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Post by outofthefog on Jan 22, 2020 9:12:00 GMT -6
This is a first for me, posting on this discussion board. Has anyone seen any posts or discussion on the April 4-5 event that is coming up, Venus arising into Pleiades? I would be interested in viewing what is being said about this. 2 Peter 1:19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
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Post by mike on Jan 22, 2020 9:22:41 GMT -6
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Post by Gary on Jan 22, 2020 9:42:20 GMT -6
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Post by outofthefog on Jan 22, 2020 9:54:42 GMT -6
I will check those out. Thanks. A big prophecy question I have is: If the tribulation ends with Christ's return to fulfill the fall feasts, I see then two options for the rapture. 1. we will be raptured in the fall and the 7 years begins immediately. Or 2. we can be raptured any time but then there has to be a gap between the rapture and the start of the tribulation. Any thoughts, articles on this?
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Post by mike on Jan 22, 2020 11:55:51 GMT -6
I will check those out. Thanks. A big prophecy question I have is: If the tribulation ends with Christ's return to fulfill the fall feasts, I see then two options for the rapture. 1. we will be raptured in the fall and the 7 years begins immediately. Or 2. we can be raptured any time but then there has to be a gap between the rapture and the start of the tribulation. Any thoughts, articles on this? We have discussed these topics in several threads through the forum. you check some of those discussions in The Rapture category From your questions it appears you hold to a 'pre-trib' rapture view. With prophecy being future no one can/should ascertain (beyond doubt) that the rapture has to happen first. Exploring other views on the topic have helped to understand the possibilities of how things may unfold which could differ from what I was previously instructed Some continue to watch for a fall feast fulfillment. I have learned that Christ was very likely born on Tabernacles and potentially fulfilled that feast with His birth. If that feast were already fulfilled, we'd only be waiting for Trumpets and/or the Day of Atonement (possibly both-I do recall trumpets may have been fulfilled. if i can recall the information I will post back) While many feel the end times will shape up as something like 1. rapture - kicks off the 70th week of Daniel (Jacobs trouble) 2. 7 years of tribulation on earth 3. Christ returns to rule and reign There are others who view the above as a distinct possibility, yet also consider other possibilities like 1. there is and always has been tribulation. However there will be 'Great Tribulation' such as the world has never seen - but this does not have to occur after the rapture 2. The rapture, like the flood, would mean Christians could go through the tribulation (like Noah) yet be rescued out of it/through it - this could happen anywhere during the tribulation (to which the duration has also come into questions as to being 3.5 or 7 years)
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 15, 2020 21:04:16 GMT -6
This is a first for me, posting on this discussion board. Has anyone seen any posts or discussion on the April 4-5 event that is coming up, Venus arising into Pleiades? I would be interested in viewing what is being said about this. 2 Peter 1:19 We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. hello outofthefog Welcome to the forum. We're glad you found us! 😉 Mike pointed you to Paul watchman Dawson. He really does incredible stuff- lots of research and stellar graphics. His latest one is exactly over thurs topic specifically. It's very good. I think the title is "4/4 the door". I'll try to copy the exact link. His site is on YouTube. Revelationchapter12dotcom. Chuck Nelson is also a gold-mine of research. I am of the persuasion you mentioned regarding the timing in the fall and corresponding to the fall feasts in order and occurring on the dates. There are a lot of good threads i think you will enjoy. Look forward to hearing your thoughts. Disciple4Life
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Post by inaweofhim on Mar 16, 2020 11:22:15 GMT -6
Hi Unsealed family, I had watched Paul's latest video (REVELATIONCHAPTER12dotCOM) on 4/the Door/Dalet and a possible scenario of Rapture on/around 4/4/2020. This morning, as I was reading Galations in my qt, I came across Gal 4:4 - and it seared through my heart and spirit! (NASB) But when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,Fulness of the time?! Abba Father sending forth His Son?! It was and is a powerful statement!
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 16, 2020 15:30:07 GMT -6
I will check those out. Thanks. A big prophecy question I have is: If the tribulation ends with Christ's return to fulfill the fall feasts, I see then two options for the rapture. 1. we will be raptured in the fall and the 7 years begins immediately. Or 2. we can be raptured any time but then there has to be a gap between the rapture and the start of the tribulation. Any thoughts, articles on this? outofthefog,
Here is the link for the most recent one. The one that mike has sent, - that link is also by Paul Watchman Dawson, but I haven't got a chance to see that one. This one is specifically dealing with the Door, and 04/04 - and the astronomical alignment of Venus and the seven stars -Pleiades. Spelling??
If for some reason this doesn't open, the Title of the video is 4/4 -[Daleth symbol]- The Door. Go to You-Tube and then type in Revelationchapter12dotCOM It's the very first one at the top.
Disciple4life
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Post by bruce on Mar 19, 2020 6:49:08 GMT -6
I find the sign of Venus entering the Pleiades intriguing, but one thing that keeps bothering me is that Venus is both the Morning Star and the Evening Star depending on which time of day it appears. The Bible describes Jesus as the Morning Star (Revelation 2:28 and 22:16). If I am not mistaken, when Venus enters the Pleiades it will be the Evening Star, not the Morning Star. Does that change anything regarding the significance of this sign?
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Post by bondservant on Mar 19, 2020 9:00:17 GMT -6
I find the sign of Venus entering the Pleiades intriguing, but one thing that keeps bothering me is that Venus is both the Morning Star and the Evening Star depending on which time of day it appears. The Bible describes Jesus as the Morning Star (Revelation 2:28 and 22:16). If I am not mistaken, when Venus enters the Pleiades it will be the Evening Star, not the Morning Star. Does that change anything regarding the significance of this sign? This is a very good question.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Mar 19, 2020 10:25:34 GMT -6
bruce , bondservant , He answers this point about the upcoming conjunction in the EVENING, why and history and scripture scripture scripture, get out a notepad.. I would like to point out that this video was made last fall? At time 1:14:22 in the video he says yes, we are seeing earthquakes and fires, BUT NOT SCORES OF PEOPLE DYING.... He referenced this inlight of being Pre-trib. obviously there seems to be scores of people dying lately... but I say we can stand strong in light of anything around us right? Be of good courage for He has overcome the world... For me what is undeniable is the stellar clock Above. It can not lie. The Bethlehem Star video out out years ago had a similar talk about the Maji etc. It makes me want to view that again inlight of this video. And so in this video paul shows how Venus is two star "types" depending on if rising into the Day or setting into the night. And the "mystery" contained within the words of Jesus in Luke 13:34 was enlightening..it may not seem like it was mysterious to anyone, but the metaphor behind it... Furthermore, those who feel that Jesus was born on FoT? Heavenly Clock says so. Also, Passover a location of rapture event making more sense based on the heavenly clock, too. the end of the video is like the feeling when Scotty or those who did, discovered something about 9/23/17... Keep in mind that although the Heavens are declaring, we may still remain in this state yet for a little while. We know the time is at hand, right at the door...the heavens are declaring it. How long from the declaration? we have debated that since 9/24/17...
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 19, 2020 10:43:09 GMT -6
I find the sign of Venus entering the Pleiades intriguing, but one thing that keeps bothering me is that Venus is both the Morning Star and the Evening Star depending on which time of day it appears. The Bible describes Jesus as the Morning Star (Revelation 2:28 and 22:16). If I am not mistaken, when Venus enters the Pleiades it will be the Evening Star, not the Morning Star. Does that change anything regarding the significance of this sign?
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 19, 2020 10:47:13 GMT -6
Good question/ point Bruce. It's interesting that at the same time its evening in Jerusalem, its morning on the west coast. And conversely, the same time its morning in the central US, heartland its evening in Nepal, parts of Asia. I thought it interesting that the same planet/ star could br the evening star and the morning star at the same time.
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Post by Solo on Mar 19, 2020 11:37:06 GMT -6
disciple4life, outofthefog, The sign on April 3-4, 2020 lands exactly on Nissan 10, arguably the most important day in Biblical history. The day Jesus declared Himself the Messiah, and the day the Israelites crossed the river Jordan. If that is not a perfect picture of the church at the rapture I don't know what is? But Jesus said Himself, I am the bright and morning star. Yes evening on parts of the earth but the sign is still very credible being that it land directly on Nissan 10, and Venus is right in the Pleiades.
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Post by bondservant on Mar 19, 2020 13:56:38 GMT -6
I did some research to find out when Venus will begin to be visible during the morning and was surprised at what I found. The best time to view Venus in the morning sky in 2020 will come between the time of its greatest brilliancy on July 10 and its greatest angular distance (western elongation) from the sun on Aug. 13. On the former date, it will again shine at a dazzling magnitude of -4.7. www.space.com/39240-when-to-see-planets-in-the-sky.htmlThe Seventeenth of Tammuz is a Jewish fast day commemorating the breach of the walls of Jerusalem before the destruction of the Second Temple. It falls on the 17th day of the 4th Hebrew month of Tammuz and marks the beginning of the three-week mourning period leading up to Tisha B'Av. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_of_Tammuz
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