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Post by boraddict on Oct 6, 2019 12:00:03 GMT -6
Oh, sorry about that. Aviv is the ancient Hebrew name for the 1st month Nissan. It is the same month but different name. Also, the Savior was in the tomb on 14 Nissan as I have shown in my previous post. He was killed before the high day (14 Nissan); the Jews demanded that.
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 6, 2019 15:17:58 GMT -6
Oh, sorry about that. Aviv is the ancient Hebrew name for the 1st month Nissan. It is the same month but different name. Also, the Savior was in the tomb on 14 Nissan as I have shown in my previous post. He was killed before the high day (14 Nissan); the Jews demanded that. Your timeline doesn't work, as I have shown from the last post, but the troubling part is that it doesn't fit with a clear reading of scripture regarding the dates of Passover and Feast of Unleavened bread. - Also, according to your timeline, you have Christ rising from the dead one day earlier than what is clearly written in scripture. ?? Borradict "7th night / day of the week was Friday sundown to Saturday sundown, and the major event for this weekly sabath night was that the Savior resurrected (Friday night / Saturday morning before daylight). 17 Nissan / 1 May"
The Bible says that it was the beginning of the first day of the week, - Mary went to the tomb as the Sabbath was ending, - this is Saturday night. When they got there it was still dark. Saturday night, / Sunday morning, but he had already risen.
Matthew 28:1 American Standard Version (ASV)
28 Now late on the sabbath day, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
The High Holiday was Feast of Unleavened Bread, - the day after Passover.
Christ was crucificed on Passover, which was Preparation day for Feast of Unleavened Bread.
I don't want to seem to be hostile, or combative, but scripture tells us clearly that Passover is Nissan 14 and that Feast of Unleavened Bread is Nisan 15.
I don't see how you get these days , unless you're maybe referring to the sliver of time after sunset? This would be 15th of Nissan.
Could you give some scripture or something that can support your hypothesis??
Cheers, Maranatha.
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Post by boraddict on Oct 7, 2019 7:45:55 GMT -6
Thank you diciple4life.
Okay, so the sabath day had passed and it was beginning to dawn toward the first day of the week (Matt. 28:1). That is, Friday sundown to Saturday sundown had passed, (that being the sabath), and the first night of the week was passing which was Saturday sundown to Sunday sunup. It follows that the first day of the week beginning at sunup was approaching, because, the first night of the week was passing.
That is, according to Matt. 28:1, KJV, "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn" meaning that the weekly sabath had ended and now it was the first night of the week; and dawning to become the first day of the week.
It is not correct to say that "the sabath ended as the day was beginning to dawn." No, the sabath ended at Saturday sundown and Matt. 28:1 is set after that, in the first night of the week.
Thus, the first night of the week was passing (Saturday sundown to Sunday sunup) and it was dawning to become the first day of the week: Sunday sunup to Sunday sundown.
Thus, the Savior resurrected during the first night of the week which was Saturday sundown to Sunday sunup.
I am going back to add this to my previous post and make corrections. I noticed that I need to make several corrections.
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Post by stormyknight on Oct 7, 2019 10:18:29 GMT -6
for clarity: The word used in Matthew 28:1 is "epiphóskó". It is:A form of epiphauo; to begin to grow light. Having grown up on a farm and been a farmer myself, I have been up before the sun many many times. When it begins to grow light in the East, depending on the time of year, it is usually 3:00-4:00 in the morning. There is usually still a couple of hours to go before the sun rises. Having said that, the chapter states that an angel met the women at the tomb and opened it for them and then told them that Jesus was not there. No where does it say when Jesus rose from the dead. We know from chapter 27 that He "yielded up His Spirit" at about the ninth hour (3:00p.m.). Those who were there had only three hours to ask for the body of Jesus, find some burial shrouds and take our Lord's body to the tomb. Probably not an easy task. My guess is that He was laid in the tomb just as the sunset, giving those doing the work time to clean up and get home. I really don't think the Almighty Creator would cause anyone to do work for Him on a Sabbath that He instituted. So, three days and three nights later, or three nights and three days later, Jesus would have rose from the dead, probably at sunset on the weekly Sabbath, so that the tomb would have been empty for about nine to ten hours before the women got there. In my mind, none of this contradicts scripture. It's more of filling in the blanks.
edit: to add a little to what they had to do... After they asked for the body, they would have had to take Him down. I'm sure that would have been a gruesome task given the state of His body. A lot of wincing and grimacing. Possibly even some vomiting. Being covered in His blood, etc etc. They had a tough job and not much time to do it in.
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Post by disciple4life on Oct 7, 2019 14:19:52 GMT -6
Thank you diciple4life. Okay, so the sabath day had passed and it was beginning to dawn toward the first day of the week (Matt. 28:1). That is, Friday sundown to Saturday sundown had passed, (that being the sabath), and the first night of the week was passing which was Saturday sundown to Sunday sunup. It follows that the first day of the week beginning at sunup was approaching, because, the first night of the week was passing. That is, according to Matt. 28:1, KJV, "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn" meaning that the weekly sabath had ended and now it was the first night of the week; and dawning to become the first day of the week. It is not correct to say that "the sabath ended as the day was beginning to dawn." No, the sabath ended at Saturday sundown and Matt. 28:1 is set after that, in the first night of the week. Thus, the first night of the week was passing (Saturday sundown to Sunday sunup) and it was dawning to become the first day of the week: Sunday sunup to Sunday sundown. Thus, the Savior resurrected during the first night of the week which was Saturday sundown to Sunday sunup. I am going back to add this to my previous post and make corrections. I noticed that I need to make several corrections. Hello Boraddict,
Thanks for clarifying in this last post. This makes sense. I really don't mean to be combative, or hostile. Please accept my sincere apologies, if it felt that way. You can understand my concern due to the mis-type.
Part of the blessings of this forum is that we share ideas, and other watchmen challenge us and sharpen us. ;-) Part of the downside is communicating on a comment forum is that so much is lost, facial expressions, smiles, head nodding in agreement, thumbs up, and voice inflection. ;-)
You've clarified the part about the resurrection being sometime after sunset on Saturday, the end of the Weekly Sabbath. 
I'm still confused as to why you have Christ being crucified on Tuesday - 13th of Nissan. This also doesn't work on several levels. It makes me think it was also a typo - mis-type. 
It would mean Christ didn't fulfill Passover precisely. It also directly contradicts scripture because we know he was crucified on Passover - Preparation for the High Sabbath of Feast of Unleavened bread. It also directly changes the resurrection - which then contradicts clear scripture.
We agree on the resurrection , and we agree on the three days and three nights. So this means Wednesday Passover Crucifixion - with the Passover lambs, at twilight. 'Between the evenings' on 14th of Nisan.
This also matches what you stated about 10th of Nisan and Entry into Jerusalem on Saturday. A Tuesday Crucifixion doesn't match.
Blessings, my sister.
With all the stuff in the news lately, and the elections in Israel, and the political upheaval here, I sure would love to have a Harpazo event at Day of Atonement. ;-)
I would be in line for sure to ask Jesus about how and when Feast of Trumpets was fulfilled, but I've been waiting for that huge bacon cheeseburger in the sky with mike, kjs and stormyknight. LOL>
That could be a thread. Anyone? Beuler??
Disciple4life.
Maranatha.
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Post by boraddict on Oct 7, 2019 20:55:56 GMT -6
I made the corrections to the Passion Week timeline (previous post) and it should be close to being correct.
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