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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Mar 19, 2020 15:47:00 GMT -6
bruce , bondservant , disciple4life , Solo , Paul answers this Venus at night thing with historical background, not having to do with different time zones. Venus in April is following the sun. Of course in July it would rise with the sun. There is scriptural identity to The Morning Star (which is following the sun setting) and Paul explains it in the video. There are two forms of Venus appearing: The Maji saw it in the morning sky, IN THE EAST. This is also referred to as the phosphorus star, meaning Bringer of Light. When the planet is setting after the sun it is referred to as Hesperus, which means Dawn. So this conjunction into the setting sun (NIGHT) will be the same thing Jerusalem sees Nissan 10, but the significance of this is that this is WEST sky depiction and He explains that is because if you face north, west is on your left but with Jesus facing back at you , the Pleides would be in His Right Hand. As compared to what the Maji saw for His Birth. 20“As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
This is what validates the Gospel in the Stars (not referring to the book but just looking up) to what is spoken of in Rev, and frankly in many other places paul shows in the video... This whole video actually makes the phrase "thief in the night" a little more interesting....
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 19, 2020 15:59:54 GMT -6
disciple4life , outofthefog , The sign on April 3-4, 2020 lands exactly on Nissan 10, arguably the most important day in Biblical history. The day Jesus declared Himself the Messiah, and the day the Israelites crossed the river Jordan. If that is not a perfect picture of the church at the rapture I don't know what is? But Jesus said Himself, I am the bright and morning star. Yes evening on parts of the earth but the sign is still very credible being that it land directly on Nissan 10, and Venus is right in the Pleiades.
Hello Solo ! I first wanted to say welcome to the forum- we're so glad you found this community. I have a question- I think I'm tracking with you, but thought you could clarify. I'm not arguing- just asking for clarification.
I agree 110% that Nisan 10 is very important and grossly ignored/ overlooked by the vast majority of Christians. You said on this day Christ declared he was the Messiah. - I presume by this you mean he symbolically showed himself to be the Messiah on the day the lambs were selected and presented when he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey Saturday Nisan 10 ?? Amiright? So in other words, are you alluding to the entry into Jerusalem, or maybe you meant something totally different.
He actually declared he was the Messiah when the religious leaders asked him to give them a sign to prove that he was the Messiah- and he did! In fact the only sign that he gave as proof that He was indeed the Messiah, was the sign of Jonah- and he quoted from Jonah - just as Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the great fish, so He would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights."
***But there's no record or any indication that made this declaration on 10th of Nisan. So we have a literal declaration - with no date given, and a symbolic declaration when He was presented as the spotless Passover lamb, when he entered Jerusalem on Nisan 10.
Regarding the most perfect picture of the church at the rapture- I have to respectfully disagree.
The most perfect picture of the church at the rapture is on the feast that "No One Knows the Day or Hour, aka the Day of Shouting, aka the "Last Trumpet" aka the day Jews everywhere know as the Wedding of the Messiah, and the "Coronation of the King" and the Day when the Door of Heaven is Opened - and the mind-numbing fact that God put this -- [all these things are the same day- Rosh Hashanah/ Feast ofTrumpets] in the Hebrew customs and culture thousands of years ago- as a rehearsal for the real event. And we get to see and experience the live event.
Maranatha! I would be totally fine if I'm wrong and He comes with a Shout for his Bride on Nisan 10!! I'll buy everyone bacon cheese burgers and sweet tea. If anyone doesn't like sweet tea or bacon cheese burgers, I'm sure mike, or kjs or boraddict would be happy to help a brother out.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Mar 19, 2020 17:41:13 GMT -6
disciple4life , just curious here. I did w Wikipedia read on Passover. I was looking for certain things surrounding the Feast. Keeping in mind this: 20But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. 22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
23But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, 24then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
Passover involves this: Passover was a spring festival that was connected to the offering of the " first-fruits of the barley", as barley was the first grain to ripen and to be harvested in the Land of Israel. Four days before the Exodus, the Hebrews were commanded to set aside a lamb (Exodus 12:3), and inspect it daily for blemishes. During the day on the 14th of Nisan, they were to slaughter the animal and use its blood to mark their lintels and door posts. Before midnight on the 15th of Nisan they were to consume the lamb. I wrote that for you to see what I was reading, not that you wouldn't know because I already know you are way more educated in the Feasts than I. Here is another event: 4These are the ones who have not been defiled with women, for they have kept themselves chaste. These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These have been purchased from among men as first fruits to God and to the Lamb. 5And no lie was found in their mouth; they are blameless.If I were not exposed to any other preconceived or prior teaching from anyone about anything from the Word, one of inclinations would be to line up these two events. PAssover and Rev 14:1-5. Could it be that there is a First Fruit event BEFORE the Wheat (Body, Bread) Harvest? Rev 14 sure seems to indicate this. In ch 7 of Rev we have a depiction of an approval as well, the Sealing. When I bring this up I am also considering the 1st generation of believers: Jesus ansering the question about the rstoring of Israel, said: “It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority; 8but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”In the upper room this happened: 14These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, 15At this time Peter stood up in the midst of the brethren (a gathering of about one hundred and twenty persons was there together), 21“Therefore it is necessary that of the men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us— 22beginning with the baptism of John until the day that He was taken up from us—one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection.” 23So they put forward two men,My point being is this account of Acts has very specific numbering, and considering the order of events, there is something that looks like to me to happen PRIOR to the Fall Feasts. Though I do agree with you that FoT and all the elements of that, it seems to me that things associated with the Fall are later on in the establishing &/or reigning of the Kingdom of God. We know that Rev tells us this about the nations and the bond-servants On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and His bond-servants will serve HimNations are healed, BONDSERVANTS serve Him.. Those Sealed These are the ones who follow the Lamb wherever He goes.
Would the pattern of God's plan for restroing all things make sense to have His First Fruits (bond-servants) be serving Him in the way that the apostles were called to follow and then in the upper room after the ascension, where very miraculous transformations happened to them (those 120?) 12 x100, fits the pattern of 12 x 1000 x 2...(for the millenial) Basically, the witnessing to the nations on steroids. A repeat of the original witnesses to the ends of the world.. How do you do that? with immortalized, transformed witnesses.. THEN the big gather can happen at FoT..
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 19, 2020 20:36:49 GMT -6
barbiosheepgirl , Hello my dear sister,
Very good thoughts, BSG. !! You have a gift to be able to see connections between passages that is incredible. I consider myself a fellow-watchman with you and this community of believers, and a student of end-times.
I certainly agree 100% - you've mentioned before - that prophecies can have dual fulfillment, and I definitely think this is true of some of the feasts- and maybe all of them. So while I know that Christ fulfilled the first four feasts - I think that there may be some kind of dual fulfillment with First Fruits in the Second Advent. I can't quite see it, but I won't disagree.
We know that Feast of Booths/Sukkot [For some that may be visitors/or just starting on their journey, this is also Feast of Tabernacles] will be celebrated every year in the millennium and you also mentioned, along with @natalie/ and I think @bora, that there is very compelling evidence that Christ was born on Feast of Booths/Sukkot.
This is also the position of Paul Watchman Dawson and Rabbi Mark Biltz, along with Jewish scholar, author and Messianic Jew Avi Ben Mordecai, to name a few. Though there are a few holes - this would be the most amazing example of Dual Fulfillment - The King of Kings being born in a stable/sukkot [stables were used as booths for this festival] and begins his millennial reign on the New Earth - "Tidings of great joy For all people" - at Feast of Booths. Mic drop .
Whether a person agrees with the timing or not, or the connection to the feasts or not - I get that. [This is the Tennessee Otter Version II.] But I think that everyone on this forum- can rejoice in the soon coming of our King, and be united in the longing and excitement like a groom waiting for his bride. ;-) Boy, oh boy, it just about makes me choke up. To use a saying from the South- "It that doesn't light your fire- your wood's wet."
Lord Jesus- We long for you to come- Your Kingdom come- your will be done- on earth as it is in Heaven. We eagerly watch and pray, trying to be like the Berean Christians - searching your word, and encouraging each other - all the more as we see the day approaching, and though it won't be exactly like we thought - we are children of the day, and so That Day- when the Trumpet sounds- will not surprise us like a Thief in the Night.
Even so come, Lord Jesus, Come. !
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Post by kjs on Mar 19, 2020 23:06:05 GMT -6
disciple4life , outofthefog , The sign on April 3-4, 2020 lands exactly on Nissan 10, arguably the most important day in Biblical history. The day Jesus declared Himself the Messiah, and the day the Israelites crossed the river Jordan. If that is not a perfect picture of the church at the rapture I don't know what is? But Jesus said Himself, I am the bright and morning star. Yes evening on parts of the earth but the sign is still very credible being that it land directly on Nissan 10, and Venus is right in the Pleiades.
Hello Solo ! I first wanted to say welcome to the forum- we're so glad you found this community. I have a question- I think I'm tracking with you, but thought you could clarify. I'm not arguing- just asking for clarification.
I agree 110% that Nisan 10 is very important and grossly ignored/ overlooked by the vast majority of Christians. You said on this day Christ declared he was the Messiah. - I presume by this you mean he symbolically showed himself to be the Messiah on the day the lambs were selected and presented when he rode into Jerusalem on a donkey Saturday Nisan 10 ?? Amiright? So in other words, are you alluding to the entry into Jerusalem, or maybe you meant something totally different.
He actually declared he was the Messiah when the religious leaders asked him to give them a sign to prove that he was the Messiah- and he did! In fact the only sign that he gave as proof that He was indeed the Messiah, was the sign of Jonah- and he quoted from Jonah - just as Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the great fish, so He would be in the grave 3 days and 3 nights."
***But there's no record or any indication that made this declaration on 10th of Nisan. So we have a literal declaration - with no date given, and a symbolic declaration when He was presented as the spotless Passover lamb, when he entered Jerusalem on Nisan 10.
Regarding the most perfect picture of the church at the rapture- I have to respectfully disagree.
The most perfect picture of the church at the rapture is on the feast that "No One Knows the Day or Hour, aka the Day of Shouting, aka the "Last Trumpet" aka the day Jews everywhere know as the Wedding of the Messiah, and the "Coronation of the King" and the Day when the Door of Heaven is Opened - and the mind-numbing fact that God put this -- [all these things are the same day- Rosh Hashanah/ Feast ofTrumpets] in the Hebrew customs and culture thousands of years ago- as a rehearsal for the real event. And we get to see and experience the live event.
Maranatha! I would be totally fine if I'm wrong and He comes with a Shout for his Bride on Nisan 10!! I'll buy everyone bacon cheese burgers and sweet tea. If anyone doesn't like sweet tea or bacon cheese burgers, I'm sure mike , or kjs or boraddict would be happy to help a brother out. Like everyone else - I am a product of my upbringing as well as my individual study..... i agree Nisan 10 is A very important day... I believe Jesus allowed Himself to be recognized on that day. By Him riding the colt of a donkey and allowing people to proclaim Hosana -- he was being recognized as King the whole reason the religious leaders begged him to get the people stop shouting - was they (leaders) knew what the chant meant. this entire topic can be debated in great detail because of the prophecy given was enacted at the proper time..... I would Love us to be called on Nisan 10 or Nisan 14 - Honestly, I would just like it to happen and I could care less when (though sooner rather than later.....) as as far as burgers and sweet tea ... LOL .... I think Jesus has a fantastic banquet prepared and I suspect it will have more than we can imagine! I just want to see the Lamb of God - for He did what I could not do ... I just wish to be with him.....
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Post by bruce on Mar 20, 2020 8:01:47 GMT -6
I finally watched all of the Paul's video from November, so I can see that Venus being the Evening Star carries it's own sort of significance. The big question is, is it an "x marks the spot" sort of sign indicating the day of the rapture? Or is it another "exit ahead" sign? So many of us have been on this watcher journey for years now, and suddenly with coronavirus, the world is more gloomy than it has ever been in most of our lifetimes. I hope it's an X marks the spot, and if not, that we are gone by Pentecost. It seems like from here on out things are only going to get worse and worse. The revelation 12 sign was so exciting, and now two and a half years later my thoughts on heavenly signs have shifted from "wow this is so awesome and amazing" to "please God let this one be it. I'm exhausted". It is pretty cool though, and while I might quibble with Paul's video on a few details, I still think this sign is significant.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Mar 20, 2020 12:19:25 GMT -6
disciple4life , thanks for the super kind reply! So, we shall see. One thing's for sure, we/many will know something will have happened as we would all see Jesus! I reread Rev 15 in a whole new light because of the video. Keep in mind, we may be seeing the whole event in the sky first and have to wait for more days to pass.."Jesus the Morning Star/WITH His church body..which I feel is the Army that will continue to restore the nations during the millennial.. 1Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels (messengers/angels of the churches, aka Pleides) who had seven plagues(judgements), which are the last (omega), because in them the "wrath of God" "is finished." J the Baptist says: But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, "You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? and John's account of Jesus' death: 30Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.
The phrase Wrath of God/Is Finished, is the west setting Morning Star conjunt (joined) with the Messengers of the Churches, and the "judgement" is what leads to the healing of the nations (though no one has to agree with me on that part) Rev 21: 5And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” 6Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. 7“He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. 8“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
9Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
To restate what John saw if he could text us the info on his phone would be this: "I saw the Pleides and Venus was in it. This is a heavenly clock event, like the 1st Sign because it is rare.." This conjunction is great because it can only happen when Venus is above the ecliptic, and is a Spring time event because of how Venus is setting. But I see it converged in this vision.. Wow, its gonna be 2020 when this Sign happens! So we had the Great Sign Rev 12:1, then we do have others who founds evidence of the second sign, which I did not pay as much attention to, and now we have this great and marvelous Sign. The first one Birth, second one tribulation & deception, 3rd one Unity with Christ with His Messengers of the Churches..
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Post by yardstick on Mar 22, 2020 1:25:04 GMT -6
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