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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Oct 14, 2020 9:27:01 GMT -6
Hey all, starting a new thread, but please link to other threads here on its page that discusses this planet.
Recall this:
1A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; 2and she was with child
This was Sept 23, 2017. It could only be seen with stellarium programs. Leo is a 9 basic star constellation, and the three other stars that made up the "crown" were Mercury, Venus and Mars. In the "womb" was Jupiter...
Well, all you Gen 1:14 followers know that there are 5 planets (wandering stars) we can see with the naked eye: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Saturn and Jupiter.
Did anyone notice the lack of Saturn in the vision? It was there in view but not til 3 pm.. it was also in the constellation of Ophiochus, the serpent wrestler...
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Post by sog on Oct 14, 2020 9:46:49 GMT -6
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Post by Natalie on Oct 14, 2020 9:53:33 GMT -6
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Oct 14, 2020 10:06:12 GMT -6
Natalie , here is what I found in some searches. The Sat/Jup conjunction is a 20 year cycle event. It is not rare rare, but apparently this happened a few years before Moses was born, in the Mazzaroth sign that represented Israelites, which is how the Pharoah knew to attack the male children of toddler and younger (from the Seiss book). Then this 100 year old book mentioned the Star of Jesus being a rare triplet conj of Sat and Jupiter in one year. This is a rare occurrance. I looked it up: Now, I did watch the docufilm called the Bethlehem Star which I believe the guy was watching Jupiter and Venus.. but I guess that timeframe would have had Herod dead. I would have to rewatch.. but according to the Wisemen, they must have been thinking of Moses history and sign above for him being a Messiah type. Still testing all this out . anyway, Saturn was sitting in the leg of Ophiochus, the Serpent Wrestler in Sep 23... yeah, Natalie, Saturn has been "chasing" Jupiter in the night sky pretty much most of the summer. Really fun to see it. It will conj on Dec 21st.. IN regard to the stellar story above us, it is to me a story being foretold that will manifest on physical earth at a later time. Perhaps a 3 1/2 duration of a period of days or months or years... What happens above happens first, then the physical manifests. Likely in concert with the 3 major Feasts, the repeating Clock of our Lord...
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Oct 14, 2020 10:21:24 GMT -6
check this page out. It references Bullinger and Seiss authors and more, but is full of scripture accounts to go along with the Stellar story. But too, there is a thing I learned. The Pole star used to be in Draco, but then as the earth tilts over thousands of years, that Pole changed to the North Star in the Bear (one of the "children" of the Woman, btw...) This happened about 5000 years ago, in the time of Moses (I think). Where is schooldad ? He likely talked about all of this. anyway, here is an interesting write up that compiles what I was reading direct out of Seiss.. try-god.com/the-triple-planetary-conjunction-of-jupiter-saturn.php
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Post by mike on Oct 14, 2020 11:04:52 GMT -6
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Post by Gary on Oct 14, 2020 14:33:27 GMT -6
After 12/21 Jupiter will "escape" from Saturn and Saturn won't catch up again this transit around the ecliptic. Jupiter/Saturn conjunctions are called "Great Conjunctions" and are historically seen as major omens (see here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_conjunction). 12/21/20 is the closest Great Conjunction in 400 years and occurs at precisely 3:22 UTC. Skull and bones... for whatever (if anything) that is worth. Macron's birthday, too, and Winter Solstice, which is an import occultic and pagan day.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Oct 14, 2020 18:00:15 GMT -6
Gary , in re to it does say in the vision, 7 heads and 10 horns on this red dragon.. so it should be that we see a variety of earthly constructs be it human leaders and traditions of men having gone astray of from their Creator. There still should be speculation where saturn was on Sep 23, in that it may not be the fulfillment of rev 12:3, but that it was to be noted as being an "outcast" planet from the Great Sign...to be "watched" as the story kept unfolding 3 years ago... Its not the meteor showers of the draconids or whatever "looks" to be stars swept by a tail. It seems that is an everyday occurance as are the constellations in general. Its these "traveling" sweepable stars that sseem to be the main markers across the Mazzaroth. Draco, the constellation itself does not appear to ever have planets cross thru it. It has another history (one of its stars as a designated Pole star several thousand years ago, losing its role to the big Dipper's North Star..) The focus should be the main 12 grouping of stars set by our Lord to represent His Gospel (and Tribes). Then to see the decans (assisting groupings) that go along with the main twelve. In them are more detailed stories, much like Revelation does. John saw visions, and saw visions within those SAME visions. This is much like what we keep trying to discern watching the heavens. Main 12 and within or along side those 12 are an additional 36 decans that tell a story...
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Post by brad on Oct 14, 2020 21:14:36 GMT -6
I've been watching this too! Interesting that the Saturn/Jupiter conjunction happens on the solstice! Also, 7 days prior there is a total solar eclipse on 12/14 2020 happening precisely on ophiuchus. This is the constellation many have tried to tie the rev 12 dragon to... I think there is red meat here, but can't yet claim it's the dragon...Interesting thing is that only during a total solar eclipse can you see the corona (crown)... Working on a theory that 7 total solar eclipses (over time) might be the fiery red dragon with 7 heads and 7 crowns that we have all been looking for. Look in Stellarium! The eclipse is perfectly aligned on the center line of Ophiuchus! Red meat here... let's figure this out!
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Post by brad on Oct 15, 2020 8:45:38 GMT -6
Here is a screen shot of the eclipse just 7 days before the Jupiter/Saturn conjunction. And a picture of The conjunction on 12/21 Attachments:
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Post by klb on Oct 15, 2020 9:32:12 GMT -6
Hi all - this reminded me of Paul Dawson’s video from a month ago regarding the Saturn-Jupiter conjunction. So interesting! He begins talking about it around the 56:45 marker.
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Post by sog on Oct 15, 2020 13:36:47 GMT -6
klb, Very interesting about the formation of 33 triangles since the birth of Christ.
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Post by klb on Oct 15, 2020 15:29:02 GMT -6
Yes - that’s what caught my attention!
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Oct 16, 2020 9:31:00 GMT -6
Here are some things in a search this morning, as I am investigating if Rev 12:1 and Rev 12:3 were to be simultaneous heavenly depictions. (BTW and IMHO, I no longer consider regular occurring draconid meteor showers and the like as stars being swept at part of rev 12 depiction, could be swayed back to that thinking, but not right now)
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From the books of Christ-following-Heavenlies-watchers, Ophiochus is NOT part of the main 12 Set-Patterns of the Mazzaroth. and I find it interesting that it is viewed as the "13" by the pagan world, and I find it interesting that there is this DIVISION of the serpent clusters. The only constellation that is divided. Maybe this came from the video posted, but I have not had a chance to view it.
Saturn, the last I searched, has 7 major rings... and this I found interesting; Not to be outdone by its larger neighbour, Jupiter, Saturn's atmosphere also features large storm structures similar to Jupiter's famous Great Red Spot. restated: Saturn "copies" the (red) mark that is within Jupiter, the King planet?
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Dec 4, 2020 8:15:58 GMT -6
brad, That was the location of Saturn back on Sep 23, 2017..that interesting! I wanted to add something about the constellation Serpens. The Head (S. Caput) contains 7 stars... The Tail (S. Cauda) is difficult to count the stars. This is because it is obscured by the Milky Way and gobs of galaxies and star-forming nebulas. This constellation Serpens is surrounded by 10 constellations, "symbols of power?" aka Horns? S. Caput (the Head)1.Corona Borealis (the Crown) 2.Bootes, aka Arcturus, the Great Shepherd 3. Virgo (the virgin woman) 4.Libra, the scales/set of balances 5. Ophiuchus, the serpent wrestler 6.Hercules, who is 'wounded' in the heel by the scorpion, other foot over the head of the dragon S. Cauda7. Aquila, the Eagle 8.Ophiuchus, ** 9. Sagittarius, the Bowman 10. Scutum, in latin means Shield **Ophiochus is listed twice. Well, On Sep 23, 2017, when Rev 12:1 was occurring, Saturn, the only wandering star NOT in the virgin Sign was in the right leg of Ophiuchus. Like the added 3 Stars of the Woman's Crown, Saturn "adds" to the constellation cluster, becoming the "10th Horn"... 3.Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon (Saturn within the constellation cluster of Serpens) having seven heads (stars of S. Caput) and ten horns (the surrounding constellaion "symbols of power" including Saturn), and on his heads were seven diadems (Corona Borealis is on the head of Serpens, just to not confuse the constellation with Draco, or Hydra). 4.And his tail (S. Cauda) swept away a third of the stars of heaven (the Milky Way itself looks like this!) and threw them to the earth (The Milky Way band stretches to the horizon). And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth (this is the snapshot of this entire event 9/23/17 at about 3 pm), so that when she gave birth he might devour her child (this Saturn looks to "devour" the child Jupiter here coming up). To me what John was seeing is simply the skies in Sep of 2017. The description is the poetic version from Heaven's explanation, but the literal sky, stars, planets, Milky Way, etc and its timing of this "picture" is what John writes down. This is a Heavenly Clock snap shot. And we have the last sentence of Rev 12:4.. so that when she gave birth he might devour her child. This is possibly what was to come 3 years later... Its not for date-setting, for I think the story gets told first, or we have a misunderstanding of what we see on earth because we are thinking it should be more obvious. Jesus walked among the people and not everyone "saw" who He was.. we should always keep that in mind in the days we are in. Plus, the Sep 2017 event, was during the day and only those seeking this angle, and/or using stellarium would "see" it; those who view all of Creation (even the stars) as the Voice of God, pouring forth speech, day and night... to add what Gary, said, The conjunction Dec 21 2020 is a COMPLETE and GREAT conjunction where the 2 become 1 big star. The conjunction of J/S happens every 20 years, but not like it will in a few weeks. The last time they became one star was 397 years ago, July 13/14, 1623.
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