Thank you, bondservant. It seems to me that he has a nice balance. I tend to think that if a person has Jesus as their Savior, then He will start convicting them of things because He is Lord. He'll probably work on them a bit at a time (based on personal experience). Like your pastor said, we can't judge because we don't know where that person is at (my paraphrase). We can have Him as Savior, but I think to really experience life to the full then we must see Him as Lord.
If I understand the Lordship Salvation thing, you aren't truly saved until you make Him your Lord. But, I see it more like this video and the one Mike shared. We can be saved because that's what Jesus does. I think your pastor is more clear though that once we are saved, in order to be in relationship with Him then we must understand that He is Lord. He will convict, and discipline, and train us. We could just go on sinning and live however we want, but that's not what He wants for us.
It fits in with the sermon Mike posted on wandering. You can be saved and not be in relationship, but what kind of abundant life is that?
Is 26:3 You keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on You, because he trusts in You.
I think it was Jack Kelley who made a good distinction between fellowship and relationship. Fellowship is like companionship, but relationship is simply how one relates.
I could have a prodigal son who wanders off and we no longer have a fellowship, but we still have a relationship—he's forever related to me by blood, he's my son. He'll always be my son.
Parents Children Coworkers Friends Masters Slaves Servants Employers Rulers
These are all different types of relations a person might have, and regardless of how close they might be, they remain in that relationship by virtue of the relationship itself.
Same thing with salvation. If someone has genuine faith that Christ died for their sins and rose again, than the very second they believed the Holy Spirit resuscitated their spirit and adopted them into the family of God. They are now sealed forever. But sin can very quickly dissolve the fellowship, hence 1 Cor. 3, among other passages, describing some who will be saved by the bare minimum (faith).
"For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures."
sesquipedalian: There's a difference between a non-Christian company, and a company that is putatively Christian but keeps making compromises. This is not the first compromise they have made.
Dec 1, 2019 18:31:25 GMT -6
fitz: I would just say (as a business owner myself), there is no such thing as a "Christian business". A business cannot be a Christian, only a person can be a Christian. The CEO may run his company by a set of "Christian values", but that doesn't restrict him
Dec 1, 2019 18:37:29 GMT -6
fitz: from making a business decision...bottom line. Stockholders, all that ...business.
Dec 1, 2019 18:37:57 GMT -6
fitz: In my experience and humble opinion, all my customers money is green. I am in business to make money, grow the business. As a Christian, I want to be Jesus to all of my customers too. I know about this because I had a business where this was daily life.
Dec 1, 2019 18:41:06 GMT -6
fitz: It's a tough thing to do. Balancing act, and difficult at a personal level for the Christian making the decisions, without compromising.
Dec 1, 2019 18:42:13 GMT -6
fitz: This is the the world's system...but praise God, Jesus is coming soon! Then we will be operating in His perfect system...forever!
Dec 1, 2019 18:48:47 GMT -6
mike: Fitz & D4L you guy are right. If it werent in the news I wouldnt even know about it. Just very disappointed that they caved
Dec 2, 2019 7:10:17 GMT -6
sesquipedalian: fitz "A business cannot be Christian, only a person can" is a distinction without a difference. Rephrase that as "there's a difference between a company run by people who don't adhere to Christian values, and a company run by people who supposedly do,
Dec 2, 2019 14:04:52 GMT -6
sesquipedalian: but who keep making compromises". The point is the same.
Dec 2, 2019 14:04:55 GMT -6
EnochWalked: fitz: Thank you for sharing your experience and perspective. A CEO of a large company typically doesn't own all the shares, and so is entrusted to act as a faithful steward of the company's resources. There are limits to how generous a company can be.
Dec 2, 2019 16:04:58 GMT -6
fitz: Correct EW. No [Christian] CEO of a company of this size calls the shots in isolation and shareholders always demand profits. Nothing wrong with that. It's called "doing business".
Dec 3, 2019 5:30:56 GMT -6
EnochWalked: Of course, there's more to life than business and profits, but yes, I think that serving customers and dealing honestly can be done for Christ even if we don't always highlight that He is our ultimate motivation. (I also remember His words in Luke 14:28).
Dec 3, 2019 22:18:12 GMT -6
mike: Lev 11:44, Lev 19:2, Lev 20:7, Lev 20:26, Lev 22:32, 1Pet 1:16 - BE HOLY FOR HE IS HOLY
Dec 4, 2019 9:17:20 GMT -6
Bora: Generally speaking, I do not care if a business has "Christian values" but that they are honest and fair. This company was silly in it's approach to being honest and fair.
Dec 4, 2019 13:32:30 GMT -6
EnochWalked: www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/272666 "Gil says he believes with complete faith that a Messiah will still come and prevent a third election, even though it currently looks detached from reality, and that the Jewish people never lose hope"
Dec 4, 2019 15:17:56 GMT -6
sesquipedalian: fitz @enochwalked Perhaps you weren't aware that Chick-Fil-A is a privately owned company.
Dec 4, 2019 20:38:27 GMT -6
EnochWalked: sesquip: That's a good point, but I still think that the owner of a privately owned company doesn't necessarily have a moral duty to damage the value of their company by publicly supporting unpopular causes. Brave to do so, but maybe donate anonymously.
Dec 5, 2019 3:56:02 GMT -6