Thank you, bondservant. It seems to me that he has a nice balance. I tend to think that if a person has Jesus as their Savior, then He will start convicting them of things because He is Lord. He'll probably work on them a bit at a time (based on personal experience). Like your pastor said, we can't judge because we don't know where that person is at (my paraphrase). We can have Him as Savior, but I think to really experience life to the full then we must see Him as Lord.
If I understand the Lordship Salvation thing, you aren't truly saved until you make Him your Lord. But, I see it more like this video and the one Mike shared. We can be saved because that's what Jesus does. I think your pastor is more clear though that once we are saved, in order to be in relationship with Him then we must understand that He is Lord. He will convict, and discipline, and train us. We could just go on sinning and live however we want, but that's not what He wants for us.
It fits in with the sermon Mike posted on wandering. You can be saved and not be in relationship, but what kind of abundant life is that?
Is 26:3 You keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on You, because he trusts in You.
I think it was Jack Kelley who made a good distinction between fellowship and relationship. Fellowship is like companionship, but relationship is simply how one relates.
I could have a prodigal son who wanders off and we no longer have a fellowship, but we still have a relationship—he's forever related to me by blood, he's my son. He'll always be my son.
Parents Children Coworkers Friends Masters Slaves Servants Employers Rulers
These are all different types of relations a person might have, and regardless of how close they might be, they remain in that relationship by virtue of the relationship itself.
Same thing with salvation. If someone has genuine faith that Christ died for their sins and rose again, than the very second they believed the Holy Spirit resuscitated their spirit and adopted them into the family of God. They are now sealed forever. But sin can very quickly dissolve the fellowship, hence 1 Cor. 3, among other passages, describing some who will be saved by the bare minimum (faith).
"For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures."
yardstick: "...commemorating God’s testing of Abraham by commanding him to sacrifice his son Ishmael..." It was ISAAC whom Abraham was commanded to sacrifice... Ishamael was long gone before that...
Aug 11, 2019 23:00:20 GMT -6
bora: Is "foxes over the temple mount" metaphorical or literal; perhaps both. Where was that located?
Aug 13, 2019 22:28:28 GMT -6
bora: Yes. I see that it is in the Talmud, that to me represents man's doctrines that are binding upon God. In contrast, the Torah is God's doctrines that are binding upon man.
Aug 13, 2019 22:40:42 GMT -6
EnochWalked: "WARNING: VIDEO MAY BE DISTURBING". Yes, indeed, for many reasons. Elon has helped produce some great tech, but people shouldn't be showing such eagerness to have his machines and AI merge themselves with our bodies and minds.
Aug 15, 2019 18:15:21 GMT -6
bernie: fitz, EW: I think a lot of people will be as willing and excited as the gal in the video. And some of the other things they want to do in the Transhumanism movement are even creeper. Things are changing very quickly.
Aug 15, 2019 22:50:55 GMT -6
Joecool: I think they will make it a thing of convenience like when paying for stuff, imagine going into a store and just walking out with stuff you need, while scanner gets chip in your arm. Or not having to carry a wallet around
Aug 16, 2019 12:20:23 GMT -6
EnochWalked: Joe: Amazon is already one step ahead of you. Their new store only requires that you tap your phone as you enter to identify yourself (and your Amazon account), then their cameras follow you around and work out what you pick off the shelves. No implant.
Aug 16, 2019 17:43:01 GMT -6
EnochWalked: I'm not sure how these precision missiles are going to attack the peace deal itself (unless they can reach the White House). It would perhaps be ironic, though, if they were not as precise as hoped, and ended up destroying the Dome of the Rock instead.
Aug 18, 2019 8:04:08 GMT -6
inaweofhim: :)EnochWalked, I had to smile at that answer for precision!
Aug 18, 2019 9:32:58 GMT -6
EnochWalked: "Professor Amar determined that 66 kilograms ... of ash would be sufficient for at least 660 billion sprinklings." Those are rather ominous numbers, if this is the process that the Antichrist will be marking people with during the Tribulation.
Aug 18, 2019 19:09:22 GMT -6