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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 20, 2017 14:14:13 GMT -6
Sawdy. I agree. Social media is not God's intended method of communication. This may be my last post if it gets shut down. I hope it does not. Oh by the way. Read your post on Psalm 121. It is beautiful thank you. Always post even if I don't. You are assisting me also. Not me and my ministry ("A what!?") on Unsealed. But in helping me prepare my heart. Thanks.
But I need to confirm what it was I saw that was shiny. What I saw shiny is the termination of the season of Pentecost count ending on December 31 from Leviticus 23;15 & 16. I never claimed there is shiny in the Psalms although when I see confirmation in Scripture I do think it shiny.
The review of the Pentecost count over and over in Leviticus 23:15 & 16 was the shiny thing that revealed itself as I tried to understand how the operation that started at the initiation of Pentecost will be terminated. It stops at the rapture. I stopped looking for another date for the rapture after I saw this. I am just like Balaam's ass. I stopped. When she saw the angels with swords she stopped short. When I saw the Leviticus count I stopped. "That's it!" I exclaimed. "I have to tell others." Then got beat for stopping. Hah! So funny.
THAT IS MY THEORY. The theory is in the first few points of my article. Page 3-18 THE END-3-2-2.pdf (334.61 KB)
AFTER THAT. Are simply confirming Scriptures and things to think about IF THE THEORY WERE TRUE. Page 19-69
What is aggravating to me is this. Without dealing with the theory, those who do not agree with the theory, because they seek a Feast of Trumpets rapture, or a Hannakah rapture, or a next year at Pentecost rapture, or something else like no rapture or whatever view of the rapture, they cannot even admit that if my theory were true, the confirming Scripture does actually confirm the theory. They just say, "I read your lousy confirming Scripture differently" or "365 is only your opinion" or something like that I am not really quoting...I have to add that sentence here. Fine. I get it. You don't think there is a theory out there SO OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NO VERSE IN THE BIBLE OR ANY OTHER BOOK IN THE WORLD that can confirm it. I get it.
However, the theory, offers some understanding of things in Scripture which alone allows one to be instructed ... on things that make a lot of sense or which have been questions for a long time...
I give you the one reason in the world that exists right now as to why Enoch was raptured at year 365.
I let you know why Elijah dealt with all those fifties.
I let you know why Abraham was 99 when Isaac was conceived and 100 when the man-child appeared.
I let you know why Obadiah hid two groups of fifties.
I let you know why Martha said "Last Day"
I showed you an analogy of what it was to bring this news to Unsealed and have it be rejected.
I showed you a reason why in this time of history, you should be preparing your heart to make a living sacrifice of New Meat.
I let you know why Psalm 99 and 100 speak of the rapture and it changes in Psalm 101 and now you also know why Psalms is 150 chapters long, it is three fifties and the rapture occurs at the end of the second fifty.
I let you know why a double blessing is yours to expect (two fifties combined) when the rapture occurs.
I let you know why we are awaiting a HARVEST at the end of the termination of Pentecost Count.
I am letting you know when the Jubilee will be fulfilled for Christians and there is a reason why the Christian Jubilee comes before the Jubilee for Israel.
I am letting you know that there is a reason why there is one day of the year more secular than any other, most unlikely to be the day upon which God could act, and therefore, because Jesus said His return would be unexpected, one of the most likely days to consider...if there is other evidence to support the conclusion...and there is...in spades.
I could go on but it would require me to review this whole thing. Those were the ideas from the top of my mind.
Please, upon rejecting the theory, just tell me your idea as to why the Pentecost count in Leviticus 23 is worded the way it is. Never an answer there yet. So, since you all have shown that the theory is at least a "possibility" (laughing still that one reason it was a possibility from a scholar here was that it was possible on a law of averages that one of the days in all the days of the year could be the one when the rapture occurred and yes based on that, 365 marbles in a bowl, when one is picked, it could be the last day of the year...wow) I will continue to exult in this count until it is proven incorrect. Why? Because it is right there in Scripture and it makes sense.
Will I go crazy with despondency if it does not work out? NO! I am an adult not a child. I know how to deal with this. Watchers should. We have done this before. I will heft up my biblical pants like a big boy and say, "Wow there was a lot of confirmation for that and nothing happened! I am surprised but Lord, I know the day of the rapture is somewhere in Scripture because of Amos 3:7 and Lord, you gave me a lot of confirmation for December 31, 2017, so much more than what I had had in confirmations for 9/28/2015 (in support of which I prepared a three page article for the fact that 49x360 days from Israel regaining Jerusalem ended on that date and there were a few other confirmations). If there is a later date He will show us with EVEN MORE CONFIRMATIONS than what we have now. There are so many more confirmations more than before. Not a 3 page article but a 74 page article that is apparently too daunting to read. So here is what I will do after the first of the year. I will start looking for another reason to count a different number probably from the sign. Maybe 120, maybe 144, maybe as suggested 365, however, I will continue to search out from God, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE REVELATION 12 SIGN? I will go back to Scripture but I really like what I see now. Sorry that you can't see it.
If you object to one of my confirming Scriptures just say I DON'T BELIEVE THE THEORY. Therefore it is not necessary for such a one to even look at the confirming Scriptures. Deal with the theory and not the confirming Scriptures first. If you don't believe in the theory as a possibility, there is no way the confirming Scriptures will confirm anything. I don't want to defend the confirming Scriptures to someone who does not believe the theory. What a colossal waste of time. If someone does not believe the theory they will NOT SEE ANYTHING in what I see as the confirming Scriptures. When someone does not address the theory, AND without understanding or believing in the theory, then indicates that the confirming Scriptures can indicate other things I say "Great Job!". Then I ask, OK, what do you think God wanted to tell us with the Revelation 12 Sign? Do you have an answer? I have not found another on Unsealed. Have you? Please inform me. I have an answer and people do not like having an answer. It is the best one we've got right now. That is why there are almost as many views in the last three weeks than the Hello thread has from the beginning of 2016. People are interested. Maybe some even think something has been unsealed. Wouldn't that be something.
Listen up Saints. I came to a website filled with people who were discouraged and confused. I was not and still am not discouraged or confused. People here are still discouraged and confused. My joy, and my off center personality, just grates on those here I think. I still think I came here as an answer to someone's prayer. Hah! maybe it was that member who was "removed." Cognitive dissonance requires people here to tell me that I have no reason to be encouraged and it is unbecoming of me to be sure of myself. I am not like them so I must be crazy, wrong, misguided, and not listening to the Lord. And worse, when like an adult I tell them to stop being confused discouraged children, and look, do your own Bible study if you are mature enough, they go all millennial on me. I can deal with it. I am fine. How are you all? I am being greatly comforted by the Psalms right now as I prepare my heart to be able to make a New Meat offering to the Lord. Step in the beam and join me.
I wish there were people on this site that knew me. I feel like Nixon right now, "I am not a creep!" (hands now making the V sign)
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine.
This could be my swan song from Unsealed. If so ... glad to have been able to minister. And again. Thanks sawdy. This is actually I think "take five" not "take two." Hah. I am old I don't learn. Blessings. I mean it.
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Post by cwood85 on Dec 20, 2017 16:52:57 GMT -6
Yes I am an ass. And I feel like asking what Baalam's ass asked. I saw something shiny in Scripture. Dennis I don't think you are truly an ass. And the one from Baalam was being abused and very mistreated when God spoke through it... I am going to expound on the analogy yardstick gave regarding trying to understand the math problem in math class by giving another example from a math class. It will involve Teacher A and Teacher B. ***Teacher A*** First day of math class. The Teacher hands out to the students a 74 page workbook for the first semester. He proceeds to sit down after handing out the workbook and announces to the class that they have all semester to study and learn what is in the workbook and there will be an exam at the end of the semester. He flies through the notes everyday in class and becomes defensive and irritated when the children ask him questions regarding the workbook and notes or just refers them back to the workbook because everything they need to know is in that book. The children quickly learn to not ask questions and try their best to understand what is being taught. Some are lucky enough to have parents at home who help with the class, but many do not. When some come to the Teacher and say they do not understand or ask questions, he simply refers them back to the workbook. Exam day comes and 85% of the class fails. The Teacher is flabbergasted because everything they need to learn is in the book! The students are frustrated, because the teacher is not being a teacher and never taught them anything, he was just an information provider... ***Teacher B*** Teacher B is also a math teacher and hands out a workbook to the class. The same one as Teacher A. He explains that each day for this semester, they will spend part of the class taking notes and studying the workbook a few pages at a time and the second part of class will be for working on some of the problems from the book together and time for questions. Each day the teacher answers any questions the students may have and offers additional time after school for anyone who may be struggling with the studies a couple days a week. He understands not everyone learns at the same pace and some people need additional information or a little different approach. At the end of the semester, 85% of the class passed the exam. Scenario C**** Wife has been home all day, cooking, cleaning, tending to their children and at the end of the day is tired. The kids have been a handful all day. Husband comes home and ask the wife "so what did you do all day?" The wife tired and a bit defensive, says "WHAT DID IIIII DOOOO ALL DAY?!?!" Assuming her husband thinks she just sat around and played with the kids all day... The husband was not expecting her reaction, says "well I just wanted to know what you did today that's all. I haven't talked to you all day and I am wondering how your day has been?" Hope that clears things up and makes sense. I think YS is owed an apology. |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 20, 2017 19:31:05 GMT -6
Yes I am an ass. And I feel like asking what Baalam's ass asked. I saw something shiny in Scripture. Dennis I don't think you are truly an ass. And the one from Baalam was being abused and very mistreated when God spoke through it... I am going to expound on the analogy yardstick gave regarding trying to understand the math problem in math class by giving another example from a math class. It will involve Teacher A and Teacher B. ***Teacher A*** First day of math class. The Teacher hands out to the students a 74 page workbook for the first semester. He proceeds to sit down after handing out the workbook and announces to the class that they have all semester to study and learn what is in the workbook and there will be an exam at the end of the semester. He flies through the notes everyday in class and becomes defensive and irritated when the children ask him questions regarding the workbook and notes or just refers them back to the workbook because everything they need to know is in that book. The children quickly learn to not ask questions and try their best to understand what is being taught. Some are lucky enough to have parents at home who help with the class, but many do not. When some come to the Teacher and say they do not understand or ask questions, he simply refers them back to the workbook. Exam day comes and 85% of the class fails. The Teacher is flabbergasted because everything they need to learn is in the book! The students are frustrated, because the teacher is not being a teacher and never taught them anything, he was just an information provider... ***Teacher B*** Teacher B is also a math teacher and hands out a workbook to the class. The same one as Teacher A. He explains that each day for this semester, they will spend part of the class taking notes and studying the workbook a few pages at a time and the second part of class will be for working on some of the problems from the book together and time for questions. Each day the teacher answers any questions the students may have and offers additional time after school for anyone who may be struggling with the studies a couple days a week. He understands not everyone learns at the same pace and some people need additional information or a little different approach. At the end of the semester, 85% of the class passed the exam. Scenario C**** Wife has been home all day, cooking, cleaning, tending to their children and at the end of the day is tired. The kids have been a handful all day. Husband comes home and ask the wife "so what did you do all day?" The wife tired and a bit defensive, says "WHAT DID IIIII DOOOO ALL DAY?!?!" Assuming her husband thinks she just sat around and played with the kids all day... The husband was not expecting her reaction, says "well I just wanted to know what you did today that's all. I haven't talked to you all day and I am wondering how your day has been?" Hope that clears things up and makes sense. I think YS is owed an apology. cwood85...were you ever a little miffed or mad or frustrated that the old testament, even in small print, was usually over 1,000 pages long? two letter answer or three letter answer is all I want. Just truth. |
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Post by cwood85 on Dec 20, 2017 23:07:32 GMT -6
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Post by boraddict on Dec 21, 2017 0:14:40 GMT -6
Dennis I don't think you are truly an ass. And the one from Baalam was being abused and very mistreated when God spoke through it... I am going to expound on the analogy yardstick gave regarding trying to understand the math problem in math class by giving another example from a math class. It will involve Teacher A and Teacher B. ***Teacher A*** First day of math class. The Teacher hands out to the students a 74 page workbook for the first semester. He proceeds to sit down after handing out the workbook and announces to the class that they have all semester to study and learn what is in the workbook and there will be an exam at the end of the semester. He flies through the notes everyday in class and becomes defensive and irritated when the children ask him questions regarding the workbook and notes or just refers them back to the workbook because everything they need to know is in that book. The children quickly learn to not ask questions and try their best to understand what is being taught. Some are lucky enough to have parents at home who help with the class, but many do not. When some come to the Teacher and say they do not understand or ask questions, he simply refers them back to the workbook. Exam day comes and 85% of the class fails. The Teacher is flabbergasted because everything they need to learn is in the book! The students are frustrated, because the teacher is not being a teacher and never taught them anything, he was just an information provider... ***Teacher B*** Teacher B is also a math teacher and hands out a workbook to the class. The same one as Teacher A. He explains that each day for this semester, they will spend part of the class taking notes and studying the workbook a few pages at a time and the second part of class will be for working on some of the problems from the book together and time for questions. Each day the teacher answers any questions the students may have and offers additional time after school for anyone who may be struggling with the studies a couple days a week. He understands not everyone learns at the same pace and some people need additional information or a little different approach. At the end of the semester, 85% of the class passed the exam. Scenario C**** Wife has been home all day, cooking, cleaning, tending to their children and at the end of the day is tired. The kids have been a handful all day. Husband comes home and ask the wife "so what did you do all day?" The wife tired and a bit defensive, says "WHAT DID IIIII DOOOO ALL DAY?!?!" Assuming her husband thinks she just sat around and played with the kids all day... The husband was not expecting her reaction, says "well I just wanted to know what you did today that's all. I haven't talked to you all day and I am wondering how your day has been?" Hope that clears things up and makes sense. I think YS is owed an apology. cwood85...were you ever a little miffed or mad or frustrated that the old testament, even in small print, was usually over 1,000 pages long? two letter answer or three letter answer is all I want. Just truth. Okay, I'll bite. Why would anyone be a little miffed or mad that the Old Testament was 1,000 pages long? I have never thought about it. I never read most of it. Perhaps a little here or there but primarily I stay in Isaiah and Daniel. Other than that I roam the gospels and live in Revelation. So why would anyone care about the length of the Old Testament. So my answer is "no." I can not presume to answer for cw so just go with my "no." |
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Post by yardstick on Dec 21, 2017 0:56:14 GMT -6
cwood85...were you ever a little miffed or mad or frustrated that the old testament, even in small print, was usually over 1,000 pages long? two letter answer or three letter answer is all I want. Just truth. Okay, I'll bite. Why would anyone be a little miffed or mad that the Old Testament was 1,000 pages long? I have never thought about it. I never read most of it. Perhaps a little here or there but primarily I stay in Isaiah and Daniel. Other than that I roam the gospels and live in Revelation. So why would anyone care about the length of the Old Testament. So my answer is "no." I can not presume to answer for cw so just go with my "no." So you haven't seen Psalm 2 then? Cuz I noticed the other day when I ran across it, that it could be describing a conspiracy to war with the kingdom on earth that Jesus is ruling during the millennium. Verses 3, 6, 8, 9, and 12 appear to be very indicative of the millennial reign of Christ. What do you think? |
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Post by disciple4life on Dec 21, 2017 5:50:49 GMT -6
What I saw shiny is the termination of the season of Pentecost count ending on December 31 from Leviticus 23;15 & 16. I never claimed there is shiny in the Psalms although when I see confirmation in Scripture I do think it shiny.
The review of the Pentecost count over and over in Leviticus 23:15 & 16 was the shiny thing that revealed itself as I tried to understand how the operation that started at the initiation of Pentecost will be terminated. It stops at the rapture. I stopped looking for another date for the rapture after I saw this. I am just like Balaam's ass. I stopped. When she saw the angels with swords she stopped short. When I saw the Leviticus count I stopped. "That's it!" I exclaimed. "I have to tell others." Then got beat for stopping. Hah! So funny.
THAT IS MY THEORY. The theory is in the first few points of my article. Page 3-18
AFTER THAT. Are simply confirming Scriptures and things to think about IF THE THEORY WERE TRUE. Page 19-69
What is aggravating to me is this. Without dealing with the theory, those who do not agree with the theory, because they seek a Feast of Trumpets rapture, or a Hannakah rapture, or a next year at Pentecost rapture, or something else like no rapture or whatever view of the rapture, they cannot even admit that if my theory were true, the confirming Scripture does actually confirm the theory. They just say, "I read your lousy confirming Scripture differently" or "365 is only your opinion" or something like that I am not really quoting...I have to add that sentence here. Fine. I get it. You don't think there is a theory out there SO OBVIOUSLY THERE IS NO VERSE IN THE BIBLE OR ANY OTHER BOOK IN THE WORLD that can confirm it. I get it.
However, the theory, offers some understanding of things in Scripture which alone allows one to be instructed ... on things that make a lot of sense or which have been questions for a long time...
I give you the one reason in the world that exists right now as to why Enoch was raptured at year 365.
I let you know why Elijah dealt with all those fifties.
I let you know why Abraham was 99 when Isaac was conceived and 100 when the man-child appeared.
I let you know why Obadiah hid two groups of fifties.
I let you know why Martha said "Last Day"
I showed you an analogy of what it was to bring this news to Unsealed and have it be rejected.
I showed you a reason why in this time of history, you should be preparing your heart to make a living sacrifice of New Meat.
I let you know why Psalm 99 and 100 speak of the rapture and it changes in Psalm 101 and now you also know why Psalms is 150 chapters long, it is three fifties and the rapture occurs at the end of the second fifty.
I let you know why a double blessing is yours to expect (two fifties combined) when the rapture occurs.
I let you know why we are awaiting a HARVEST at the end of the termination of Pentecost Count.
I am letting you know when the Jubilee will be fulfilled for Christians and there is a reason why the Christian Jubilee comes before the Jubilee for Israel.
I am letting you know that there is a reason why there is one day of the year more secular than any other, most unlikely to be the day upon which God could act, and therefore, because Jesus said His return would be unexpected, one of the most likely days to consider...if there is other evidence to support the conclusion...and there is...in spades.
Please, upon rejecting the theory, just tell me your idea as to why the Pentecost count in Leviticus 23 is worded the way it is. Never an answer there yet. So, since you all have shown that the theory is at least a "possibility" (laughing still that one reason it was a possibility from a scholar here was that it was possible on a law of averages that one of the days in all the days of the year could be the one when the rapture occurred and yes based on that, 365 marbles in a bowl, when one is picked, it could be the last day of the year...wow) I will continue to exult in this count until it is proven incorrect. Why? Because it is right there in Scripture and it makes sense.
"Wow there was a lot of confirmation for that and nothing happened! I am surprised but Lord, I know the day of the rapture is somewhere in Scripture because of Amos 3:7 and Lord, you gave me a lot of confirmation for December 31, 2017, so much more than what I had had in confirmations for 9/28/2015 (in support of which I prepared a three page article for the fact that 49x360 days from Israel regaining Jerusalem ended on that date and there were a few other confirmations). Not a 3 page article but a 74 page article that is apparently too daunting to read. So here is what I will do after the first of the year. I will start looking for another reason to count a different number probably from the sign. Maybe 120, maybe 144, maybe as suggested 365, however, I will continue to search out from God, WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE REVELATION 12 SIGN? I will go back to Scripture but I really like what I see now. Sorry that you can't see it.
If you object to one of my confirming Scriptures just say I DON'T BELIEVE THE THEORY. Therefore it is not necessary for such a one to even look at the confirming Scriptures. Deal with the theory and not the confirming Scriptures first. If you don't believe in the theory as a possibility, there is no way the confirming Scriptures will confirm anything. I don't want to defend the confirming Scriptures to someone who does not believe the theory. What a colossal waste of time. If someone does not believe the theory they will NOT SEE ANYTHING in what I see as the confirming Scriptures. When someone does not address the theory, AND without understanding or believing in the theory, then indicates that the confirming Scriptures can indicate other things I say "Great Job!". Then I ask, OK, what do you think God wanted to tell us with the Revelation 12 Sign? Do you have an answer? I have not found another on Unsealed. Have you? Please inform me. I have an answer and people do not like having an answer. It is the best one we've got right now. That is why there are almost as many views in the last three weeks than the Hello thread has from the beginning of 2016. People are interested. Maybe some even think something has been unsealed. Wouldn't that be something.
Listen up Saints. I came to a website filled with people who were discouraged and confused. I was not and still am not discouraged or confused. People here are still discouraged and confused. My joy, and my off center personality, just grates on those here I think. I still think I came here as an answer to someone's prayer. Hah! maybe it was that member who was "removed." Cognitive dissonance requires people here to tell me that I have no reason to be encouraged and it is unbecoming of me to be sure of myself. I am not like them so I must be crazy, wrong, misguided, and not listening to the Lord. And worse, when like an adult I tell them to stop being confused discouraged children, and look, do your own Bible study if you are mature enough, they go all millennial on me. I can deal with it. I am fine. How are you all? I am being greatly comforted by the Psalms right now as I prepare my heart to be able to make a New Meat offering to the Lord. Step in the beam and join me.
I wish there were people on this site that knew me. I feel like Nixon right now, "I am not a creep!" (hands now making the V sign)
Blessings Saints. Soon we rise and shine.
This could be my swan song from Unsealed. If so ... glad to have been able to minister. And again. Thanks sawdy. This is actually I think "take five" not "take two." Hah. I am old I don't learn. Blessings. I mean it.Dennis, I want to start with 2 disclaimers -- 1. ***I hope and pray that we see the Rapture on the 31st, and when the 2nd and 3rd and 10th of Jan comes, I won't be here saying "I told you so." I don't think that would be Christlike. 2. ***I am 100% fine with guessing and speculation and trying to connect dots and seek to understand the signs of the times we are in, and I believe we are seeing labor pains. There is almost universal consensus among Christians [and even Non-Christian Jews] that we are seeing prophecy fulfilled before our eyes (Specifically the alliance of Iran, Russia and Turkey, and Trump's official declaration of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. With that said, there is a huge difference between speculation and conjecture and "confirmations from scripture". When the starting premise is flawed, then it affects the outcome. In my humble opinion - I don't see anything in in Amos that says that God will reveal the date of the rapture - Not to OT Prophets or to anyone. Amos 3:7 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
7 "Surely the Lord God does nothing
Unless He reveals His secret counsel To His servants the prophets." To read into this that he will give special revelation to someone the exact day of the rapture is Eisegesis - which we should avoid.
I don't pretend to speak for any of the moderators or any other members. I and others have raised multiple questions as to your conclusions, and your method of interpretation, - It has been met with sarcasm and condescension.  - Just because there are multiple passages with the same numbers doesn't mean they are even related.
- It's OK to speculate and have opinions - but if we follow basic principles of Biblical interpretation, There is nothing anywhere that says we should/need to count 50 or 60 or 12 or 40 or any number from some future event to get the rapture date. Imho - this is one of the biggest errors in the starting theory.
- Pentecost is a Spring Feast.
It occurs in May or sometimes June. - Just because there is a passage about the number of days of purification -doesn't mean that we should use this as a proof or 'Model' to count from any point.
- If we follow basic hermeneutics - there is nothing in Psalms 99 or Psalms 100 that mentions harpazo, a resurrection, or anyone being caught up by force, nor is there any mention whatsoever of Trumpets, or a wedding, or dead in Christ rising.
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- To assume that Martha meant the last day of the year is not supported by the text, nor basic Hermeneutics.
- Even if anyone could prove that she meant the last day of the year, the last day of the Hebrew year is not in December. It falls just before Yom Teruah/ Rosh Hoshanah. Civil calendar.
- The Gregorian calendar did not even exist. It was established by Pope Gregory in the middle ages.
- The notion that December 31 is the most secular day is not based on anything from scripture or even secular sources. October 31 Halloween is known around the world as being a Satanic holiday, and is rooted in the occult. Also, even December 25th was the holiday of the Sun God.
I think saying that "people who post on this thread, are going to school to get learnin" and those who don't agree with you are "looking for something not in the Bible," and the sarcastic laughter is not encouraging, nor is it a good witness, if your goal is to encourage.
It's fine to disagree, and I've disagreed with others and moderators, but the real issue is how we do this. This website and forum, is not "filled with people who are discouraged and confused". We are commanded to test everything, and we do that by/through scripture - not taking the word of someone who claims 'special revelation.' - Just because people raise questions doesn't make them confused or discouraged, nor does it mean we aren't watching, or open to learn new things. In fact, it is how we sharpen each other.
I've been a part of this forum for months, and dearly love my brothers and sisters and have found it a place of mutual comfort and encouragement.  Not at all what you describe.
As I've said before, on January 2, and 10th, I'll be here, but i won't be saying - "I told you so." I'll still be sharing the pieces i have and looking at the news, the skies and scripture, and gleaning all i can from others. It is only when we join our piece with someone else' that the picture is complete.
We have to live with the reality that some things are just not revealed, nor will they ever be, until we are in Heaven, and it just might be that this includes the date of the rapture.
Happy Hannukah, and Maranatha. Disciple4life.
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Post by mike on Dec 21, 2017 7:18:34 GMT -6
Dennis,
You came to a website and started spouting off an unproven theory, made many judgements on people you didnt take time to meet and get to know. Your agenda was to spread your theory, which holds very little water. In fact it is no more valid than imminency. You couldnt be more wrong about your assessment of this site. It is not and was not filled with people discouraged and confused. Was there confusion and discouragement for some (perhaps many)? Yes. Many who saw the Great Sign of 9/23 as the actual rapture date had valid reason to believe it was the date, however there were many who had hope in the date. As the date approached many continued to point out that it may not be the actual date of the catching up, but a sign pointing to things to come. While there were some who were either discouraged or confused, many of us who still post here at the site remain. Many and several of us did so and continue to do so to encourage those and each other to continue to follow HIM. Our hope is not in a date, it is in HIM, our (yours, mine & others) Lord the author and finisher of our faith. We are on a journey together! Offering pieces of ourselves as the Lord has given us through our experiences, over time. Whether it be teaching, exhorting, prophesy, mathematicians, hermanuetics or otherwise we serve one another.
Your off center personality is noticeable, but yet it is not that I have issue with, it is your judgemental comments towards anyone who dissents against your theory. To that point you sir are not acting like an adult. No one here has treated you in any manner other than love and respect for your thoughts and opinions, yet you condescend to challenge those to be mature enough to study on their own! Sorry do you have some supernatural insight or perhaps CCTV in peoples homes to know what they do or how they study before the Lord? You sir are out of place and it needs to stop! This is the final warning!
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Post by boraddict on Dec 21, 2017 7:45:21 GMT -6
Okay, I'll bite. Why would anyone be a little miffed or mad that the Old Testament was 1,000 pages long? I have never thought about it. I never read most of it. Perhaps a little here or there but primarily I stay in Isaiah and Daniel. Other than that I roam the gospels and live in Revelation. So why would anyone care about the length of the Old Testament. So my answer is "no." I can not presume to answer for cw so just go with my "no." So you haven't seen Psalm 2 then? Cuz I noticed the other day when I ran across it, that it could be describing a conspiracy to war with the kingdom on earth that Jesus is ruling during the millennium. Verses 3, 6, 8, 9, and 12 appear to be very indicative of the millennial reign of Christ. What do you think? Yardstick you are right. I clearly see a conspiracy in that psalm. However, I would say it was within the first 3.5 years of the Savior's millennial reign. That 3.5 being the second half of the seven years of Tribulation. |
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Post by krnboitae on Dec 21, 2017 11:14:37 GMT -6
1. God told Abram and Sarah, you are going to have a baby... they laughed.
2. When Noah was building the ark... people laughed.
3. Peter walking on water and fell in the water... when he doubted.
It is very natural for us not to believe in miracles. Especially when some people say that they know the rapture date for sure.
I dont want to be like Abraham, Sarah, people who died in flood, or Peter. God showed me and I am going to believe it to the fullest. I would love to be called "you of big faith" by Jesus
Its OK to not believe in me or Mr.Watson as long as you are saved!
I know it is hard to believe people after all the date settings have been wrong. I had big letdowns too before searching out by myself. If you really want to know the date, just ask God, and he will answer you! under 1 condition though, surrender your life to God. I did that and God showed me.
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Post by disciple4life on Dec 21, 2017 12:10:40 GMT -6
1. God told Abram and Sarah, you are going to have a baby... they laughed. 2. When Noah was building the ark... people laughed. 3. Peter walking on water and fell in the water... when he doubted. It is very natural for us not to believe in miracles. Especially when some people say that they know the rapture date for sure. I dont want to be like Abraham, Sarah, people who died in flood, or Peter. God showed me and I am going to believe it to the fullest. Its OK to not believe in me or Mr.Watson as long as you are saved! If you really want to know the date, just ask God and he will answer you! under 1 condition though, surrender your life to God. I did that and God showed me. Krnboitae,
The problem is that YouTube and history is full of people who said the exact same thing and there have been multiple ones on here too. ;-) You can even see some of the locked threads. I think you wrote, or another member, my brother that you are a new/ young believer. I'm not sure who told you that anyone can just ask God and he will tell you the date of the rapture, but it's false. God gave us the Bible - His word, and this same scripture tells us to test - weigh things. The cannon is closed.
Did you sell your house and your car and quit your job?? I hope not. The thing is that on this forum alone, there are scores and scores of people who have been walking with God and studying his word for decades. I'm a first-grader compared to so many of these watchmen Jedis. Did you ever wonder why God didn't reveal it to them? To someone like barbiosheepgirl, or mike or whatif, or @natalie, or @silentknight or any others??
We have lots of clues from scripture that the time is very close, and there is evidence to suggest that there will be a warning. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5:3-5 that for those watching - "Children of the day- Christians, 'that day' will not surprise you like a thief." - We have seen prophecy literally be fulfilled before our eyes in the last month, and there was the Great Solar eclipse and this is the 70th anniversary of Israel becoming a nation. - a huge prophecy. - What ever it means or meant - the Revelation 12 sign happened. At least v 1 and 2. -Many people around the world, and even Jews can see huge events related to Israel have happened on Blood Moon tetrads and 50 year cycles. Hmmm.
So what then on the 2nd of January and the 3rd, 30th ?? Will you then say that God still told you the date was Dec 31st? Of course, if so - then you see the huge issue there is that God isn't reliable. This is clearly not the case. ;-)
So then the second option, is for people to acknowledge that they thought it was God, - they misinterpreted a sign or a scripture, or maybe it was just bad pizza. The things that God really wanted his people to know, He has made clear in his word, my brother.  The Apostle Paul said that now "we see through a glass dimly" We only have part of the puzzle - "We know in part, and we prophesy in part" but one day, when we are face to face with Christ, we will know fully.
I believe with all my mind, soul and spirit that this is the last Christmas, and that Christ's words in Matt was directly referring to Israel becoming a nation. All the players for the Ezekiel 38, 39 war are in place. We have the technology for the mark of the beast, and all of the tools and instruments for sacrifices are here, and they even have the priests from the line of Levi and the pure-bred red heifer. We are on the very cusp of seeing the nations divide Jerusalem -- It's a great time to be alive and watching for our king.
Even so, Lord Jesus Come.
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 21, 2017 12:11:53 GMT -6
Hmmm. A new theory about 50s? Here is something from the 1700's or so that I find interesting.
"That fifty signifies what is full, comes from its following next after the product of seven into seven, or forty-nine, so that it is the impletion of this number, on which account there was in the Representative Church the festival of the Seven Sabbaths on the fiftieth day, and the Jubilee in the fiftieth year. As regards the festival of the seven sabbaths we read in Moses:--
Ye shall count unto you from the morrow of the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave-offering, seven entire sabbaths shall there be, even unto the morrow of the seventh sabbath shall ye count fifty days, and ye shall offer a new offering unto Jehovah (Lev. 23:15).
And concerning the Jubilee:--
Thou shalt count for thee seven sabbaths of years, seven years seven times, and they shall be to thee seven sabbaths of years, nine and forty years, and ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty in the land to all the inhabitants thereof it shall be a jubilee unto you (Lev. 25:8, 10),
which shows that the fiftieth is what is full in relation to sabbaths.
[4] Moreover, wherever fifty is mentioned in the Word, it signifies what is full; as when it is said that The Levites were numbered from a son of thirty years and upward, even unto a son of fifty years (Num. 4:23, 35, 39, 43, 47; 8:25); meaning the full or final state of discharging the ministry. That a man lying with a damsel, a virgin, shall give unto the damsel's father fifty pieces of silver, and she should be to him for a wife, nor could be put her away (Deut. 22:29), which denotes a full fine and full restitution. David's giving to Araunah for the threshing-floor where he built the altar to Jehovah, fifty shekels of silver (2 Sam. 24:24), denotes a full price and a full purchase. Absalom's preparing for himself a chariot and horses, and having fifty men running before him (2 Sam. 15:1), and in like manner Adonijah's having chariots and horsemen, and fifty men running before him (1 Kings 1:5), denotes full excellence and greatness. For they had from the ancients certain representative and significative numbers, which they observed, and which were also commanded in their rites; but most of them did not know what they signified.
[5] And in the same way, as fifty signifies what is full, and as this number was also representatives--already said--the same thing is signified by it in the Lord's parable of the steward, who said to him that owed the oil:--
How much owest thou unto my lord? and he said, a hundred baths of oil. And he said unto him, take thy bond, and sit down quickly, and write fifty (Luke 16:6);
fifty denoting full payment. As fifty is a number, it indeed appears to involve nothing beyond the number; whereas in the internal sense what is full is everywhere meant by it, as in Haggai:--
One came to the wine-press to draw out fifty out of the wine-press; there were twenty (Haggai 2:16),
that is, instead of fullness there was not much. Fifty could not have been mentioned here in the Prophet unless it had been significative.
from AC 2252
Back to Words index, Back to Number words index
Author: E. Swedenborg (1688-1772).
Note: I found it funny interesting (I just read posts where no laughter is allowed here) in the article where I found this, all the 50s were in RED. Hah! It did not copy that way. Blessings.
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 21, 2017 12:28:15 GMT -6
I am not going respond and respond and respond to you upset moderators. Yes this place was discouraged when I came. That is not a lie and I was told that by numerous moderators so that I would understand when I came here initially. I am not going to go back and find those statements. I will not turn this thread into a reality episode of "Bible Studies of Orange County." Deal with the Word please! As you tell me your ideas about Scripture I see you do not engage Scripture the same way I do. So I will just post what blesses me. We apparently will not be in one accord until after the rapture. I wanted to work on that. It is impossible in Churches. It is impossible here. Shut the thread down if you want. However, I will continue, with joy, to work on this foolhardy theory. So wish you had something joyful to express to me and members and guests rather than your constant correction of my unrighteous personality and your constant harping on the uselessness of the verses that God allowed me to see were confirmations of the idea. Let's stop looking at people and look at the Word. Blessings.
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Post by krnboitae on Dec 21, 2017 12:29:06 GMT -6
1. God told Abram and Sarah, you are going to have a baby... they laughed. 2. When Noah was building the ark... people laughed. 3. Peter walking on water and fell in the water... when he doubted. It is very natural for us not to believe in miracles. Especially when some people say that they know the rapture date for sure. I dont want to be like Abraham, Sarah, people who died in flood, or Peter. God showed me and I am going to believe it to the fullest. Its OK to not believe in me or Mr.Watson as long as you are saved! If you really want to know the date, just ask God and he will answer you! under 1 condition though, surrender your life to God. I did that and God showed me. Krnboitae,
The problem is that YouTube and history is full of people who said the exact same thing and there have been multiple ones on here too. ;-) You can even see some of the locked threads. I think you wrote, or another member, my brother that you are a new/ young believer. I'm not sure who told you that anyone can just ask God and he will tell you the date of the rapture, but it's false. God gave us the Bible - His word, and this same scripture tells us to test - weigh things. The cannon is closed.
Did you sell your house and your car and quit your job?? I hope not. The thing is that on this forum alone, there are scores and scores of people who have been walking with God and studying his word for decades. I'm a first-grader compared to so many of these watchmen Jedis. Did you ever wonder why God didn't reveal it to them? To someone like barbiosheepgirl, or mike or whatif, or @natalie, or @silentknight or any others??
We have lots of clues from scripture that the time is very close, and there is evidence to suggest that there will be a warning. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5:3-5 that for those watching - "Children of the day- Christians, 'that day' will not surprise you like a thief." - We have seen prophecy literally be fulfilled before our eyes in the last month, and there was the Great Solar eclipse and this is the 70th anniversary of Israel becoming a nation. - a huge prophecy. - What ever it means or meant - the Revelation 12 sign happened. At least v 1 and 2. -Many people around the world, and even Jews can see huge events related to Israel have happened on Blood Moon tetrads and 50 year cycles. Hmmm.
So what then on the 2nd of January and the 3rd, 30th ?? Will you then say that God still told you the date was Dec 31st? Of course, if so - then you see the huge issue there is that God isn't reliable. This is clearly not the case. ;-)
So then the second option, is for people to acknowledge that they thought it was God, - they misinterpreted a sign or a scripture, or maybe it was just bad pizza. The things that God really wanted his people to know, He has made clear in his word, my brother. The Apostle Paul said that now "we see through a glass dimly" We only have part of the puzzle - "We know in part, and we prophesy in part" but one day, when we are face to face with Christ, we will know fully.
I believe with all my mind, soul and spirit that this is the last Christmas, and that Christ's words in Matt was directly referring to Israel becoming a nation. All the players for the Ezekiel 38, 39 war are in place. We have the technology for the mark of the beast, and all of the tools and instruments for sacrifices are here, and they even have the priests from the line of Levi and the pure-bred red heifer. We are on the very cusp of seeing the nations divide Jerusalem -- It's a great time to be alive and watching for our king.
Even so, Lord Jesus Come.
Hi Brother... Of course, God cannot show you if you dont search out. I think 11th hour parable could be applied to me? Yes I surrendered my life to him recently!!! But I went to church since when I was very young though. I was up and down in my spiritual life. Almost became unsaved. I am sure Jewish rabbis probably studied more about God in Old Testament/Torah/ETC than any of us here. Do they really know God (Jesus) better/more than us? Studying scripture long time doesnt mean anything if they are blinded. I am not going to doubt God! |
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Post by dennislwatson on Dec 21, 2017 16:19:36 GMT -6
Another in a long line of interesting articles...This I just found at hopetotheend.com/Enoch.html
Some Points to Ponder
Why was Enoch 365 years old when he was raptured ?
We have all read the account of Enoch in Genesis 5: 21--24, and we are all aware that Enoch was raptured when he was 365 years old.
If you are like me, that "365" rang a clear bell. That's the number of a solar calendar year, and such an Obvious number, with no other particular significance than a Christian era year.
Matthew Henry calls it " a year of years".
Actually, "365" is never again mentioned in the Bible.
Possible meanings:
That Enoch represents the Gentiles ( Goyem, Jude 15 ) while Elijah represents the Jewish people and nation, Malachi 4:5,6.
Remote meaning: The 365th day of the year represents our New Years Eve, a time of drunkenness when the world could easily be caught unawares.
Rather than pinpoint that specific day, it would be best to see it as a conclusion to a specific time, like the end of the Church Age.
Why interpret "365" that way ? Well, for several reasons. The main one being that all the whole global wide world stares at the clock seeking "Midnight" in great expectation, on that last day of the Gentile year. Some are looking for another drink to oblivion. Some are making great plans for the coming year. And then there are those of us who are looking for our Bridegroom to come and take us away at Midnight, just like He said in Matthew 25: 6 + 10.
There are other significant “midnights” in the year. At Passover, the death angel came at midnight for those not covered under the protecting blood
( of Jesus Christ ).
Another reason for that interpretation is the fact that our Lord said He would come at an hour we think not.
( Matthew 24: 44 and Luke 12: 40 ). Most of the Body of Christ have been looking toward a Religious holiday for our Lord's coming at the Rapture. Rarely has one ventured to suppose He would come on such a secular day .. a global drinking day.
But the Scriptures do give some indication that the rapture would be during a time of drunkenness.
1 Thessalonians is the Book referring to the Rapture. And in 1 Thessalonians 5:7 it says:
" They that be drunken are drunken in the night" and also in 1 Thessalonians 5:6 it says :
" Therefore let us not sleep as do others; but let us watch and be sober."
When Enoch was raptured at 365 years of age, he was taken in the midst of his years. All the other patriarchs lived at least ( if not more ) than twice his age. So Enoch was taken in the prime of his years, when he was a very young man. The prophet Isaiah tells us that in the Lord's Millenium a person who is 100 years old would be considered " a child "
( Isaiah 65: 20 ) . The ages of the people during the millennium are similar to the ages of the Patriarchs in their time.
So Enoch's "youthful" age is indicative of the many Believers who will be raptured before their fullness of age ( infants, youngsters, teenagers, 20 - 30 - 40 year olds etc. ).
The Bible tells us that Enoch "walked with God", which is another way of saying that Enoch was led of the
Holy Spirit -- that he had his lamp trimmed and lit with the Light and guidance of the Holy Spirit. In short, he was walking in obedience to God's revealed oral Word and to the voice of the Holy Spirit. Matthew 25: 1—13.
During Enoch's generation, God's oral Word was what Adam passed down to his succeeding generations during his lifetime.
This is commonly referred to as ' oral tradition'. Adam too walked with God, and bore witness to God's holy words.
In Hebrews 11: 5 and 6, it tells us that Enoch "walked with God" (that he was Spirit-led) and that he "pleased" God. (obeyed God).
Hebrews 11: 6 tells us what it means to please God. "But without faith it is impossible to please Him."
'Pleasing God' means to have faith -- or Trust -- in God. Enoch not only Believed in Almighty God, he entrusted himself to God's care on a daily basis. He trusted God for all the necessities of life. He did not fear the future because Enoch believed that God was "a Rewarder of them that Diligently seek Him." Hebrews 11:6
How diligent is diligent ? ... Diligence is an ardent pursuit or preoccupation that utilizes all of one's available time and efforts. Diligence makes plain -- for all to see -- a person's dedication. Diligence is one's adherence and obedience to all that God communicates to that person by His word, through the Holy Spirit, and by other indications throughout one's life.
We 'read' these indications by having the Holy Spirit operate within our spirit, enlightening us as a lamp unto one's feet.
Hence, the phrase "walking with God " ( having discernment ). Psalm 119: 105.
Enoch is (as all Believers are) exemplified by the Salmon that swims upstream -- against the tide -- to his river-home, while the world goes with the flow
( downstream ) . How do we know that ? Well Matthew Henry tells us that after Enoch was raptured, he was not found. He was not found by his friends, nor by his enemies. How do we know Enoch had enemies ?
Because Enoch was a prophet who walked with God. That alone is enough for us to realize that he separated himself from the world ; and we all know that the world resents it when we don't go with the flow. Enoch the Prophet prophesied in the Book of Jude 1: 14, 15, and 16 that God was coming in Judgment for the ungodly .... not a popular message, in his day or ours.
Enoch foretold that God would execute judgment upon all ungodly persons who practiced ungodly deeds which they ungodly committed, and God would also judge all their Hard speeches which ungodly persons spoke against Almighty God. Jude 15
( Note: "ungodly" starts with "U N ". )
Enoch could foresee the Judgment day to come in the latter times because he lived in a day similar to what is coming. Adam had died about 57 years before Enoch was raptured. Now that the main forefather had passed on, perhaps many felt it easier to slip away from their oral traditions. ( a falling away, backsliding apostasy ).
The many that slipped away from godliness became such an evil generation that God repented that He ever made man. (Genesis 6:6 ).
Enos ( born before Enoch) is recorded as coming before Enoch, and the apostasy was so strong during the time of Enos that people began to pray in earnest to the Lord. Genesis 4:26.
We too are living in times of great apostasy, and we too are calling upon God for help in many of our perilous situations. Our generation is much like the Genesis 6: 5, 6 generation.
It is recorded in Scripture that Enoch's Raptured body was not found, and neither was Elijah's body found after he was raptured
( 2 Kings 2: 17 ).
No one knows for sure when the Rapture will take place. When it does occur, our bodies too will not be found.
We may know the hour ( midnight ) and we may know the season (1 Thessalonians 5). And we are told in Hebrews 10:25 to assemble all the more as we see the day approaching . It is our belief that when we are assembled together ---with one mind and in one accord--- then we will hear a prophetic message regarding the closeness of the rapture from someone who is gifted with prophesying (interpretation of tongues, 1 Corinthians 14). from the Holy Spirit.
When that time comes, we will be caught up ( raptured, harpazo, natzel ) and thus we shall ever be with the Lord.
( 1 Thessalonians 4: 17 )
Maranatha, Come Lord Jesus !
1 Thessalonians 5:21 commands us to "prove all things".
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P.S. In 2 Thessalonians 1:7,8 it hints at the fact that there will be a war at the time of our Rapture. In Daniel Chapter 5, Belshazzar has a huge party ( could it have been bringing in the New Year ? ). Let’s keep in mind that a trumpet (1 Thessalonians 4: 13-18 ) will sound at the time of our Rapture. Yet—as told in the Old Testament—a trumpet was sounded to call the people to assemble ( Rapture) and also it was sounded for war. Perhaps the trumpet sounding for us, will also bring forth a war for those left behind. Something to consider.
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I wonder what the writer of this article on the raptured Enoch would think if it was explained that the Termination of Pentecost Count from Leviticus 23:15 & 16 would end on day 365 of the year? I am sure he or she will have aversions because that day is so.... unsecular...! I will try and contact the author. I will report as soon as I do. Blessings
Update. I read more of their website. I won't be contacting them. However, I do think it interesting that even though they did not want to go to December 31 because they acknowledged it is a world-wide drinking day, they did at least mention the possibility. Blessings
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Not at all what you describe. 
