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Post by Natalie on Oct 5, 2017 8:56:08 GMT -6
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Post by nana on Oct 5, 2017 10:27:10 GMT -6
Going to take this out a little further.
Is the 13/14th the birth or just the day the child leaves?
Lev 12:2-Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.
Ties with the 7 year tribulation?
And what about the child?
Either the child is caught up right away or does the child need a purification time too after it leaves Virgo? Reread Lev 12:2, says the woman.
If the child is born on the 23rd day:
Oct 13/14=23
Oct 14/15=1 day
Oct 15/16=2 days
Oct 16/17=3 days
Oct 17/18=4 days
Oct 18/19=5 days
Oct 19/20=6 days (new moon day)
Oct 20/21=7 days
Oct 21/22=8 days (clean) and if the calendar is off by a month could this be FoT?
Just wondering and thinking outside of the box.
And Numbers chapter 8 keeps coming to mind.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 10:29:37 GMT -6
OK, Sam, This sounds very interesting, but you lost me bro -- and this is not my first eschatology rodeo. Can you talk down to me a little. I'm tracking that you're referring to the Metonic cycle, and it seems like you are saying that the Trib period days - fit the Jewish Feasts. Either the start or the end. ?? Can you elaborate? D4L, my apologies! I didn't explain it very well....I will try again....Dan 12 states that there are 1290 days from the (1) the stop to sacrifices and (2) the abomination of desolation, until the end. My assumption is that maybe the stop to sacrifices and the abomination occur in Passover week, and that the end is at Yom Kippur.... If that assumption is correct, then I will illustrate how my thinking went from there..... If the period 2017-2024 is the 70th week, and starts this fall, then Passover week 2021 is at the midpoint. Specifically, April 1st 2021 is the middle of Passover week. I looked to see how many days it was from Mid Passover 1 April 2021 to Yom Kippur 12 October 2024, and it is exactly 1290 days, which satisfies Daniel 12 and the assumption above, so far so good. But, then I wondered, "How often are there ~1290 days from Passover week in one year, to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later, like this case? So, I looked at every 3 1/2 year period going back and forward for several decades to see how many days it was between the 2 feast days, 3 1/2 years apart. To my surprise, by far most of the day counts were ~1260, with a few being 1290......in fact, in a 19 year period, there were only 2 intervals of 3 1/2 years from Passover to Yom Kippur with a ~1290 day count, all of the rest were ~1260. My next question was "Why?" This is where I learned about the Metonic Cycle and ancient Jewish calendars, and how Hillel instituted the addition of Adar 2 in 7 years of the 19 year cycle on a calculated basis, since by then the Sanhedrin was abolished and no longer declared the calendar on the moon phases and the barley. As you mentioned, the years of the 19 year cycle that get an extra Adar are 3,6,8,11,14,17,19. My next question was "If 7 of 19 years get an extra Adar, why is it that only 2 periods of 3 1/2 years have 1290 days....shouldn't there be more?" So, here is the answer as to why there are only 2 intervals of 3 1/2 years for every Metonic cycle with a 1290 day count from Passover one year, to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later.....I have listed every interval for a Metonic cycle, with the years with added months of Adar in blue: 19,1,2 1,2,3 2,3,4 3,4,5 4,5,6 6,7,8 (ding!) 7,8,9 8,9,10 9,10,11 10,11,12 11,12,13 12,13,14 13,14,15 14,15,16 15,16,17 16,17,18 17,18,19 (ding!)
So, for each 19 year cycle, there are only 2 intervals of 3 1/2 years from Passover one year, to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later, with 2 added months of Adar 2, the rest only have one. Therefore, those 2 intervals will have 30 extra days for the 3 1/2 year interval compared to all the other intervals.....these are the 6-8 year interval, and the 17-19 year interval, and therefore will alternate every 8 and 11 years in perpetuity. Therefore, if the assumption is correct that the 1290 day count is related to the interval from Passover in one year to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later, then the last half of Daniel's 70th week is confined to certain intervals....... |
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Post by nana on Oct 5, 2017 11:00:55 GMT -6
OK, Sam, This sounds very interesting, but you lost me bro -- and this is not my first eschatology rodeo. Can you talk down to me a little. I'm tracking that you're referring to the Metonic cycle, and it seems like you are saying that the Trib period days - fit the Jewish Feasts. Either the start or the end. ?? Can you elaborate? D4L, my apologies! I didn't explain it very well....I will try again....Dan 12 states that there are 1290 days from the (1) the stop to sacrifices and (2) the abomination of desolation, until the end. My assumption is that maybe the stop to sacrifices and the abomination occur in Passover week, and that the end is at Yom Kippur.... If that assumption is correct, then I will illustrate how my thinking went from there..... If the period 2017-2024 is the 70th week, and starts this fall, then Passover week 2021 is at the midpoint. Specifically, April 1st 2021 is the middle of Passover week. I looked to see how many days it was from Mid Passover 1 April 2021 to Yom Kippur 12 October 2024, and it is exactly 1290 days, which satisfies Daniel 12 and the assumption above, so far so good. But, then I wondered, "How often are there ~1290 days from Passover week in one year, to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later, like this case? So, I looked at every 3 1/2 year period going back and forward for several decades to see how many days it was between the 2 feast days, 3 1/2 years apart. To my surprise, by far most of the day counts were ~1260, with a few being 1290......in fact, in a 19 year period, there were only 2 intervals of 3 1/2 years from Passover to Yom Kippur with a ~1290 day count, all of the rest were ~1260. My next question was "Why?" This is where I learned about the Metonic Cycle and ancient Jewish calendars, and how Hillel instituted the addition of Adar 2 in 7 years of the 19 year cycle on a calculated basis, since by then the Sanhedrin was abolished and no longer declared the calendar on the moon phases and the barley. As you mentioned, the years of the 19 year cycle that get an extra Adar are 3,6,8,11,14,17,19. My next question was "If 7 of 19 years get an extra Adar, why is it that only 2 periods of 3 1/2 years have 1290 days....shouldn't there be more?" So, here is the answer as to why there are only 2 intervals of 3 1/2 years for every Metonic cycle with a 1290 day count from Passover one year, to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later.....I have listed every interval for a Metonic cycle, with the years with added months of Adar in blue: 19,1,2 1,2,3 2,3,4 3,4,5 4,5,6 6,7,8 (ding!) 7,8,9 8,9,10 9,10,11 10,11,12 11,12,13 12,13,14 13,14,15 14,15,16 15,16,17 16,17,18 17,18,19 (ding!)
So, for each 19 year cycle, there are only 2 intervals of 3 1/2 years from Passover one year, to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later, with 2 added months of Adar 2, the rest only have one. Therefore, those 2 intervals will have 30 extra days for the 3 1/2 year interval compared to all the other intervals.....these are the 6-8 year interval, and the 17-19 year interval, and therefore will alternate every 8 and 11 years in perpetuity. Therefore, if the assumption is correct that the 1290 day count is related to the interval from Passover in one year to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later, then the last half of Daniel's 70th week is confined to certain intervals....... Sam, are you saying 17 and 19 of "17, 18, 19 (ding!) are leap years and the correct lineup needed? |
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Post by yardstick on Oct 5, 2017 11:16:45 GMT -6
OK, Sam, This sounds very interesting, but you lost me bro -- and this is not my first eschatology rodeo. Can you talk down to me a little. I'm tracking that you're referring to the Metonic cycle, and it seems like you are saying that the Trib period days - fit the Jewish Feasts. Either the start or the end. ?? Can you elaborate? D4L, my apologies! I didn't explain it very well....I will try again....Dan 12 states that there are 1290 days from the (1) the stop to sacrifices and (2) the abomination of desolation, until the end. My assumption is that maybe the stop to sacrifices and the abomination occur in Passover week, and that the end is at Yom Kippur.... If that assumption is correct, then I will illustrate how my thinking went from there..... If the period 2017-2024 is the 70th week, and starts this fall, then Passover week 2021 is at the midpoint. Specifically, April 1st 2021 is the middle of Passover week. I looked to see how many days it was from Mid Passover 1 April 2021 to Yom Kippur 12 October 2024, and it is exactly 1290 days, which satisfies Daniel 12 and the assumption above, so far so good. But, then I wondered, "How often are there ~1290 days from Passover week in one year, to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later, like this case? So, I looked at every 3 1/2 year period going back and forward for several decades to see how many days it was between the 2 feast days, 3 1/2 years apart. To my surprise, by far most of the day counts were ~1260, with a few being 1290......in fact, in a 19 year period, there were only 2 intervals of 3 1/2 years from Passover to Yom Kippur with a ~1290 day count, all of the rest were ~1260. My next question was "Why?" This is where I learned about the Metonic Cycle and ancient Jewish calendars, and how Hillel instituted the addition of Adar 2 in 7 years of the 19 year cycle on a calculated basis, since by then the Sanhedrin was abolished and no longer declared the calendar on the moon phases and the barley. As you mentioned, the years of the 19 year cycle that get an extra Adar are 3,6,8,11,14,17,19. My next question was "If 7 of 19 years get an extra Adar, why is it that only 2 periods of 3 1/2 years have 1290 days....shouldn't there be more?" So, here is the answer as to why there are only 2 intervals of 3 1/2 years for every Metonic cycle with a 1290 day count from Passover one year, to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later.....I have listed every interval for a Metonic cycle, with the years with added months of Adar in blue: 19,1,2 1,2,3 2,3,4 3,4,5 4,5,6 6,7,8 (ding!) 7,8,9 8,9,10 9,10,11 10,11,12 11,12,13 12,13,14 13,14,15 14,15,16 15,16,17 16,17,18 17,18,19 (ding!)
So, for each 19 year cycle, there are only 2 intervals of 3 1/2 years from Passover one year, to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later, with 2 added months of Adar 2, the rest only have one. Therefore, those 2 intervals will have 30 extra days for the 3 1/2 year interval compared to all the other intervals.....these are the 6-8 year interval, and the 17-19 year interval, and therefore will alternate every 8 and 11 years in perpetuity. Therefore, if the assumption is correct that the 1290 day count is related to the interval from Passover in one year to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later, then the last half of Daniel's 70th week is confined to certain intervals....... And following mathematically from this: If the 1290 is from 10/12/2024, then counting backwards gives us  Though I expect we may yet be off by up to 3 days - but only if we are trying to determine the harpazo? 10/12-10/13 fits a 3-day window right before 10/15 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 11:28:30 GMT -6
Sam, are you saying 17 and 19 of "17, 18, 19 (ding!) are leap years and the correct lineup needed? Yes, years 17 and 19 get an extra month of Adar each, so for a 3 1/2 year period from Passover to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later, 60 extra days get added, instead of the usual 30 like most of the other intervals. The same is true for the interval of years 6,7,8. So these two intervals are the only ones which get 60 extra days instead of 30, and this accounts for the 1290 day count for the interval instead of the usual 1260. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 11:32:02 GMT -6
The intervals of 3 1/2 years from Passover one year to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later that are ~1290 days in length are from 2013 and forward are:
2013-2016 2021-2024 2032-2035 2040-2043 2051-2054 2059-2062 2070-2073....and on and on, alternating every 8 or 11 years
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Post by Natalie on Oct 5, 2017 19:28:06 GMT -6
I was going back through some notes I made quite awhile ago...maybe someone can check my math...
Oct 18, 2017 -- Jupiter and Mercury conjunction (they are right beside each other)
1260 days later is March 31, 2021 -- during Passover- the false resurrection? the Abomination?
1290 days after that is Oct 11, 2024 - DOA and Jupiter is between the horns of Taurus
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Post by Natalie on Oct 5, 2017 20:18:40 GMT -6
Some random thoughts...
Could there be a 10 day period between the rapture and the start of Daniel's 70th week? Similar to the time from the Ascension until Pentecost.
I was looking for a pattern of 8 days, 40 days, 10 days. Eclipse to DOA was 40 days. Then 8 days to peak of meteor shower possible rapture. (Palm Sunday to resurrection Sunday being 8 days) 10 days to start of 70th week. Or ...
Eclipse to DOA is 40 days. Rapture on Oct 10th after meteor shower. Start of 70th week 8 days later.
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Post by karen on Oct 5, 2017 21:06:01 GMT -6
Some random thoughts... Could there be a 10 day period between the rapture and the start of Daniel's 70th week? Similar to the time from the Ascension until Pentecost. I was looking for a pattern of 8 days, 40 days, 10 days. Eclipse to DOA was 40 days. Then 8 days to peak of meteor shower possible rapture. (Palm Sunday to resurrection Sunday being 8 days) 10 days to start of 70th week. Or ... Eclipse to DOA is 40 days. Rapture on Oct 10th after meteor shower. Start of 70th week 8 days later. Natalie, I read this inspiring article today that might shed some light to your questions: rev12daily.blogspot.ca/2017/10/50-days-of-grace-reader-contribution.html |
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 6, 2017 4:54:02 GMT -6
D4L, my apologies! I didn't explain it very well....I will try again....Dan 12 states that there are 1290 days from the (1) the stop to sacrifices and (2) the abomination of desolation, until the end. My assumption is that maybe the stop to sacrifices and the abomination occur in Passover week, and that the end is at Yom Kippur.... If that assumption is correct, then I will illustrate how my thinking went from there..... If the period 2017-2024 is the 70th week, and starts this fall, then Passover week 2021 is at the midpoint. Specifically, April 1st 2021 is the middle of Passover week. I looked to see how many days it was from Mid Passover 1 April 2021 to Yom Kippur 12 October 2024, and it is exactly 1290 days, which satisfies Daniel 12 and the assumption above, so far so good. But, then I wondered, "How often are there ~1290 days from Passover week in one year, to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later, like this case? So, I looked at every 3 1/2 year period going back and forward for several decades to see how many days it was between the 2 feast days, 3 1/2 years apart. To my surprise, by far most of the day counts were ~1260, with a few being 1290......in fact, in a 19 year period, there were only 2 intervals of 3 1/2 years from Passover to Yom Kippur with a ~1290 day count, all of the rest were ~1260. My next question was "Why?" This is where I learned about the Metonic Cycle and ancient Jewish calendars, and how Hillel instituted the addition of Adar 2 in 7 years of the 19 year cycle on a calculated basis, since by then the Sanhedrin was abolished and no longer declared the calendar on the moon phases and the barley. As you mentioned, the years of the 19 year cycle that get an extra Adar are 3,6,8,11,14,17,19. My next question was "If 7 of 19 years get an extra Adar, why is it that only 2 periods of 3 1/2 years have 1290 days....shouldn't there be more?" So, here is the answer as to why there are only 2 intervals of 3 1/2 years for every Metonic cycle with a 1290 day count from Passover one year, to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later.....I have listed every interval for a Metonic cycle, with the years with added months of Adar in blue: 19,1,2 1,2,3 2,3,4 3,4,5 4,5,6 6,7,8 (ding!) 7,8,9 8,9,10 9,10,11 10,11,12 11,12,13 12,13,14 13,14,15 14,15,16 15,16,17 16,17,18 17,18,19 (ding!)
 D4L Here - I wasn't sure what the ding is. ?? Then I figured out that these are the half steps on the piano - which correspond to the 3 years with two leap years. 6,7,8 is E and F half step, (Mi and Fa) and also, we see the same pattern 17, 18, 19 - with B and C (Ti and Do) For those who don't know piano/music theory - The first white key is middle C - white keys make a scale from C to C,
So, for each 19 year cycle, there are only 2 intervals of 3 1/2 years from Passover one year, to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later, with 2 added months of Adar 2, the rest only have one. Therefore, those 2 intervals will have 30 extra days for the 3 1/2 year interval compared to all the other intervals.....these are the 6-8 year interval, and the 17-19 year interval, and therefore will alternate every 8 and 11 years in perpetuity. Therefore, if the assumption is correct that the 1290 day count is related to the interval from Passover in one year to Yom Kippur 3 1/2 years later, then the last half of Daniel's 70th week is confined to certain intervals.......
And following mathematically from this: If the 1290 is from 10/12/2024, then counting backwards gives us D4L here - Hey Yardstick - Seems something was deleted here, - the end of the thought is missing. ?? Though I expect we may yet be off by up to 3 days - but only if we are trying to determine the harpazo? 10/12-10/13 fits a 3-day window right before 10/15 So yardstick, @sam - **I'm stuck - missing something - 2 things -- can you help? Or anyone ;-) - 1290 is 3 1/2 years including one leap year. 360 x 3 = 1080 days + 1/2 year 180 days = 1260 days + 30 days (for one leap year). Two leap years in this period would be 1320.
- Second Isn't 1290 in the second half - after the abomination of desolation
 So yardstick counting back from 10/12/2024 [Day of Atonement I'm guessing would put us at midpoint. am I right?? Half a year from Day of atonement would put us at Passover. Sure looks and feels and smells and tastes like Feasts are inseparably linked to the Messiah. hmmm. - It is possible that there can be dual fulfillment - that I have no problem with - multiple examples in scripture - but the Harpazo will not be signless. Why??? Because end-times prophecy is mentioned more than 318 times in the NT alone - more than any other doctrine in the NT. It's mentioned in 16 books of the Bible. Also, his first coming there were signs. Days of Noah, there were signs and warnings, Days of Lot, there were warnings. Jesus also rebuked the Pharisees and disciples because they could tell the signs that a storm was coming, but missed the signs of his first coming. ;-)
- Also, very very strong compelling evidence that Christ was born exactly - on Yom Teruah -Feast of Trumpets - Wednesday, Sept 11, 3 BC. **Incredible article on www.Torahcalendar.org
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 7:29:14 GMT -6
So yardstick , @sam - **I'm stuck - missing something - 2 things -- can you help? Or anyone ;-) - 1290 is 3 1/2 years including one leap year. 360 x 3 = 1080 days + 1/2 year 180 days = 1260 days + 30 days (for one leap year). Two leap years in this period would be 1320.
- Second Isn't 1290 in the second half - after the abomination of desolation So yardstick counting back from 10/12/2024 [Day of Atonement I'm guessing would put us at midpoint. am I right?? Half a year from Day of atonement would put us at Passover. Sure looks and feels and smells and tastes like Feasts are inseparably linked to the Messiah. hmmm.
- It is possible that there can be dual fulfillment - that I have no problem with - multiple examples in scripture - but the Harpazo will not be signless. Why??? Because end-times prophecy is mentioned more than 318 times in the NT alone - more than any other doctrine in the NT. It's mentioned in 16 books of the Bible. Also, his first coming there were signs. Days of Noah, there were signs and warnings, Days of Lot, there were warnings. Jesus also rebuked the Pharisees and disciples because they could tell the signs that a storm was coming, but missed the signs of his first coming. ;-)
- Also, very very strong compelling evidence that Christ was born exactly - on Yom Teruah -Feast of Trumpets - Wednesday, Sept 11, 3 BC. **Incredible article on www.Torahcalendar.org
Have to go to work, this will be short, more later...., Every 3 year period has at least one leap year (one blue number) which gives a day count of at least 1260 days. There are two 3 year periods with two leap years, as shown by two blue numbers in each of those 3 year sequences above, and this leads to 1290 days for those 2 periods of 3 years. The prophetic year of 360 days is not the basis for the Metonic Cycle. Converting the lunar year of 354.36 days to the solar calendar of 365.2422 days is the basis. There are 11 days difference each year between the lunar and solar calendar. Over 3 years this amounts to ~ 33 days..... therefore every 3 years, at least one extra month of 30 days is added......hence, every 3 year cycle of 1260 days already has at least one leap year factored in.
This is pretty good, but it is still 3 days off (33-30=3).... .over 10 years, this is significant enough (3 x 10 = 30), that a second leap year has to be added in a 3 year cycle. The Metonic cycle is 19 years, so, every 19 years there are two 3 year intervals with 2 leap years, instead of the 1 leap year that every 3 year cycle contains.
When you multiply 360 x 3 = 1080, you are including a leap year with 30 extra days already, since the purpose of the Metonic cycle is to correct the lunar year of 354 to the solar of 365....... the 1080 number has 30 days of a leap year buried within. Every 3 year interval above has at least one blue number, a leap year, which corrects for the 33 day error which accumulates in that 3 year period |
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Post by Natalie on Oct 6, 2017 7:30:53 GMT -6
I'm not sure I understand what he's trying to say....that the rapture is 50 days after the sign? I could very well be off with this thought, but the Church is not under the Law, so would there need to be a period coinciding with circumcision and uncleanliness? I do understand that there are things going on in the heavens and people are trying to understand how it all fits together. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 8:18:50 GMT -6
I'm not sure I understand what he's trying to say....that the rapture is 50 days after the sign? I could very well be off with this thought, but the Church is not under the Law, so would there need to be a period coinciding with circumcision and uncleanliness? I do understand that there are things going on in the heavens and people are trying to understand how it all fits together. That was a very interesting article! Love his other one as well - rev12daily.blogspot.ca/2017/10/another-conservative-scholar-who.html?m=1 |
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Post by karen on Oct 6, 2017 8:21:22 GMT -6
I'm not sure I understand what he's trying to say....that the rapture is 50 days after the sign? I could very well be off with this thought, but the Church is not under the Law, so would there need to be a period coinciding with circumcision and uncleanliness? I do understand that there are things going on in the heavens and people are trying to understand how it all fits together. Natalie, my best guess is that he is cautiously hoping that there is a Revelation 12:5 connection to the conjunction of Jupiter and Venus. Which is strengthened by it occurring 50 days after the September 23 sign of Revelation 12: 1,2; the same difference between "the most important birth of the head as First fruits from death on the exact Feast of Firstfruits/Resurrection day until the conception/birth of the church of the body on the Feast of Pentecost!" As far as the Church not being under the Law and therefore not requiring the need of a period coinciding with circumcision and uncleanliness, my only (uneducated) guess is to connect it with the conversation between Jesus and John the Baptist at Jesus' request for baptism: The Baptism of Jesus 13At that time Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14But John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?” 15“Let it be so now,” Jesus replied. “It is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness in this way.” Then John permitted Him.… Berean Study Bible · Jesus met all the requirements of the Law, in spite of being sinless. Maybe? |
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