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Post by Gary on Apr 8, 2019 15:52:48 GMT -6
Starting a thread that anyone can post updates and links to covering tomorrow's election.
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Post by Gary on Apr 8, 2019 15:54:35 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Apr 8, 2019 17:22:51 GMT -6
Random thought .. what if Gantz wins? What happens to the peace deal? Rejected? Strengthened?
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Apr 8, 2019 17:24:39 GMT -6
agreed, what are we to understand is the point?
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Post by Gary on Apr 8, 2019 22:13:32 GMT -6
Gantz seems more inclined towards a division of land, imho. On the other hand, there is talk that the upcoming deal may turn the two-state solution on its head. I suspect Netanyahu will pull through even if Gantz' party wins a few more seats just because Bibi might have an easier path towards forming a coalition.
Waiting with bated breath!
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Post by Gary on Apr 9, 2019 9:31:22 GMT -6
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Post by kjs on Apr 9, 2019 12:05:42 GMT -6
This is not a change of topic ....
Just wanted to "clue everyone in" that Israel Election Day is a National Holiday!
(so much so -- that Many citizens "go to the beach" on election day (why not polls open 7AM to 10PM).....
In fact one of the Articles -- refer to above show Netanyahu decided not get into his beach wear cause it (the article) says he is worried.....
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While I am part of the group which favors a National Holiday for Presidential Elections -- I too suspect many would simply turn it into a Beach day as well.... Really do not understand how people feel free to complain about their Government and Leaders -- yet -- at the same time cannot be bothered to VOTE!!
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But like I said I have no wish to change topic..... just wanted to highlight Israel's Holiday!
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Post by kjs on Apr 9, 2019 12:09:44 GMT -6
Just FYI -- Here eastern time is 2:09pm and in Israel Tuesday, April 9, 2019, 9:09 PM -- less than hour before poll closures......
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Post by Adda717 on Apr 9, 2019 12:20:01 GMT -6
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Post by Adda717 on Apr 9, 2019 12:43:57 GMT -6
Don't mean to spam the board but I thought I would finally register for an account after lurking for so long. So about my previous post, I just found out it is customary for Israeli parties to claim they are losing at the end. So... that article pretty much means nothing.
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Post by Gary on Apr 9, 2019 13:25:51 GMT -6
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Post by Natalie on Apr 9, 2019 14:43:43 GMT -6
Amir posted on Facebook that the exit polls are too close to call.
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Post by sog on Apr 9, 2019 15:05:09 GMT -6
Hmmm... May have to wait a bit longer for peace plan, if you can believe any politician anymore. But it's not over. Trust in God's perfect plan. www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/senior-palestinian-official-says-israelis-voted-no-to-peace/Senior Palestinian official says Israelis voted ‘no to peace’ A senior Palestinian official says Israelis had voted “no to peace” after exit polls following the country’s general election showed its left-wing parties were badly defeated. “Israelis have voted to preserve the status quo. They have said no to peace and yes to the occupation,” senior Palestinian official Saeb Erekat says in a statement. The exit polls showed right-wing Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and centrist challenger Benny Gantz neck and neck after the election.
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Post by Gary on Apr 10, 2019 8:37:10 GMT -6
The results are in and Netanyahu appears to have handily won the election, his party picking up 5 seats vs. 2015. Furthermore both of the conservative religious parties picked up seats, coming in #3 and #4 overall, and demonstrating that while the world is becoming increasingly secular, Israel is becoming more religious. In 2015 Netanyahu's Likud and their conservative partners garnered only 51 seats, requiring the 10 seats of moderate Kulanu to form a government (61 is the bare majority). This go around his conservative partners won 56 seats, allowing the incoming conservative coalition to join with either or both of Kulanu or Yisrael Beiteinu (Beiteinu is very conservative, but its party head tends to jockey for power, making coalition deals difficult). Kulanu has already declared support for Netanyahu, meaning that he now has 60 seats locked and Beiteinu will likely be in tow for 65. With a number of parties already declared, the center/center-left is maxed out at 55 seats and has no chance of forming a government.
Take Aways:
1. Netanyahu's position is strengthened for a number of reasons: first, because conservatives (minus Beiteinu) won 56 seats (a 5 seat gain over 2015); second, because a difficult coalition partner Naftali Bennett is gone (New Right in the image below), which gives Bibi greater freedom to form the government of his choosing; third, Likud's own 5 seat gain and coming in #1 in total votes, strengthens his political legitimacy as he will soon be dealing with multiple indictments; and fourth, the liberal and Arab parties performed abysmally last night (only 20 seats!). Of prophetic and historical interest, because of the win Netanyahu will become the longest-serving Prime Minister of Israel in the country's history this summer, beating out the country's founder, David Ben-Gurion. David was the first to serve, perhaps Bibi will be the last.
2. The Trump-Kushner peace plan unveil moves forward. This deal has been personally negotiated with Netanyahu, and news is percolating out that Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Egypt are on-board. What's more, the deal is likely a significant shift from the traditional, 1967-borders two-state solution. Had Gantz won, all bets would be off, and, at the very least, the deal would have to be postponed for awhile for U.S. officials to meet with and negotiate with Gantz and his team.
3. The results hint that we are going to witness some major changes this year: first of all, the peace deal reveal, of course; second, with both ultra-Orthodox religious parties coming in #3 and #4, you can expect to see some of the top positions in the Israeli government held by Jewish zealots (what might that mean for the status quo on settlements, the Temple Mount, and even a Third Temple?); third, Netanyahu has recently been campaigning on unilateral annexation of certain settled areas of the West Bank—we could very soon be witnessing Israel growing for the first time since it annexed the Golan Heights in 1981.
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Post by kjs on Apr 10, 2019 9:04:28 GMT -6
So Israel has a very peculiar government (though they probably say that about USA).....
So the two largest parties came in with 35 seats each -- (Blue and White & Likud) -- pretty much being a tie ... showing that "there" Like "here" is a divided (almost 50/50) country.
The Religious Right (conservative) parties have chosen (or seem to have chosen) to stick with Netanyahu -- meaning he will move into his fifth year.
The thing is Netanyahu has "promised" some things that are bound to tick off many countries (One being the Golan Heights area) ....
In Ezekiel 38: 3 and say, Thus says the Lord Yahweh: Behold, I am against you, Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal: 4 and I will turn you around, and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, with all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armor, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them handling swords;
WHAT IF (just speculation here) -- "the Hooks" being spoken about in the above verse --- "are the actions that Netanyahu will be getting his government to do in the near future....
NOT making predictions .... BUT if we make it through 2019 -- I will be surprised.........
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