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Post by witness1 on Feb 7, 2018 22:28:30 GMT -6
How can I say this so that it doesn't sound the way it's going to sound? Most are familiar with a similar line of thinking as youve laid it out. Perhaps not exactly the same but in the vain, what I think I'm looking to find is what doesn't seem to be the obvious or familiar. I do believe that if we are present to see an individual be that person (assuming it is an individual) we all say "oooooohhhhhhh now it makes sense" This is exactly what I’m thinking as well. Depending on what the “Day of the Lord” means, it sounds to me like 2 Thessalonians is saying the antichrist may be revealed before the day of our being gathered together with Him: 1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. - 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 I feel like this would be a warning to those watching that the rapture will be soon and also allow dispensationaliats and covenant guys to come together since it would be different than either of us expect and we would be forced to reconcile. If all watchmen are supposed to see eye to eye, I feel like something major will have to happen for that to be the case. I can’t see eye to eye with some charts of day counts, even as cool as they might be. But if something happens where we all say, “Oooooh. I get it now...” then that would be awesome.
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Post by kjs on Feb 8, 2018 8:11:45 GMT -6
Blessings were not the only consequences attached to the Mosaic covenant. Leviticus 26:14–39 lists curses for breaking covenant (see also Deut. 28:15–68), curses including disease, infertility, and defeat in war. Moreover, in this list of covenant curses, the curses grow in intensity the longer the people remain impenitent, faithless, and disobedient. We see that God would send certain curses on His unfaithful people to prompt the Israelites to listen to Him once more and then evaluate their response. If the Israelites would not heed Yahweh, a sevenfold punishment would follow. If, after that, the Israelites still would not listen to Him, another sevenfold punishment would follow. The curses would worsen as the people remained impenitent, culminating in the worst covenant curse of all—exile, the banishment from God’s special place of blessing. Hmmm, while it is true the "curses" from the Mosaic covenant did impact the the Jewish people (so much so that in AD70 they ceased to exist as a nation...) -- it does NOT appear Daniel 9 is discussing this particular covenant -- since it is at this time God is in the middle of restoring His People. It is amazing how much scripture I am learning these days... things I feel like I should have known all along. What you have just said about a curse being a part of the covenant is new to me, so would you check and see if I’m following you? I understand you to be saying that the Mosaic covenant involved the curse of exile, therefore Daniel 9 cannot be about this covenant because Israel will not be exiled again since God is restoring His people. Is that what you are saying? Thank you for helping me understand. I need to study the covenants... I feel like I should know there are curses involved but that’s not something I’ve ever thought about. Actually, you stated it much clearly than I did..... The way I read it is Daniel 9 "happens" when Israel is once again in it's own land again.... Remember Daniel was written when they were in exile the first time. After AD70 they went into exile again (and most assumed would never return) In 1948 they returned to the land..... Having Daniel 9 only apply when they are in the Land .... means from AD70 to 1948 -- Daniel 9 could not take place.
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Post by pault on Feb 9, 2018 15:02:33 GMT -6
Can you elaborate on what you mean by 'created in a lab'? By who? I don't want to speak for GPS here but what I believe he is referring to is modern day nephilim. LA Marzulli does some very interesting research and Bible based studies on this topic if you are intrested. I think you might be onto something here, remember Jesus said; "As it was in the days of Noah so shall it be"...... Broadly speaking the days of Noah overlapped with the time of the Nephilim. Someone else pointed out that God destroyed the Earth because of the Nephilim. Could be, in which case that will be the reason second time around, it takes a lot to make God destroy the Earth. The rise of sin plus the return of the Nephilim, plus the Antichrist burning an abomination on the newly built altar in the temple in Jerusalem. Its enough to make a holy God say enough is enough.
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Post by schooldad3 on Feb 11, 2018 23:44:25 GMT -6
I wanted to start an additional thread that dealt with people's thoughts on the antichrist. Is anyone else compelled by watching this video? There is Something Very Strange about This Man! I've heard so many theories and so many possibilities as to who or what the antichrist is. I've been told the antichrist is a system itself and/or a literal person. Can anyone provide some solid scripture that illustrates what we can expect of this guy? Does he have to be Jewish? Do you think Jared Kushner isn't persuasive enough to be the antichrist? I realize odds are we will be caught up before it becomes absolutely obvious who this guy is, but it is so bizarre to me that he is just out there right now, preparing for whatever he is meant to accomplish... There are times when I feel inspired and faithful to God and in awe of His sovereignty and ultimate victory in the end. But often times, in these last days, I feel dejected at my seeming powerlessness to wake up the people around me to the reality of God and the closeness of His coming. Can anyone else relate? Who do y'all think are strong candidates for the antichrist? And how do you think he is going to persuade the masses to believe he is god?
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Post by schooldad3 on Feb 11, 2018 23:54:59 GMT -6
With out the knowledge of the past and what exactly Paul meant when he said: "the mystery of iniquity is already at work" or what it meant when john said "He that denys that Jesus Christ (IS COME) in the flesh the same is antichrist" we are left with just groping in the dark. I have started the following video series with the express purpose of tracing the mystery of iniquity and the spirit ( doctrine )of antichrist from before the first advent all the way to the present age. Do your self a favor. Be disciplined and watch the whole thing as i put up a new video every week or two for the next month or two. Here are the first two. I am not a video pro so keep that in mind. i was quite ill on the first one and cough a lot in it. i am still learning to work the mic still even yet so bear with me. Knowledge is power. 1. www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=KPp5il8bRQk 2.
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Post by jerryh on Feb 17, 2018 9:39:50 GMT -6
I think you're looking the wrong direction with Kushner. Trump as the AC is a no brainer but Pence as the second Beast fits perfectly. He along with the Evangelical leaders have worshipped Trump with flattery telling him how great he will be as Cyrus. Most of you here would and do the same as Pence so it shouldn't be a surprise because of your belief in taking dominion. So the actual false prophecy would be that you have to get that temple built and so you took matters into your own hands kinda like the Jews did when they created that golden calf. The rest fits like how he excercisrs all the power of the first Beast.. deceptively simple but he is the Vice President and with Trump being hated as much as he is, Pence is a very powerful VP. If you doubt his worship of Trump, just read any of his speeches where he lavishes adoration. The rest of course is simple. 666 then would be the perfect man being mans number times 3 and we know who that was but if we needed more clues it said the head had that mortal wound that was healed and they were worshipping the man who had that number as God and receiving a Mark that sounds a lot like receiving Jesus.. and yes they do threaten Hell and sanctions.. check. So is there a reason we aren't looking at this? Rev is very simple once you get past the imagery. What a masterful work by the creator. I see how it all fits now.
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 1, 2018 15:38:07 GMT -6
I think you're looking the wrong direction with Kushner. Trump as the AC is a no brainer but Pence as the second Beast fits perfectly. He along with the Evangelical leaders have worshipped Trump with flattery telling him how great he will be as Cyrus. Most of you here would and do the same as Pence so it shouldn't be a surprise because of your belief in taking dominion. So the actual false prophecy would be that you have to get that temple built and so you took matters into your own hands kinda like the Jews did when they created that golden calf. The rest fits like how he excercisrs all the power of the first Beast.. deceptively simple but he is the Vice President and with Trump being hated as much as he is, Pence is a very powerful VP. If you doubt his worship of Trump, just read any of his speeches where he lavishes adoration. The rest of course is simple. 666 then would be the perfect man being mans number times 3 and we know who that was but if we needed more clues it said the head had that mortal wound that was healed and they were worshipping the man who had that number as God and receiving a Mark that sounds a lot like receiving Jesus.. and yes they do threaten Hell and sanctions.. check. So is there a reason we aren't looking at this? Rev is very simple once you get past the imagery. What a masterful work by the creator. I see how it all fits now. Hello Jerryh, Welcome to the Forum, my brother.
We can all agree that Trump has said and done some horrible things. I've read multiple reports from reputable evangelical pastors who have heard him pray to accept Christ. What ever people may think of him, he did say to the nation that Jesus Christ our Savior at Christmas time. Pence on the other hand is solidly Evangelical and is born again. He's not even Jewish, - while Kushner and all Trumps grandchildren are Jewish. The reason many Bible scholars think he is/ will be Jewish is that the Jews will be deceived and believe he is the long-awaited Messiah. They are very very strict about all the rituals and letter of the law, and that even the priests who are being trained have to be from the tribe of Levi.
The only far-out remote plausible case I could even imagine - is if a Gentile made the "Deal of the Millennium" and got the Temple to be built in Jerusalem. As J D Farag said, Jews will do almost anything to have a Temple, and he believes this includes dividing Jerusalem.
The Arabs want East Jerusalem as their capital, and the Jews want a 3rd temple at any cost. Pence was very very clear - He is a born again Christian first, a Conservative Second and thirdly a Republican. You're conflating worship of Trump and respect/admiration. Huge difference - Pence has even spoken up and disagreed with Trump. There is a much greater chance of Elvis being the AC than Pence.
Maranatha, Disciple4life.
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Post by brandon on Mar 1, 2018 19:20:33 GMT -6
Here is my 2 cents. Luke 10:18 18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. www.jimseekamp.com/obama.htmThe above posted article makes a case that this verse may specifically point us to the name of the former president. Also, let's not forget Gary's artical on Obama. www.unsealed.org/2013/01/is-obama-candidate-for-ac.html?showComment=1359521413752&m=1I certainly don't know if he is the anti-christ or just has a spirit of anti-christ, but him and the A.I. robot with the greek name of wisdom, a.k.a. Sophia, are potential candidates in my opinion. Revelations 13:18 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 2, 2018 2:51:06 GMT -6
Here is my 2 cents. Luke 10:18 18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. www.jimseekamp.com/obama.htmThe above posted article makes a case that this verse may specifically point us to the name of the former president. Also, let's not forget Gary's artical on Obama. www.unsealed.org/2013/01/is-obama-candidate-for-ac.html?showComment=1359521413752&m=1I certainly don't know if he is the anti-christ or just has a spirit of anti-christ, but him and the A.I. robot with the greek name of wisdom, a.k.a. Sophia, are potential candidates in my opinion. Revelations 13:18 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Hello brandon, I certainly agree he has the Spirit of Anti-Christ. There could be whole threads about all the ways he was the most evil President in History. As hard as it is, to NOT go down that rabbit trail - suffice it to say he was one of only 2 US senators who voted that babies who survived abortion should not be allowed to live. He filled his cabinet with muslims, and there were prayer rugs in the white house and he celebrated IAD and on and on. Three big reasons why I think he doesn't fit the bill. - One - Obama gave billions of $ US Taxpayer money to Iran - which is the world's leading sponsor of terror and the country which publicly and repeatedly says they want to totally wipe Israel off the Map. Remember Iran is a big player in the God of Magog war, along with Turkey, Russia and others. *** They just formed an alliance in December. hmmmm. - Two - Obama loathed Netanyahu, and he even used US money for a Political Action Committee in Israel to defeat Netanyahu - and Obama publicly called for Israel to return to the Pre-1967 borders, before the six-day war, in which Jerusalem was reclaimed. He is unquestionably the most anti-Israel, Pro-Muslim President in the history of the US. Even the Jews who oppose Netanyahu will admit this and remember this. It was he - who said to the world the stupid comment about "Polish Death Camps". - Three - ** Very important to remember that Saudi Arabia is Sunni, ;-) and this is why there is documented proof of an alliance between Israel and Saudi Arabia. Iran is Shiite and it has nukes and the Saudi's hate Iran. and Obama was raised Shiite, and this is why he is obsessed with helping Iran. ;-) I see him as being a very strong candidate as the leader of the UN, which is the world's leading Anti-Semitic body.
The article brandon is very compelling, - I read it all, but I think he simply left out a fourth option on purpose. The passage of Luke 10:18 is referring to Satan's fall from heaven - the great rebellion, and we can see this clearly in the context of the passage - the disciples are amazed that they have authority over demons. The next verse Jesus says "I give you power to tread on serpents and scorpions and power over all the enemy - our spiritual authority in Christ. I checked multiple versions, and most use "fell like lightning from the heavens." ESV, NASB, NIV.
This special combination of words that sound like Barack O Bama only comes through in Biblical languages. The word order is different. If anything this is a very very obscure hidden clue - not one that would even remotely be understood by tens of millions of people - who don't read Greek. ;-) Just my two cents. I think we'll be gone anyway, but I do think it's a very fascinating topic.
Maranatha, brothers and sisters
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Post by brandon on Mar 2, 2018 4:27:15 GMT -6
On the flip side, Obama is not that good looking. Lol - disqualified?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 7:46:59 GMT -6
On the flip side, Obama is not that good looking. Lol - disqualified? Nate Spencer, Larry Bland, and Donald Young would disagree with you there.
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Post by witness1 on Mar 2, 2018 7:57:53 GMT -6
Obama has always been the only one on my list because there were always good reasons to rule out the others. But now disciple4life has given some good reasons to rule out Obama too and is making the pope a stronger candidate in my mind. Who else could be worshiped by the whole world? Each political leader will have someone whom he has offended/disagrees with.
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Post by mike on Mar 2, 2018 8:44:02 GMT -6
Obama has always been the only one on my list because there were always good reasons to rule out the others. But now disciple4life has given some good reasons to rule out Obama too and is making the pope a stronger candidate in my mind. Who else could be worshiped by the whole world? Each political leader will have someone whom he has offended/disagrees with. Perhaps an Obama type could be the false prophet, leading the masses with charming influential ear tickling and the Pope or other religious leader fits the bill of the false savior, leader type.
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Post by fitz on Mar 2, 2018 8:53:02 GMT -6
I see it the other way around Mike. Remember, a "prophet" is a man of God. A priest, clergy. The AC is a ruler, a political figure.
False Prophet - Pope/religious figure AC - Political leader/ruler
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Post by mike on Mar 2, 2018 10:33:16 GMT -6
Yeah fitz , precisely why I say it the way I do. We see it that way but the unbelieving would flock to both of them (or similar, not specifically stating its either of them, though they fit the bill) like mice behind the Pied Piper. Satan corrupts and flips everything around, backwards. We would see it that way, but unbelievers....Obama is soooo crafty with his speech, he could deceive many many many, while the Pope (figure) 2 billion would follow just because of his position. Half of America would blindly follow Obama without question. How much of the rest of the world, doubtfully 2 billion. So I simply submit it that way. In no means I am dogmatic about, it just occurred to me that perhaps we (you & me) have always seen it one way but in reality the possibility is the opposite. Either way we trust neither of them but only the Word.
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