According to Rev 15:2-3 ... the victors over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark and over the number of his name sing
the ... Song of Moses. Deut 32
I believe these same victors are interconnected with the mystery of the 153 fish noted in John 21:11 and God's "wisdom verse" ... Rev 13:18.
I believe I and others know why those victors would sing the Song of Moses, but rather than influence your finding as to why they would sing that particular song, I would like to hear from others here first and see if their conclusion aligns with my own.
Why do they sing that song?
Last Edit: Jan 6, 2020 15:55:56 GMT -6 by canada: bold title
Thank you for the challenge. Okay, my analysis is the following:
Please notice that in Rev. 15:3 they sing not only the song of Moses but also the song of the Lamb and this song is referenced in Rev. 5:9-13.
Since the song of the Lamb pertains to Jesus being worthy to unseal those sealed portions of the book (see v. 5:9), and those sealed portions are expounded upon in (the following chapter) Chapter 16, then it is reasonable that the song of Moses also has an application to the unsealed events of Chapter 16.
Secondly, since the sea of glass and the defeat of the beast exists in Rev. 15:2, then it is reasonable that the beast has been defeated prior to the sea of glass as referenced in Rev. 4:6. This indicates that the beast has been defeated prior to Chapters 4 and 5 suggesting that the beast was defeated when Christ paid the price at the cross; when he was worthy to open the scroll (see Rev. 5:6).
Third, since Moses led the children of Israel, and Christ paid the price, then these two songs as applied to the unsealed portions of the scroll in Chapter 16 show that the (last days) children of Israel are witness to the events of Chapter 16.
Fourth, since the new song as referenced in Rev. 5:9 links to Rev. 14:3 and these singing the new song are the 144,000, then the 144,00 are present at Rev. 15:2 and participate in the singing of the song of Moses and the song of the Lamb at Rev. 15:3.
Therefore, the song of Moses shows us that the last days children of Israel, Christian and Jew alike, are witness to the unsealed portions of the scroll as referenced in Chapter 16.
Why would the victors over the beast, image, mark and number of his name sing the Song of Moses? Rev 15:3
I believe the answer lays in the text of Moses Song itself. Deut 32
It says (in part) ... Because I will publish the name of the Lord: ascribe ye greatness unto our God ... He is the ROCK, His work is perfect for all His ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is He.
vs 17-18 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not. Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
vs 31-34 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges. For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter: their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps. (the RC wine of it's "miracle" of transubstantiation) is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?
vs 37 And He shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted.
When God destroys Vatican City, then God will say ... where are your gods, your rock in whom you trusted.
Here is wisdom. Let he who hath understanding count the number ... ... Rev 13:18.
There is a real biblical peter (and Mary) and there is the blasphemous distortion the Church of Rome has made of them.
Jesus changed Saul's name to Paul ... but Jesus "added" peter to Simon ... why?
The meaning of the word added to Simon means pebble or rock and small rocks were used to count or calculate during biblical times.
Each and every pope sits in the "chair of peter" and wears the "ring of peter".
The "papal peter" is the living, speaking "image of peter".
Peter literally dies, but then becomes "alive" through the papal peters.
Other than Satan himself, who else did Jesus refer to as Satan?
To peter, Jesus stated ... get thee behind me Satan. Mathew 16:23.
The language of the Church of Rome is Latin. The original six Latin numbers I V X L C D sum at ... 666. Not a coincidence.
There are several interpretations of the 153 fish in John 21:11 but only peter is associated with the ... "counting".
The disciples were instructed to cast their net on the right side and the count was 153.
If you calculate our numbers from 1 to 26 (A - Z) the sum is ... 351
If you cast your eyes from the right side you will perceive ... 153
The following numerical examples using simple English wherein A=1 B=2 C=3 etc results in:
THE IMAGE OF PETER = 153 A NUMBERING SIGN = 153 APPLY WISDOM = 153 THE GREAT WHORE = 153
COUNT THE BEAST = 153 NUMERIC PROOF = 153 LETTER NUMBER = 153 PSALM OF MOSES = 153
The "psalm of Moses" is noted in ... Rev ... 15:3
The Reformers were correct about the popes. The papacy is anti Christ sitting in their "temple" claiming to be as God (vicarious) in the place of Christ and the Church of Rome is the great harlot church described in Revelation.
I expect God to destroy Vatican City in the very near future and the followers of Rome will cry out ... where is our rock in whom we trusted.
Correction: "count the number" summing at 153 should have been COUNT THE BEAST = 153
Another numerical example would be ... TO REVEAL SATAN = 153
In a passage following the counting of the 153 fish by peter is the following:
Verily, verily, I say unto thee (peter) When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walked whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be OLD, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and ANOTHER shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. John 21:18.
This spake Jesus, how Peter's death would glorify God. John 21:19
Are you old enough to remember when popes were literally "carried".
There are theologians within the Church of Rome that believe this refers to the Church of Rome in its "old age", and that their church becomes apostate in the last days. They believe these verses are one indication of that. Also, some Roman Catholic (and Protestant) theologians agree that "Babylon" in scripture is a reference to papal Rome.
PS ... Just as Jesus came in the name of his Father, our parents determine our “name”.
In fulfillment of prophecy, upon the election of a pope, he is asked – “what name do you wish to be called?” He chooses, and therefore “comes in his own name”.
Jesus said I am come in my Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. John 5:43
It was Sir Isaac Newton (who wrote more on Bible prophecy than his scientific studies) said ... we are not to become prophets (a form of futurism) but rather to recognize the event when it comes to pass. I was a futurist for ten years.
As watchmen and women on the wall, have you been looking for something that has already come to pass?
In Rev 6:2 John of Patmos was given a vision of a "rider on a white horse with bow and crown". Is this how John would have described a "popemobile"?
When pope John Paul II came to America, his "white horse" was a converted white Ford Bronco. President Carter greeted him with "God blessed America by sending you to us." Billy Graham stated "He's the most respected religious leader in the world today."
Daniel informed us that "arms will stand on his part". Dan 11:31
I like many others thought this to mean a "weapon". The Hebrew text reveals this to mean that his arms are "outstretched". Strongs 2220
This unusual identification was one of John Paul II's "trademarks".
He, being a former actor, knew how to move the masses. He would raise his arms in the form of a "bow" to urge on and acknowledge the adulation of the gathered multitudes.
Another "trademark" was upon his arrival at the host country, he would "bow" to the ground and kiss it.
Rev 6: notes that he has a "crown", and the Greek is from the word "stepho" meaning to "twine or wreathed".
That is a perfect description of the papal ... "Triple Tiara", that is unlike any of the solid gold or silver crowns of Europe. According to the New Educator Encyclopedia Vol 9 page 3575 and other sources, it is "weaved of cloth of gold".
It is claimed by some Rome watchers that at one time this "Triple Tiara" displayed the Latin phrase "Vacarious Fillie Dei" on it and that phrase in Latin sums at ... 666
A messianic website gave his name in Hebrew summing at ... 666
Another site gave his name in Latin summing at ... 666
A most difficult language to sum at 666 is simple English wherein A=1 ... Z=26
It would require 25 Z's and a P to arrive at 666.
On Oct. 16 1978 history was made and prophecy fulfilled. The wisp of white smoke indicated that the required 66.6% of the 111 Cardinals present had voted to select their new "Image of Peter" ... he has chosen the name JOHN PAUL SECOND.
KAROL CARDINAL WOJTYLA ARCHBISHOP OF KRAKOW = 424
(became) POPE JOHN PAUL THE SECOND = 242
Roman Catholicism is the idol worshipping great harlot church described in Revelation.
Within the walls of the Vatican exists a huge bronze image of peter, that so many have bowed down to and kissed it's toe, that it is near worn off.
Do you continue to watch for the excitement, the sensational and hyper literal interpretations of futurism ... or ... as Sir Isaac noted, did you recognize the event when it came to pass?
Son of Mary David and Joseph ... son of a carpenter.
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Jan 26, 2020 8:48:06 GMT -6
disciple4life: The only mention of 2017 in the extremely leftist, anti-semitic article was that 2017 was when Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. How could it have began in 2017, when it hasn't even been revealed. ??
Jan 26, 2020 13:17:14 GMT -6
disciple4life: My prediction is that the plan will not include anything re 3rd temple. Jews would not give land to Jordanian arabs/ Fauxlestinians unless they get a temple. So no temple, no Leprechaun/Jordanian arab state.
Jan 26, 2020 13:19:50 GMT -6
EnochWalked: D4L: I apologise if you don't like the news source. I don't mean to endorse it, but it was the first time I had seen the intriguing "4 years" idea. (I haven't looked anywhere else to confirm that claim).
Jan 26, 2020 17:10:47 GMT -6
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Jan 26, 2020 18:55:00 GMT -6
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Jan 26, 2020 19:05:50 GMT -6
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Jan 26, 2020 19:09:01 GMT -6
disciple4life: I'm not attacking/criticizing. Just making the point that even in the NYT article, nothing I read said that the plan started 4 years ago. Article was from 2017, and that Trump & Kushner had started the process of drafting it.
Jan 26, 2020 19:11:14 GMT -6
EnochWalked: D4L: Thank you for your patience and clarity in explaining your position. I don't think I am disagreeing with you, just approaching the same truth from a different angle (and it's great to hear your perspective, thank you).
Jan 26, 2020 20:00:32 GMT -6
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Jan 26, 2020 20:05:02 GMT -6
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Jan 26, 2020 20:12:36 GMT -6
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Jan 26, 2020 20:27:07 GMT -6
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Jan 26, 2020 21:48:59 GMT -6
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Jan 27, 2020 5:46:17 GMT -6
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Jan 27, 2020 6:26:54 GMT -6