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Post by thetimeoftheend on Oct 5, 2017 15:31:01 GMT -6
So I read Gary and Daniel Watson's articles on Shemini Atzeret , and I must admit they are compelling. I've also watched paulwatchmandawson latest video on the Mars and Venus conjunction now through Saturday, and the timing is certainly right if Gary and Daniel are on to something. That being said, if we've seen the sign of Rev 12:1, and if this conjunction is indeed somehiw the Dragon in Rev 12:3, and we are speculating the potential circumcision of these earthly tabernacles on the 8th to align with Rev 12:5 - what about Rev 12:4? The part where the Dragon sweeps a 3rd part of the stars to the earth? Would we not then expect to see some sort of fulfillment of that between now and the 13th before our speculative departure? If so what form would take? The draconid meteor shower peaks this weekend. Does that play a part? Does it turn out to be far more active and somehow impactful to earth? The word used for stars can either be literal or figurative stars. So if it the figurative sense speaking of angels, are we talking about "contact" with those fallen angels appearing as extra terrestrials? I know that may sound wacky to some readers, but Satan is a deceiver who certainly studies prophecy as well, I am sure he is preparing. In any event, I'm speculating and spit-balling here. I would love to hear other's thoughts. |
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Post by mike on Oct 5, 2017 15:45:22 GMT -6
thetimeoftheend, very possible for sure. It is also possible Satan was thrown from heaven on the 23 (ish) and is beginning to unleash havoc here on Earth. Someplace in the 70th week topic there was a article about what Hillary and Podesta were going to release about their knowledge of aliens (had she won)
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Oct 5, 2017 15:52:35 GMT -6
mike, I saw the Podesta stuff a while back, I personally think fallen angels have been at that for quite some time. I had also thought that maybe Satan had been cast down, but I think that is still to if the preceding hypotheses are correct and these are happening step by step, it will occur after we are caught up, maybe directly after, which I think will be interesting sight to say the least.
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Post by mike on Oct 5, 2017 15:55:37 GMT -6
Oh good cuz I was looking for it and can't seem to find it 😁
Yeah I've been of the opinion that they are simultaneous (rapture/Satan cast) but as I see wickedness more and more I wonder
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Post by linda on Oct 5, 2017 16:17:53 GMT -6
I think Satan and the fallen angels have always been on earth, but they were also able to go back and forth to heaven. What is different is once they are cast out, they can't go back plus they know from prophecy that the end is very close.
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Post by mike on Oct 5, 2017 16:23:31 GMT -6
I think Satan and the fallen angels have always been on earth, but they were also able to go back and forth to heaven. What is different is once they are cast out, they can't go back plus they know from prophecy that the end is very close. I may get in trouble for this but the difference is they are pissed! 😂 Rev 12:17 "And the dragon was wroth..." |
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Post by Natalie on Oct 5, 2017 16:26:37 GMT -6
I found what earthsky.org had to say kind of interesting:
The radiant point for the Draconid meteor shower almost coincides with the head of the constellation Draco the Dragon in the northern sky. That’s why the Draconids are best viewed from the Northern Hemisphere. The Draconid shower is a real oddity, in that the radiant point stands highest in the sky as darkness falls. That means that, unlike many meteor showers, more Draconids are likely to fly in the evening hours than in the morning hours after midnight. This shower is usually a sleeper, producing only a handful of languid meteors per hour in most years. But watch out if the Dragon awakes! In rare instances, fiery Draco has been known to spew forth many hundreds of meteors in a single hour. In 2017, watch the Draconid meteors at nightfall and early evening On October 7 and 8, before the bright waning gibbous moon rises into the sky at early-to-mid evening.
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Post by barb84 on Oct 5, 2017 19:18:54 GMT -6
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Oct 6, 2017 10:12:46 GMT -6
Psalm 19:
1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
3 They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
4 Yet their voice goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.'
These verses have been weighing on me. Lets look at them LITERALLY. Day=speech, Night=knowledge.
Speech = ’ō-mer; which also means promise., but also promise, speech, thing, word, Strong's #562
Knowledge = dā-‘aṯ. which means knowledge, Strong's 1847' Knowledge definition: facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education; the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.
We know that the Great sign was fulfilled during the "day," as the Sun is part of the fulfillment. Is there something in the night sky that reveals the knowledge during this final Feast high watch time? I would say the draconid shower, an event we can see in the night, perhaps. Also, as I advanced the clock on Stellarium, I see the "tail" of the Draco has a sweeping motion, in a way. Is this a way of even knowing the final hours?
I know that Sukkot is underway. Still resting on the heavens to be the Clock... If someone could animate the night sky during Sukkot..wonder what that reveals? my skills at stellarium are profoundly lacking...
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Post by domagb on Oct 21, 2017 14:36:43 GMT -6
A possible understanding... A Third of the Stars has Fallen kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2017/10/21/a-third-of-the-stars-has-fallen/Those following the Rev 12 sign have been searching for the fulfillment of this: Rev 12:3 And another sign was seen in the heavens. And behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads!
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and cast them onto the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman being about to bear, so that when she bears he might devour her child.Many believe this is a key to understanding when the Rapture will take place, because it is actually in verse 5 where the rapture may be taking place:
5 And she bore a son, a male, who is going to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her child was caught up to God and to His throne.I may have been given understanding of this key. And don’t know why I didn’t see this before, well, maybe I do, as it was sealed! Dan 12:4 But you, O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book, even to the time of the end. Many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
9 And He said, Go, Daniel! For the words are closed up and sealed until the end-time.Years ago, I heard/read that in Revelations of the stars are the churches, some said they represent the pastors of the churches, or leaders thereof. Rev 1:20 the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand and the seven golden lampstands. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches.See here: www.gotquestions.org/angels-seven-churches-Revelation.htmlTherefore as I also read by Watchman Nee years ago: According to Watchman Nee in “Aids to ‘Revelation’ “, there are about 30 symbols, and half of them are explained within it’s own text. Lampstands are churches 1:20 Fire, Horns, & Eyes represent the Holy Spirit 4:5 & 5:6 Incense are prayers 8:3-4 The dragon is satan 12:9 Beast is a king 17:12 I discuss this here: www.gospel-kingdom.com/pb/wp_08c542c2/wp_08c542c2.htmlTherefore the third of the stars taken out by the dragons tail, may be church leaders who agree to unify with Rome! As I shared here: kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2017/10/18/oct-31-the-rise-of-the-whore-of-babylon/and here: kingdomgospel.wordpress.com/2017/10/18/oct-31-the-rise-of-the-whore-of-babylon/The Pope may be about to sign a document that will change the course of Christian history and then reveal it to the world that the protest of Protestantism is dead. So we may only be waiting for the final parts of the 1/3 christian leadership to agree with Rome. We already see by reports 1/4 already has! www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/july-24th-2015/the-popes-great-evangelical-gamble/The Holy Father is thinking of signing the text in 2017, the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, alongside Evangelical leaders representing roughly one in four Christians in the world today.Of coarse it is possible that Rome has the 1/3 it needs, and we are just waiting for them to release the document! I have years ago discussed in the revelation God gave me that some Christians have not crossed Jordan just as 2 1/2 tribes of Israel did not do. Seen here: www.gospel-kingdom.com/pb/wp_77b808b0/wp_77b808b0.htmlSo where is the sign in the heavens? I don’t know, that may come later, but I think in this case, it must happen within Church leadership 1st, then later the fallen angels kicked out of heaven and the astrological catastrophes of asteroids. |
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Post by grandpaskitzo on Oct 21, 2017 15:07:49 GMT -6
Reading a lot of those links domagb, and they are quite enlightening. I've always had a similar belief about the Vatican and Catholocism. I encourage everyone else to read these links.
It's all just one more piece of the puzzle that is the beginning of a terrible time on this earth and the fulfillment of prophecy. Everyday I'm stunned by what's happening in the world and how asleep the 'church' is to what's happening all around them.
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Post by whatif on Oct 21, 2017 17:35:20 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum, domagb! Just to help with keeping us from having to make multiple posts if there are replies to your post--since we have numerous dragon threads, and I noticed you posted the same message 3 times--I've gone ahead and deleted one of the others you made and will go ahead and delete the third one, as well. Looks like you have a response here from grandpaskitzo, so we'll keep your post in this thread. It gets hectic sometimes trying to put posts in multiple threads for people, as then everyone else feels like they need to post their replies in all of the threads too.
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Post by domagb on Oct 21, 2017 18:03:59 GMT -6
The World Methodist Council, with its 80.5 million members, unanimous decided to adopted the same agreement with the Catholic Church in 2006.
in 2017 the World Communion of Reformed Churches, representing 80 million members of Congregational, Presbyterian, Reformed, United, Uniting, and Waldensian churches adopted the joint declaration with Rome.
This means we have 1/3 easily, as Catholicism has 1.09 billion, and add the 90.5 million above, the numbers are met. Of coarse we don't have exact numbers, but would guess the 2017 agreement which added 80 million probably ticked off the check box.
Oh and we can't forget 74 million Lutherans.
We are not even counting the churches of Copeland, Osteen, Rick Warren, which also have agreed.
So what does the timing mean then? I think we are just waiting for the Dragon to take down the stars. That is the Pope must reveal the document with the corresponding churches. Must this occur before the rapture? I don't know. But the timing should be close!
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Post by domagb on Oct 21, 2017 21:10:50 GMT -6
Found an interesting source for confirmation: www.godfire.net/tail.htmlThere are also those who play upon the temptations of others (II Tim. 3:1-6). These who are doing this drawing are referred to as the tail of the dragon in Revelation twelve, and for confirmation we can read Isa. 9:15-16: "The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail. For the leaders of the people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed." |
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 22, 2017 7:02:12 GMT -6
Hello Domagb,
Welcome to the forum - It's so nice to have you, my fellow watchman. ;-)
I understand that on forums like these, lots of us speculate on different topics - which is fun and fine. Who's gonna win the superbowl? who are the two witnesses? what day is the rapture? What does the Sept 23 alignment mean? Is the AC Jewish? Why or why not.
I do this myself ;-) - and most everyone - we understand that we are sharing ideas - and get input and feedback. We should be mindful of the fact that it's one thing to throw out a hypothesis, but we should also avoid Eisegesis - this means reading something into the text that is not there, or was never there. One of the basic principles of solid Biblical Interpretation is "If it seems to make literal sense, seek no other sense, or it will be nonsense." Of course if it's Poetry/ Wisdom literature, we can't take prose and make it literal. Here's the Issue at hand - The First part of Revelations is Epistles - like Romans, Colossians, or I Corinthians - in other words - they are letters to real churches in real cities. In the verse above - "Rev 1:20 the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand and the seven golden lampstands. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches." John tells us explicitly what the stars are - and what the lampstands are. They are the angels of the seven churches. [The real churches with real people in the very next verse] Another basic principle of Biblical interpretation is that we have to look at the Context -
- Historical Context,
- Grammatical Context and
- Literary Context - Genre of Literature. Who wrote it and to whom was it written??
The Context tells us in the very next verse. ***Remember that chapter divisions were not added until the 13th century. Original text was all one letter, without chapters or verses. These are the seven real churches in Central Asia, in Revelations 2-3. Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia & Laodicea.
I understand it's a hypothesis, and it's worth exploring. As for the stars and dragon, in Revel 12, this passage is Not Epistles - and represent something else. What exactly - we're not sure. :-) I think it's black and white from harmonizing scripture that the dragon is Satan, the evil one, but we didn't see 1/3 of the stars fall. Blessings. Disciple4life
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