Jason A's Update

I just made a reply and I lost it. I hit enter to post it and lost my internet or something went wrong. Hit the back button but couldn't get it back again. Hate when that happens!

The jist of what I said though...

I am feeling the same way that you are! And it's NOT me, it is all HIM!

I am very reluctant to speak in ways like...  "Jesus told me" or "The Holy Spirit revealed to me". Unless I am audibly spoken to by Him, I'm just not comfortable saying that. But I do feel comfortable in saying that I feel like I've been led by The Holy Spirit today.

I woke up at 4am this morning and could not go back to sleep. For me, this is uncommon and I LOVE to sleep! I'm off work today, so even stranger. When I woke up though, since I couldn't sleep, I opened my Bible and I read. Then I came here, read and posted. I got tired and so took a nap, woke up, and came back here again. Reading what you have written, what yardstick has written, what everyone has written. Because you wrote what you did, I thought of what I did.

I truly believe God is at work. We are all His Body and are made up of many different parts. He is The Head and ALL credit goes to Him if any of what I've said is accurate. It is ALL HIM using all of us, His Body!

OK, so, a lot of what I am going to say here is drawn from Chuck Missler's stuff.

Satan has done (and continues to do) everything in his power to thwart the plan of God.

1. He successfully tempted Eve and Adam in the Garden. Can you imagine what everything would have been like if Adam and Eve had not sinned? 6000 years of doing what we will be doing during the Millenium, and an infinite amount of time afterward.

2. He attempted to 'breed out' humanity by genetically crossing them with angels, resulting in the nephilim (titans- yes those titans). If he had been successful it would have been impossible for Jesus to have been born. This makes for a very good reason for the flood; and by saving Noah, his wife, sons and their wives; the Lord demonstrates one of he times he reserves for himself a remnant. This also explains why the Israelites were commanded to wipe out the people in the promised land (we often get lots of outrage and requests for explanation for this): they were the descendants of the pre-flood nephilim. Based upon our speculations about DNA, isn't it possible that God's command to wipe them out was to prevent Satan from setting up his kingdom too soon?  In war, sometimes your actions are designed not just to obtain your objective, but to prevent your enemy from obtaining his.

These nephilim (rephaim) in the promised land had to have been descended from Noah's sons, because Noah was 'perfect in his generations'; which has the implication of non-corrupted DNA (and all other lifeforms not aboard the ark were destroyed). There is nothing that indicates it wasn't Noah's wife who was part nephilim, but I suspect, given Noah's stature before God that neither her, nor Noah's sons were part nephilim. That leaves Noah's sons' wives! There is nothing that indicates how these men, or their wives stood before God. I suspect Ham's wife was part nephilim, based upon the curse placed on Ham. This, to me, would be an indicator, although it does not rule out Japeth's wife too. I suspect Shem's wife was a 'normal'. See the incident where Noah got drunk.

3. Numerous times in the past, Satan has attempted to annihilate the hebrews/israel/jews (payback for the caananites?). The ancient tribes living in mesopotamia (near the Jordan River), egyptians, assyrians, babylonians, persians, greeks, romans: all have at one point in time or another conquered the area commonly called Palestine. Since the Assyrians, the tribes of Israel have been dispersed throughout the nations. The latest attempt to wipe out the Jews was WWII; and they still have the Tribulation to go through. But God always saves a remnant. This is documented repeatedly in the Scriptures.

4. Revelation 12:3-4 shows yet another attempt by the Adversary to thwart the plan of God: by his attempt to 'consume' the 'son' born of the woman.

5. Once cast down to earth, Satan will 'go to town' in his final attempt (because he knows his time is short) to eradicate all believers: Gentile and Jew, by way of the 'mark' or killing them off, which we have previously hypothesized about.

6. With regard to your last (bolded) statement, I believe he doesn't want us condemned, per se; he wants to compel us to his side (if we wont go voluntarily), and at worst, deny God his 'prize'.

Awesome info on Noah Yardstick, Heard some of it before, but you made it very pointed (not drawn out)

I'm sorry it's taken me so long to get around to responding to this. I feel like I don't think as well if I am constricted by time, and since I've been working the past few days I don't have much time to really be able to...  well...   to give the things of God the attention that they deserve! 

Excellent post and absolutely agree that Satan has been doing everything he can to thwart God's Plan. 

1: I definitely have imagined what it would have been like had Adam and Eve never fallen. Before they fell, I think they truly were made in God's Image (I believe that this is how Jesus is now and also how we someday will be also; once Jesus returns for us we will be made like Him). As for Adam and Eve, they would never have aged and died physical deaths, never have gotten sick or had to deal with disease. There would have been no bloodshed; no killing animals and no animals killing us. They never would have had to toil and work to survive, to produce food to sustain them, shelter to cover their heads. To make it more modern: No mess of politics and human government. No jealousy, pride, and no coveting power/possessions other people own. No having to go to the doctor, go to the gym to keep in shape, worry about what we eat and how that is damaging to us, no more of the "more more more" mentality. (Whatever we have is never good enough for us because we need that next and better new house, car, computer, iPhone, tv set, dress, shoes, etc...  and we think every single time, "Oh, if only I had "x" then life will be complete." We obtain "x" and immediately, "If only I had "y". I thought "x" would make me happy but it just doesn't. But "y", oh how that would truly make my life perfect." We worry about money and having to get up to go to work everyday for people/corporations that basically OWN us; so we can survive but also so we can try and obtain that "next material thing" that is most certainly going to make life all better forever! (Yeah, right.) We who believe and follow Jesus probably spend between 80 - 90 percent of our lives doing all of the above. That is time that should have been dedicated to God. With unbelievers, it's 100% of their lives. 

One thing I wonder about, is if they would have procreated and had children the way that they did, the way we still do now; if it would have even happened that way? If so, as the population grew, eventually someone would have given in to Satan. Chances are that if any one of us had been in Eve's position or in Adam's, we would have done the same and so I don't blame Adam and Eve. I wonder what the actual amount of time was that was involved, how long Satan was tempting Adam and Eve for, before they gave in? When we read the Bible it seems to not have been that long, but could have been hundreds of years, less than that, or more than that. 

2: Yep. I think that after Satan saw that his plan with Adam and Eve didn't work out quite the way he wanted it to (with them completely destroyed and God begging him for forgiveness and Satan saying, "See God? Told ya so."), it then became about stealing God's Children permanently from Him. Can you imagine how heartbroken God must have been? For anyone whom is a parent, think how you would feel if someone stole from you your child, tried to steal all of your children? Not only that, but you know that the person who took them is damaging them, filling their head with all kinds of nonsense and evil, and encouraging them to hate you? Your own child, whom you carried and gave birth to, whom was created in your image? Just...  how hurt God must have felt, and also how angry (righteous anger). 

I agree with you about the nephilim, the rephaim, titans, and giants. In addition these watchers/fallen angels also corrupted everything else, animals also. I think that this is why we see ancient artifacts that depict part human, part animal; and statues they used to worship as their gods that also were animal/human, or monstrous looking humans. It can be seen in many cultures even today, especially in India (Hindu) with all their gods and goddesses (example Shiva and Kali). 

I don't know why there are so many Christians who are either: 1) completely averse to talking about this; 2) outright deny it. It's clearly stated in the Bible that this happened. There is so much evidence it did happen and it's possible these nephilim/rephaim/giants (I don't know the difference between all the names as I haven't studied that deep into it) still exist today. When presented to the world the elite will call them "extraterrestrial life" or "aliens". NO. They are spawn of satan. Back to my point though, why do most Christians deny so much the supernatural? 

I think that you are right and someone, most likely one of the wives (or maybe more than one), had the DNA of the fallen angels in their blood. Before I came to research all of this; actually part of the reason why I started looking into all of this...  I was one of those people who could not understand why God would destroy everyone with a flood, why he would instruct His People to destroy ENTIRE cities and races of people. Like you said, this IS why. God doesn't enjoy killing or causing chaos and suffering. He did it because He HAD to. He did it because of US, because of OUR choices. If He hadn't of done it, when it comes to humans, Satan would have won. We would have all of us been Satan's. Satan would have succeeded in stealing God's Creation that He created in His Image away from God. 

Before the flood and after the flood, and I do believe even now, there is still some of these abominations here, present on the earth. Somehow, I think that also will play into the mark of the beast (those who will choose to be "sealed by Satan"). The statues and idols that people worshipped back then and still worship today, those "things" I believe were at some point in time, most likely before the flood, REAL. 

We who live today tend to think about ancient times and ancient people like they are a completely different species than us. We think of them as ignorant, that they had no knowledge like we do now, that they were so stupid that they just decided they would build statues and worship them. I don't think so. If anything I think they were very smart. In fact, way smarter than us because before the flood they had down on earth with them the watchers (whom God sent to help humankind and look after them but obviously didn't work out that way because maybe not all, but some of the watchers took unto them human women as wives). In addition to that, they taught humans many things, things that God did not intend for humans to know. 

I think that humans first started worshipping these watchers as gods; because they were "supernatural", they could do things that the humans could not, they knew things the humans did not and taught the humans some of these things. I think humans worshipped the watchers and wanted to be like the watchers. So when the watchers offered to human women to become their wives...  just that humans jumped at that chance because they thought it would make them just like their gods. They had children by them, hybrids, abominations which God NEVER intended to be. Those abominations (nephilim) were also worshipped as gods.

(Think of Greek mythology, of Egyptian, of many ancient cultures. We are taught it was all made up myth that ancient "stupid" people pulled from thin air and declared true because that is how they tried to explain the world they lived in and the universe since they had no technology like we have today. Well, ha, ha. There is NOTHING new under the sun. People thought they knew it all back then and we think the same today. We think how stupid they were to believe all this nonsense, well, they were not stupid and they didn't just make this stuff up. It was real.)

After the flood, most of this stuff was gone. People remember though. Especially if one or more of the wives of Noah's sons was not a believer of Yahweh, the One True God. There was corrupted DNA in one or more of the wives, and they also remembered pre-flood. And so as the years go by, what do they do? They no longer have their gods anymore because GOD wiped them all out, put the watchers who did this in chains so they could not ever do it again. What they do is they make statues and images of the old gods they used to worship, and they worship that instead. They do all the same things they used to pre-flood. The nephilim used to eat people, used to fight with and eat each other. Post flood: people decide that to keep their gods happy they will keep on with that and so they sacrifice their own children, they murder their own children under some statue they have built and present them at an altar they have built unto their gods to "keep their gods happy" so that "their gods will bless them".

Well, their gods all have one thing in common...  they are OF SATAN. 


You are right yardstick, Satan never gives up. And so post flood we have what happens above, which eventually leads to all of them deciding once again they will try to overthrow Yahweh, the One True God; and so they decide they will build the tower of babel. And again, they keep on until God has no other choice than to stop them (like you said, to prevent Satan from setting up his kingdom before God's appointed time). So God confounded their language and scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth (Genesis 11:8). 

3 and 4: Yes! God ALWAYS saves a remnant. We the church are that remnant right now. However, I think our time is almost done! We have served Him faithfully (certainly not perfectly) here on earth and it is almost time for us to go home!!! Of course, Satan will try to do everything he can to stop that from happening and so currently he spends most of his time accusing Christ's Body, making things as difficult as he can for us, does whatever he can to cause us to stumble, to fall, to keep us from our Father. He can't steal us though, because we are sealed with The Holy Spirit and protected by Jesus. When we are born, it looks like Satan will try one last time, to completely eat us, consume us. But he WILL NOT because we will be caught up to God!

5: We are born and with God forever! We will serve for eternity as the Body of Christ with Jesus as our Head! Earth is in for it though. And God's attention, I believe, will shift back to Israel. I get confused about Israel because of the 12 tribes. If anyone has any knowledge they can share I would love to hear it. I've been studying His Word. What confuses me is this: Are "Jews" referring to all of the tribes of Israel? Or are the Jews just the southern kingdom from the OT? Like...  I think that the southern kingdom Judah was the tribe of Judah, Benjamin, and some of Levi? The northern kingdom Israel, all the other tribes? I know of course that Israel is back in her land right now. Not completely though. Is it just the tribe of Judah (the Jews) that are back there right now, and eventually all the tribes will be? Also, when God speaks of Israel I think He is speaking of all of Israel, both the northern and southern kingdoms. Is that right? If so, what of all the other tribes? During the 7 years of tribulation, will God bring back ALL of the tribes back to Israel? And who are those other tribes (I would imagine that only God knows because they were conquered and scattered throughout the earth)? It's one thing I've been thinking about a lot lately because I've been reading in the OT a lot. I get confused because sometimes God will say Israel, sometimes Judah, sometimes He will distinguish like in Hosea He talks about Israel but then He specifically talks about Ephraim and Judah. I'm confused. 

6: I think that Satan wants us to willingly choose him, yes. He wants us to be his and him to be god. He knows that us choosing him is the ultimate HURT to God because no matter what and even though we have free will to choose...  we are God's Children, God's Creation. For us to not choose our Father whom created us, it kind of goes back to what I said earlier somewhere...  way up there...  in this novel...   and how much it must hurt God, would be like our own child or children choosing to leave us for someone else to be their parents. I really need to do this now...   LOL

My thoughts, precisely, Whatif. I have the working belief that satan and/or other evil angels reintroduced the genetic manipulation (one way or another, but probably through the gods of the Caananites, Amorites, etc.) after the flood.

They could have, though I know of no historical reference that would confirm it.

That makes sense to me, watchmanjim!