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Post by disciple4life on Jan 27, 2020 19:32:16 GMT -6
Since Trump doesn't fit the qualifications for the AC, what are the possible ways this could play out? I would love to get the take of others on this also boymaker.
I'm sure there must be dozens of scenarios. I think the one which would be the best for us as Christians has zero chance of actually playing out.
By that I mean, the one that would be the Jews get permission to build a temple on or near the Temple mount.
But for that, they would have to give something huge - like land to the people that hate them.
The Jordanian arabs want Isreal's land and all the Jews pushed into the sea. They would settle for the West Bank and Gaza Strip and Golan Heights, and to be declared as a nation state.
***Anytime we as Christians hear or read phrases like "Occupied Territory" - or "Two State Solution" or Palestinians, we should recognize this for the anti-Semitic propaganda that it is.
I don't see this scenario with the temple, without declaring a so-called "Palestinian state" and this would be suicide for Trump and Netanyahu. A temple would mean that tens of millions of pre-trib Christians re-calculate, or we start looking for the start of the start of the Ezek 38 War.
I don't see Trump giving any land at all - because he would lose the evangelical vote and he desperately needs that to be re-elected.
So . . . the question is - what are the implications for us, and prophetically, if the plan gives no land to the Jordanian Arabs (Faux-lestinians) and no temple.
Is it just back to business as usual. The Arabs are going to reject it.
Then, we just go back to discussing our different theories of when we think the rapture could be, and why? We are fast approaching the upper window of the Generation of 70 years mentioned in scripture and "80 years by reason of strength"
I think the world system hates everyone who stands with Isreal.
Scripture says that no one will stand with Isreal.
Pastor J D Farag makes the great point that this is because the world's greatest superpower, will be reeling with the shock and loss of so many congressmen and Military officers, admirals, generals, and airline pilots, military forces and police officers because of the rapture -- the country will be in total anarchy and dealing with the chaos of all the millions of missing people and they will have to get their official story straight with the leaders of the world.
IMHO, we watch the world news, and keep waiting for Yom Teruah, Day of Shouting [Feast of Trumpets]
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Post by mike on Jan 27, 2020 19:42:51 GMT -6
D4L what if the issue is not missing politicians, military and the like but rather a civil uprising, where America is first. Just want to make sure keep thinking outside the box
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Post by disciple4life on Jan 28, 2020 9:42:26 GMT -6
Natalie, Gary, disciple4life, yardstick, sog, boymaker, Good article on the main page by Gary, about this very topic. In the comments, several people are expressing awe, excitement, euphoria, thankful that this was foretold in scripture, and now it's happening. Isn't this making a huge assumption that Trump's plan is the same one as the covenant for 7 years in Daniel, which most believe is the pact which the Anti-Christ breaks. ?? I mean, that is assuming that this plan that starts the dominoes, or lights the fuse?? Am I missing something??? sog, mike, Natalie, yardstick, barbiosheepgirl, bondservant, @bora, others, can you connect the dots? There is one brother who has done tons of study and research and makes amazing videos. He is convinced that this plan divides Jerusalem, and ushers in the rapture. Is this from a prophecy, or what scripture is used to show that if, hypothetically, the deal divides Israel and gives land to the Jordanian Arabs, this is some sort of fuse - or catalyst for the tribulation?? Please feel free to explain it to me in basic form. I learn a lot from you all, and I don't have a grasp on this. I am aware as Mike mentioned in the shout box, that different Christians have different views on the timing of the rapture or where it happens chronologically in terms of the Tribulation. How would we know if this is at all connected with the Daniel 7 years? Or is this just setting the stage? I think sog, you referred to that. ?? Disciple4life
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Post by mike on Jan 28, 2020 9:50:56 GMT -6
D4L - more along the lines of this being another step towards the PACT/TREATY/COVENANT than the actual covenant
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Post by Natalie on Jan 28, 2020 11:11:21 GMT -6
What Mike said.
I think it is exciting only because of everything else going on world wide. To me, the peace treaty doesn't mean a whole lot prophetically without all the other signs. But it shows how ready Israel is to make peace with many.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 11:16:15 GMT -6
I think it may be a precursor. Perhaps it whets the appetite. I was delighted to hear that "Peace and security" is a term used by Bibi for many years. He used it with a previous president. Perhaps he will be the one who reaches out to the AC.
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Post by Beloved on Jan 28, 2020 12:12:34 GMT -6
Trump is giving Eastern Jerusalem to the Palestinians. Truly it has been written, "I will enter into judgment with them there, on behalf of my people and my heritage Israel, because they have scattered them among the nations and have divided up my land." (ESV). America already has the blood of millions of babes on her hands; I shudder to contemplate her judgement, now that she spits again in her Maker's face. God, please help us.
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Post by Natalie on Jan 28, 2020 12:22:34 GMT -6
I have been following Amir's comments on social media...
Israel gains sovereignty over the Jordan Valley and large parts of Judea and Samaria.
East Jerusalem is not near the old city of Jerusalem and is far north east where only Palestinians live anyway. (So it sounds like a separate city and not a dividing of Jerusalem. Like in central Illinois we have Peoria and East Peoria, two separate cities. I'd have to go look at a map of Israel.)
No evacuation of Israeli settlements.
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Post by Beloved on Jan 28, 2020 12:23:32 GMT -6
While these verses originally spoke of Edom, I think they are appropriate for these people who are trying to crush Israel out of existence. "Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there: Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee. And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume. Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them. Thus saith the Lord GOD; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate." (Ez. 35:10-14). Natalie Still, it does indeed divide the land of Israel. I suppose God shall do what is best with this new situation; He knows what He is doing.
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Post by Natalie on Jan 28, 2020 12:30:02 GMT -6
Beloved , I do understand; giving the Palestinians land inside Israel's borders would be dividing the land. I just didn't want misinformation on Jerusalem. It also sounds like it would be 4 years before the land would actually be divided. The Palestinians would have to do certain things to move toward statehood. Like disarm Hamas. From what I am reading, Israel is still going to have military control over the land given to the Palestinians, although the Palestinians could provide security like their own policemen, just not military.
And I agree...it's God's land. They can't just give it to other people groups; it's not really theirs to give away.
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Post by mike on Jan 28, 2020 12:57:59 GMT -6
Trump is giving Eastern Jerusalem to the Palestinians. Truly it has been written, "I will enter into judgment with them there, on behalf of my people and my heritage Israel, because they have scattered them among the nations and have divided up my land." (ESV). America already has the blood of millions of babes on her hands; I shudder to contemplate her judgement, now that she spits again in her Maker's face. God, please help us. That is not what he said though. He said Jerusalem would be capital of Israel. Later he said the Palestinian (Leprechaun) capital would be in east Jerusalem. He did not say they would have the land unless I missed that piece.
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Post by sog on Jan 28, 2020 13:02:40 GMT -6
One thing that Netanyahu said so far that struck me. www.unsealed.org/2020/01/the-deal-of-century-revealed-watch-it.htmlNetanyahu - 11:40 - "This is a historic day, and we remember another historic day... May 14, 1948... and down [through] the decades and down [through] the centuries, this day, January 28, 2020, will be remembered as the day you became the first world leader to recognize Israel's sovereignty over areas in Judea and Samaria..." January 28, 2020. 10/28/2020 = Daniel Matson's theory on "Get on the Ark day". 9 months. Gestation time of a baby. Reference back to the 9/23/2017 sign and rapture? 3 years and a little over a month from then until 10/28/2020. January 23, 2020 = 70 years since Israel declared Jerusalem it's Capitol and 40 weeks until 10/28/2020. Day's of Noah? watchfortheday.org/18jan2020.html
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Post by socalexile on Jan 28, 2020 15:13:45 GMT -6
Anyone else catch the term "new dawn" that Trump stated the deal will bring?
Reminded of the Protocols of the Golden Dawn, which seem to be on track.
Well, let's get this over with, what comes after is gonna be great.
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Post by mike on Jan 29, 2020 7:17:07 GMT -6
Anyone else catch the term "new dawn" that Trump stated the deal will bring? Reminded of the Protocols of the Golden Dawn, which seem to be on track. Well, let's get this over with, what comes after is gonna be great. I did not notice him say that, but it is exciting watching things get closer
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Post by disciple4life on Jan 30, 2020 19:32:59 GMT -6
Mahmud Abbas' response was "1000 No's". Joel Rosenberg laughed in his interview and said "so there is a chance?".
I wonder how this affects things? The Leprechauns don't accept the plan that offers them land and statehood.
Hmm. Since they already speak Arabic- the official language of Jordan, and their parents and siblings are from Jordan and already have Jordanian passports, maybe they could get a state and a flag and become a nation in Jordan where there's like 1000 times more land. 🤔 Oh, wait.😉
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