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Post by Natalie on Jun 30, 2019 15:29:26 GMT -6
So, what is the difference between someone dreaming that there is going to be a large earthquake, let's say in Portland and someone hearing God say to them that there will be an earthquake in Portland?
(Just an example. It could be anything...fire balls, the next President, what Mom is serving for dinner...)
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Post by boraddict on Jun 30, 2019 18:37:45 GMT -6
So, what is the difference between someone dreaming that there is going to be a large earthquake, let's say in Portland and someone hearing God say to them that there will be an earthquake in Portland? (Just an example. It could be anything...fire balls, the next President, what Mom is serving for dinner...) There may be a number of differences the first of which is the visual cortex of the brain verses an intuitive impression / God speaking directly to an individual. In fact, it may be the case that God spoke to the individual during the sleep cycle and that activated the visual cortex. So, it may all be the same thing. I don't know. It's above my pay grade. However, there appear to be a multitude of types of communication from God to man and perhaps these are like our communications to each other. We have impressions when someone is thinking about us, we have vibes when someone wishes us harm, we feel the love of others, we are attracted to each other as in birds of a feather, we speak out loud to each other or in a whisper, we give visual clues, and so much more. Perhaps God's communications with us in the same natural communication avenues. We have impressions when he is thinking about us, we have vibes from him for protection when someone wishes us harm, we feel his love, we are attracted to him and he to us as birds of a feather, he speaks out loud to us or in a whisper, he gives us visual clues, and so much more. Personally, I think the dream is less reliable. One problem that exists is the spiritual maturity of the individual. Let's say that someone has a belief that is somewhat elementary and for example believes that Christ may or may not be the Savior; they have their doubts. In contrast let's say that another person has felt the warmth of Christ's spirit in their life and there is no doubt in the Savior nor their salvation. Consequently, the dept of communication from God is much less in the first case and much greater in the second. It is simply natural that the closer the person is to Christ then the greater the communication from God; something like that.
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Post by bobthewebguy on Jun 30, 2019 18:41:21 GMT -6
Well, generally, Dreams and visions happen when one is asleep. Are some people having extra biblical experiences when they are awake? But, as I said, tell me about a dream or a vision that has predicted something that came true with 100% accuracy. Any?
If the D&V did not predict something, then what is the purpose of the D&V? Some people tell me that they had a dream about the rapture or something and my response usually is, OK, so what? I have dreams about the rapture all the time.
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Post by Natalie on Jun 30, 2019 19:29:21 GMT -6
Well, generally, Dreams and visions happen when one is asleep. Are some people having extra biblical experiences when they are awake? But, as I said, tell me about a dream or a vision that has predicted something that came true with 100% accuracy. Any? If the D&V did not predict something, then what is the purpose of the D&V? Some people tell me that they had a dream about the rapture or something and my response usually is, OK, so what? I have dreams about the rapture all the time.
You must have missed the two examples I gave and asked about.
I guess I just don't understand how your experience is ok but a dream or a vision is wrong. Especially when pointed out that the Bible says that in the last days the Spirit would be poured out and people would dream and have visions.
ETA what about the many reports of Muslims dreaming of or having visions of Jesus?
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Post by cwood85 on Jul 1, 2019 15:28:22 GMT -6
bobthewebguySays: Dreams and visions are prophetic. They were used to tell the future. TO prophecy. No one today can tell the future with 100% accuracy. No that is only part of the meaning of the word prophetic or prophecy. It does not solely mean to tell of the future. Prophets of old were not only telling of future events, they were also affirming and spreading the truths of God. Here is the full meaning of the word prophet: Cognate: 4396 prophḗtēs (from 4253 /pró, "beforehand" and 5346 /phēmí, "elevating/asserting one idea over another, especially through the spoken-word") – properly, one who speaks forth by the inspiration of God; a prophet. See 4394 (prophēteia). A prophet (4396 /prophḗtēs) declares the mind (message) of God, which sometimes predicts the future (foretelling) – and more commonly, speaks forth His message for a particular situation. 4396 /prophḗtēs ("a prophet") then is someone inspired by God to foretell or tell-forth (forthtell) the Word of God.Prophets were not simply fortune tellers. They proclaimed the Word of God. ” in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
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Post by sog on Jul 1, 2019 15:41:17 GMT -6
I thought these two videos that were just posted a day ago seemed timely for the discussion. Talks about signs and dreams. Then I saw this advert at the top of the Unsealed page. I know it changes and not everyone may get the same adverts, but seemed timely as well.
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Post by stormyknight on Jul 1, 2019 16:20:29 GMT -6
bobthewebguy , Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm thinking you of the mind that dreams and visions are prophetic and only prophetic. That God our Heavenly Father would only give dreams and visions for the recipient to warn the believers of something or give news of an upcoming event. And that anyone given a dream/vision today better have 100% accuracy or they are just full of it? Well I can tell you that the dream I had I believe 100% came from our Heavenly Father. Why? Because I asked for it! Before all the good news about the Rev. 12 sign and the blood moons and the Great Eclipse of 2017, while I was a firm believer in Jesus Christ, my mind was more into spiritual things. I was very interested in Lucid Dreaming and was doing what I could to enhance my dream state so as to achieve a lucid dream. I now know this is dangerous territory for the naive and weak-minded. But at the time, I was praying and daily talking with our Heavenly Father, asking for help because I really wanted to experience it. It took a while, but He did answer. In the dream I was in a room like a kitchen/pantry. I don't know if you are familiar with lucid dreaming, but for the most part it is a dream you can consciously control. Anyway, I was able to look around and see food on the shelves and assorted items sitting around the room, but I could not read anything even though I recognized the containers. I moved around the room a bit, cautiously because I had a 'thrilled' feeling because I knew I was dreaming. When I turned slightly I felt that someone was standing next to me and a little behind so I could not actually see them. When I became aware of the presence, a feeling came that they were there to make sure I was ok and that I just looked. The feeling was a very safe and secure feeling. Then the dream ended. The next day I thanked God for the dream and told Him about it. That still small voice ( 1 Kings 19:12 ) said, "It's ok, but that's enough, you need to move on." So I did. It definitely was not a prophetic dream and it was just for me, specifically. I "know" God had sent a messenger or angel or maybe it was Jesus Himself(thought I did not sense an identity, just the feeling of love and understanding). I know now that if it had been from evil sources, I probably would have been seduced into going places that might have driven me mad or to a more terminal state of mind as life at that time was pretty difficult. Not long after is when I 'found' this place and, like I said before, certain brothers and sisters here helped me find more joy, hope, and peace than I've ever had. It is not a good thing to get stuck in a mindset, believing something to be black or white. If you would accept some advice, I would ask you to study the word 'love' in all it's definitions laid out in scripture. Why? Because God is love. Then when you've thought about that as much as you can, think about the phrase "I AM". Think about it for hours. God made us in His Image. Now let that sink in.
Have you ever watched any videos from John Fenn? He is a pastor of SuperHouseChurch and he talks, in his videos, of conversing with Jesus Christ Himself all the time? Do I believe him? I can tell you from his body language and the way he talks that he believes he does. How do we know? I have yet to find anything he says contradicts scriptures. So if he is preaching the truth, is that proof enough that he is telling the truth?(does that make sense?)
and btw, dreams happen when we sleep and visions when we are awake, like day-dreaming only from God. To anyone watching you, you would look like you are in a trance because your mind takes over your visual cortex and what you are seeing is not physical.
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Post by rt on Jul 18, 2019 8:56:41 GMT -6
Well, generally, Dreams and visions happen when one is asleep. Are some people having extra biblical experiences when they are awake? But, as I said, tell me about a dream or a vision that has predicted something that came true with 100% accuracy. Any? If the D&V did not predict something, then what is the purpose of the D&V? Some people tell me that they had a dream about the rapture or something and my response usually is, OK, so what? I have dreams about the rapture all the time. Well I can tell you about a couple of dreams I had that actually came true: I had a dream about being in the car with my dad and we drove up through the inside of a mountain and out into a large open field, I was driving and noticed something was wrong with my dad. Mind you I had never had a dream ever that featured my Father. I turned to him stopped the car and was in a bit of a panic to figure out what was wrong with him. It was a very odd dream. That morning not long after waking my mom called me and told me I had to take my Father to the ER because he couldn't urinate, turned out he had bladder cancer. Then I had another dream years later. In the dream my sister and I were at my parents and it was around a holiday in the spring, we were sorting through all my mother's belongings. Not long after my mother had to be placed in a nursing facility and my sister and I spent the Easter week sorting through her things to take clothes to her at the nursing home. I also had consecutive dreams about a man and his wife that my husband and I knew well, dying, the day after each dream, they actually died. I have also had "visions" that came true as well, where I would see things happen in my mind and then moments later they would happen. One instance in particular stands out, I was sitting in church one Sunday morning and had a vision of the window next to me breaking, seconds later the window did actually crack, that kind of freaked me out actually. Now none of these are earth shattering to anyone else but me, they were personal in nature and not global prophetic dreams or visions, though I have had a couple of those that I have shared with a few people close to me. At the time I was also struggling with an autoimmune response to a virus and it was affecting my brain. My doctor thought that perhaps the virus had stimulated a latent area of my brain related to my dreams and visions. Since recovering I have not had very many instances of either dreams of visions occur. I do not know why I experienced what I did, I do know that it did draw me closer to Christ and more into His word.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Jul 19, 2019 7:24:42 GMT -6
wow rt Your experience leads me to share something that I am not sure is a dream or not. I may have shared this before elsewhere when I first started visiting this site. I was having a very difficult time falling asleep one night as I was teeming with huge regret over something I did toward a close friend of mine (tho she was not aware I did it). I had began to side with her boyfriend at the time over her behavior and vented my opinion of her behavior to him. He had spurred the conversation on in that direction and I took the bait. background to the story is she had just come out of chemo/reconstruction surgery et al for breast cancer. I also had not been a good friend during her treatments, but it had to do with my overall frustration with her prior to her diagnosis. She is my best friend (aside from my husband) yet there seemed to be lies and fabrications from her that led me to bitterness behind her back. Well, I went on a rant to her boyfriend one night. Keep in mind that my friend was renewing her Walk and even switched churches and was coming to the one I go to. We had had some great talks about the Lord and her circumstances with cancer and were renewing our friendship thru the Lord. So after my rant that night I went to bed with a heavy heart. I felt I betrayed her and did not like my behavior of bad-mouthing her. It was like I was swimming in quick sand over what might result from my ranting to her friend. Guilt and Shame big time. I started saying to myself why is it that I can witness about the Lord to this guy (her boyfriend) and then in the next breath complain and throw my friend under the bus? This circular remorse guillotine of guilt, shame, regret, anger at myself, fear, you name it, it had me tossing and turning in bed. I remember screaming out to the Lord in my mind for forgiveness and yet asking why I could do such an awful thing. I think I had tossed around for several hours. Then something happened: As I was mumbling my prayers of regret a huge flash of light blinded my closed eyes. It was a flash that also had physical effect like touching an electric fence. It jarred me such that I even sat up. Then I began to think about the light I saw. I was scared by it as it came toward me like a speeding train, but then I wanted more of that light. There was comfort there. And as soon as I thought of that comfort and wanted to see that light again I fell asleep. Its been 5 years or more since then. I would have to say, my "gossiping" has been in check pretty much since. I would swim thru shark infested waters these days to save my friend as she and I have grown closer then ever and the dude? He's out of her life and frankly still wandering in the wilderness so to speak. That is all I have to say about that.
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