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Post by Natalie on Jul 23, 2021 14:34:17 GMT -6
boraddict , Natalie , Ok, i'm probably just dense here, but after reviewing Daniel, I see the mention of 7 weeks followed by 62 weeks. Which my math puts it at a total of 69 weeks. So first off, where did I miss the other week mentioned? Then I would like to know where it says that weeks are actually years or something other than weeks? I see "time and "times" also mentioned, but again, how do we say with scriptural certainty that the stated time is actually what we interpret, over what is stated? I probably missed something, but I didn't see a scriptural definition, like it does for Jesus parable, or the candlesticks in Revelation. I am one of those who think that sometimes we have to step out of the Bible in order to understand parts of it. That's the way it is with much of Daniel. We need to step away for a bit and look at what we have in the records of history in order to understand much of what Daniel was shown. All of those kings of the north and south are real people that really lived after the time of Daniel. People like Alexander the Great and his generals and Bernice and I can't remember most of them. The past to us, but the future to Daniel. So, stepping out, we can figure out how many years are from the rebuilding of Jerusalem until the coming of the “anointed one” (Messiah). Comes out to 483 which is 69 times 7, or 69 “weeks” of years. Just as Daniel said. The Messiah was killed 483 years after the declaration to rebuild Jerusalem. It also makes sense when we think about how God set up things for Israel. In Lev 25, He tells them to work their fields for 6 years and then give it a year rest. It's patterned after a week – work 6 days and rest on the 7th. So, the land also gets a “week”. So, no, the Bible does not define “week”, but I believe we can interpret it correctly. Using, that information, plus what I posted earlier on Daniel and Matthew connecting to Revelation, I think we can accurately says that “times, time, and a half time” equals 3.5 years. All the passages are speaking of the same thing. They can interpret each other.
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Post by servantofthelord on Jul 23, 2021 15:07:27 GMT -6
Ok, good. so then "Daniels" 70 weeks, is not actually described in "Daniel", But is a collected interpretation of Daniel and other books, meshed into Daniels description, which then forms what people commonly term as Daniels 70 weeks. Is this a correct description? I"m not sure I understand your question -- Daniel's 70 weeks are described in Daniel 9 and point to when Messiah would come - but the book of Revelation, and places like Matthew 24 give us more detail about the last week - the 70th week. OK, you agreed Daniel listed 69 weeks and I didn't miss any. But it is called Daniels 70 weeks. You said the other week is described in Revelation and Mathew, not in Daniel. So we call it Daniels 70 weeks, even though Daniel only lists 69, because other books list another week, if I'm reading correctly. So to dumb it down for me, Daniels 70 weeks consists of Daniels 69 plus a week added by way of Mathew and Revelation? Meaning Daniel describes/names 69, then the other must name an added week, which we just ascribe to Daniels original 69, making "Daniels 70 weeks". Correct? or am I still missing something?
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Post by servantofthelord on Jul 23, 2021 15:14:26 GMT -6
boraddict , Natalie , Ok, i'm probably just dense here, but after reviewing Daniel, I see the mention of 7 weeks followed by 62 weeks. Which my math puts it at a total of 69 weeks. So first off, where did I miss the other week mentioned? Then I would like to know where it says that weeks are actually years or something other than weeks? I see "time and "times" also mentioned, but again, how do we say with scriptural certainty that the stated time is actually what we interpret, over what is stated? I probably missed something, but I didn't see a scriptural definition, like it does for Jesus parable, or the candlesticks in Revelation. I am one of those who think that sometimes we have to step out of the Bible in order to understand parts of it. That's the way it is with much of Daniel. We need to step away for a bit and look at what we have in the records of history in order to understand much of what Daniel was shown. All of those kings of the north and south are real people that really lived after the time of Daniel. People like Alexander the Great and his generals and Bernice and I can't remember most of them. :) The past to us, but the future to Daniel. So, stepping out, we can figure out how many years are from the rebuilding of Jerusalem until the coming of the “anointed one” (Messiah). Comes out to 483 which is 69 times 7, or 69 “weeks” of years. Just as Daniel said. The Messiah was killed 483 years after the declaration to rebuild Jerusalem. It also makes sense when we think about how God set up things for Israel. In Lev 25, He tells them to work their fields for 6 years and then give it a year rest. It's patterned after a week – work 6 days and rest on the 7th. So, the land also gets a “week”. So, no, the Bible does not define “week”, but I believe we can interpret it correctly. Using, that information, plus what I posted earlier on Daniel and Matthew connecting to Revelation, I think we can accurately says that “times, time, and a half time” equals 3.5 years. All the passages are speaking of the same thing. They can interpret each other. Ok, so if I'm getting this correct, without inferring you are right or wrong, but just on the facts. IF we look outside, and then interpret the scripture from a certain perspective, we can get "weeks of years" from literally stated weeks. Then if we use that interpretation and apply it in other books, we can get another interpretation from the first interpretation. Then those are used to then interpret the book of Revelation. Is that accurate?
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Post by Natalie on Jul 23, 2021 15:34:52 GMT -6
Ok, so I will try to set this all out. (I'm going to be using NKJV because I think it's clearer than the ESV) Daniel 9:24-27 24“ Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy. 25 “Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; [483 years] The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times. 26 “ And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. [70 AD]The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, [Matt 24:15] Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” 70 weeks as described by Daniel. There would be 7 and then 62 and then 1. After the 62, Messiah would be cut off (killed). That's the first part of verse 26. Then the city and the sanctuary would be destroyed (which happened in 70 AD). That's in the middle of 26. Then someone is going to come and confirm a covenant for one week. That's the 70th week. It hasn't happened yet.
When the 70th week is over, then Israel's history is complete. From verse 24, Jesus finished the transgression, ended sins, and make reconciliation for iniquity, but the rest comes at the end of the 70th week when He returns – bringing in everlasting righteousness, sealing up vision and prophecy, and anointing the Most Holy.
When we look at Matthew 24, Jesus tells them to look for the abomination spoken of in Daniel. He's giving details about Daniel's 70th week. When John writes in Rev 12 about the Jews fleeing, he's writing about what Jesus talked about in Matthew 24. When they see the abomination, then they better get out of Jerusalem (and Israel). John is also writing about Daniel's 70th week. We get more details as we read.
Am I making it clearer or muddier?
Use the Bible to interpret the Bible - so, yes, understand Daniel, and then see that Matthew and Revelation are speaking of the same time period. Put them all together to get a fuller picture.
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Post by servantofthelord on Jul 23, 2021 15:50:52 GMT -6
Ok, so I will try to set this all out. (I'm going to be using NKJV because I think it's clearer than the ESV) Daniel 9:24-27 24“ Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city, To finish the transgression, To make an end of sins, To make reconciliation for iniquity, To bring in everlasting righteousness, To seal up vision and prophecy, And to anoint the Most Holy. 25 “Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; [483 years] The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times. 26 “ And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. [70 AD]The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, [Matt 24:15] Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.” 70 weeks as described by Daniel. There would be 7 and then 62 and then 1. After the 62, Messiah would be cut off (killed). That's the first part of verse 26. Then the city and the sanctuary would be destroyed (which happened in 70 AD). That's in the middle of 26. Then someone is going to come and confirm a covenant for one week. That's the 70th week. It hasn't happened yet.
When the 70th week is over, then Israel's history is complete. From verse 24, Jesus finished the transgression, ended sins, and make reconciliation for iniquity, but the rest comes at the end of the 70th week when He returns – bringing in everlasting righteousness, sealing up vision and prophecy, and anointing the Most Holy.
When we look at Matthew 24, Jesus tells them to look for the abomination spoken of in Daniel. He's giving details about Daniel's 70th week. When John writes in Rev 12 about the Jews fleeing, he's writing about what Jesus talked about in Matthew 24. When they see the abomination, then they better get out of Jerusalem (and Israel). John is also writing about Daniel's 70th week. We get more details as we read.
Am I making it clearer or muddier?
Use the Bible to interpret the Bible - so, yes, understand Daniel, and then see that Matthew and Revelation are speaking of the same time period. Put them all together to get a fuller picture.
Thank you! I see why happened now. When I pulled up Daniel 9 it was hiding the first part of the line in one behind the browser, so I didn't see the "70 weeks" line, just the remaining, and obviously confused the rest. LOL, this is why I ask questions! I know I'm not above making mistakes. LOL Appreciate your patience!
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Post by Natalie on Jul 23, 2021 16:03:10 GMT -6
No problem. I know that this mode of communication isn't the best either.
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Post by servantofthelord on Jul 23, 2021 16:05:14 GMT -6
Natalie , when it comes to the abomination of desolation, having looked at the root word and it's applications, it seems like "ruin" is only one of the possibilities, where as struck dumb or stupify or bewilder is more often the case. So, wouldn't the "stupidity/insanity" of the modern times also be able to be seen as the AoD? Strong's Number: 8074 Original Word - ~mX (sorry Aramaic doesn't copy) Shamem Definition to be desolate, be appalled, stun, stupefy (Qal) to be desolated, be deflowered, be deserted, be appalled to be appalled, be awestruck (Niphal) to be desolated, be made desolate to be appalled (Polel) to be stunned appalling, causing horror (participle) 1c horror-causer, appaller (subst) (Hiphil) to devastate, ravage, make desolated to appal, show horror (Hophal) to lay desolate, be desolated (Hithpolel) to cause to be desolate to be appalled, be astounded to cause oneself desolation, cause oneself ruin
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Post by Natalie on Jul 23, 2021 16:10:40 GMT -6
But in context, it's something standing in the holy place. It's something that will cause the Temple to be polluted and left desolate. It's something visible that will tell those who understand that they need to leave NOW! Something like what happened in the past when Epiphanies sacrificed a pig on the altar. (I gotta go make supper. I only have one kid here this weekend so I have more time for this discussion than I normally do )
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Post by servantofthelord on Jul 23, 2021 20:13:53 GMT -6
But in context, it's something standing in the holy place. It's something that will cause the Temple to be polluted and left desolate. It's something visible that will tell those who understand that they need to leave NOW! Something like what happened in the past when Epiphanies sacrificed a pig on the altar. (I gotta go make supper. I only have one kid here this weekend so I have more time for this discussion than I normally do :) ) Perhaps when the people at the temple or temple mount begin to run around acting like idiots and can't think, maybe start attacking each other like in the OT? Just tend to think out of the norm, expect the unexpected. Not actually set on any specific thing, more staying open to alternate possibilities than people all seem to expect. God has a habit of doing unexpected things. Jesus new way was certainly not what they Jews were expecting!
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Post by Natalie on Jul 24, 2021 10:17:50 GMT -6
But in context, it's something standing in the holy place. It's something that will cause the Temple to be polluted and left desolate. It's something visible that will tell those who understand that they need to leave NOW! Something like what happened in the past when Epiphanies sacrificed a pig on the altar. (I gotta go make supper. I only have one kid here this weekend so I have more time for this discussion than I normally do ) Perhaps when the people at the temple or temple mount begin to run around acting like idiots and can't think, maybe start attacking each other like in the OT? Just tend to think out of the norm, expect the unexpected. Not actually set on any specific thing, more staying open to alternate possibilities than people all seem to expect. God has a habit of doing unexpected things. Jesus new way was certainly not what they Jews were expecting! I think you looked up what is translated as "he shall make it desolate". I looked up "of abominations"
Strongs 8251 The KJV translates Strong's H8251 in the following manner: abomination (20x), detestable things (5x), detestable (1x), abominable filth (1x), abominable idols (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage - detestable thing or idol, abominable thing, abomination, idol, detested thing
So, a detestable idol or thing that will cause the holy place to be deserted, be seen as appalling, people are astounded, awestruck, and horrified.
That's how I see it.
God could cause people to act as you described but He wouldn't use an abomination to do it.
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Post by servantofthelord on Jul 24, 2021 12:15:40 GMT -6
Perhaps when the people at the temple or temple mount begin to run around acting like idiots and can't think, maybe start attacking each other like in the OT? Just tend to think out of the norm, expect the unexpected. Not actually set on any specific thing, more staying open to alternate possibilities than people all seem to expect. God has a habit of doing unexpected things. Jesus new way was certainly not what they Jews were expecting! I think you looked up what is translated as "he shall make it desolate". I looked up "of abominations" You are correct in that. I assumed we both agreed on what abomination would/could mean. But it is just a description of the "thing" we look for, which is the desolation. How or what it is like, is the abominable part. But the desolation is what we are looking for. Strongs 8251 The KJV translates Strong's H8251 in the following manner: abomination (20x), detestable things (5x), detestable (1x), abominable filth (1x), abominable idols (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage - detestable thing or idol, abominable thing, abomination, idol, detested thing So, a detestable idol or thing that will cause the holy place to be deserted, be seen as appalling, people are astounded, awestruck, and horrified. That's how I see it. God could cause people to act as you described but He wouldn't use an abomination to do it.
In the KJV and in the NASB Daniel uses the term abominations, plural, not singular. For some reason we call it THE, but HE says more than one. So they are signs of the desolation, not the focal point. At least in Daniel. In Mathew it is stated as if singular , but it can be both. So, since Daniel is what is being quoted, that is where the best understanding would lie. IMO :) Thanks!:)
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Post by servantofthelord on Jul 24, 2021 14:13:53 GMT -6
Ok, here's the issues I see with most any strongly held opinion or theory of the end times.
Scripture is like our roadmap. It gives us directions on how to follow God's narrow path. If we veer too much in any one direction, we can find ourselves off the path, without even realizing it. The directions we have give us a specific location we are to arrive at. But the directions are at times a bit confusing or more precisely, they were given by older people who spoke a different language than we do, so the map we have has already been interpreted or redrawn, for us a time or two. So, while some may feel secure in that they "know the way", realistically none of us actually can even read the original set of directions with 100% accuracy.
We can be confident that the directions we have are leading us in the right direction, even that we have markers to help us know we are on the correct path/road. Yet each of us tends to read their directions with a personal perspective that may indicate an alternate route to the same destination. In theory, this is ok. If we get to the appointed place, whether we are all on the identical path or not wouldn't matter, so long as we arrive at the same destination. Here my example will begin to fail as a scriptural example, so I'll not force it. But it will provide a little further insight into the act of "interpretation", which I'm addressing.
Lets say we are given directions to a party or gathering we are to attend, but along the way we come to a road that is not clearly marked. We have 5 basic choices. (1- we go left and continue on hoping this is the correct way. (2- We go right and do the same. (3- we just sit there and read our directions over till we think we have a better idea of which way to go, then follow 1 or 2. (4- we go back to the house. (5- we return to the spot we know was a correct one, and try again.
interpretation of scripture is much the same. It has little to do with right or wrong usually, but it will obviously affect where we end up, or what we read in our scriptures/directions. Once we interpret a verse to "mean" a certain thing, that affects how we view other verses. One interpretation invariably leads to another and so on. The ending result is a theory or idea we form about what is actually being said, that may not be directly stated. This could be correct or it could be incorrect. The specific issue when it comes to this in reference to the end times, is that you won't know till it is possibly too late to correct course.
Using the example above, if we went one direction, interpreted it to be correct, then kept continuing down this way, we may well be far down the road without an obvious turn around, before we realize we have made the wrong turn. To correct our course we have to stop in the middle of the road, flip a 180 and then go all the way back to where the turn was made, before we can even make a decision as to what direction will get us back on track. If there is any obstacles in the road on our return, we may have to even veer off another way to get there.
Anyone who has gotten lost or misread directions, knows that depending on the personality of the person, we can be stubborn to want to be right. We can at times even refuse to recognize our error, for fear of admitting we may be lost. We'd rather be right at times, than do right, or ask for help, or own up to our shortsightedness. It's just human to feel this way. Men are especially prone to this, since we feel responsible for leading the way.
Without imputing right or wrong, let me point out how easy it is to draw a conclusion based on an interpretation. Scripture says we are not destined for Go's wrath. Further that He won't execute/unleash/etc. it on/to us. This is stated differently throughout scriptures, but the idea is clear. We are not going to be punished like those who don't believe or those who turn away, etc. This is generally accepted to "mean" - we must be gone before any wrath id doled out to the rest - However that is not implicitly stated by these declarations. I'm not saying this isn't rue, just that it isn't automatically true because it seems to indicate this.
God is always doing things in ways we don't see and understand correctly. The Jews knew the prophesies and scriptures well, but none was expecting Jesus to be the messiah in the manner he was. He did do as the prophets said, it was written before hand, and it seemed clear to them it was to be a certain way, yet it wasn't. They were not stupid, they just saw things from a certain perspective, and interpreted scripture through that viewpoint, which left no room for Jesus to be who He actually came to be.
So going back to the statement about wrath. The scripture also say we are to be long suffering and to persevere. It is also possible for God to unleash His wrath, while protecting us from the consequences. Wether we are in heaven or on the earth. All things are possible with Him. So, if just by a fluke we are strictly holding to our interpretation of what go's wrath entails for us in the "understood" manner, then how prepared are we going to be if wrath begins and we aren't gone? We never bothered to consider or prepare to persevere, so there is a good chance we won't. That is a risk of holding too tightly to any one interpretation of scripture.
The same applies to the "when are we raptured" theories. If your right, great, no worries. But if you aren't, are you really going to be prepared for the hell on earth scenario that you may have to live and persevere through? Is being right really more important than being prepared? As a general rule all of the various theories lies on more than one individual "interpretation", so anywhere along that you missed by even a little, makes all of what you derived beyond that not correct. The chain is only as strong as the weakest link in it.
In closing, i'm not saying any of you who hold to any of the multiple theories on the end days are right or wrong, just advising caution on how much stock you place in that belief. The consequences could be disastrous if your not perfect in your interpretation. I know i'm not, so I stick to the basics scripture teaches and form tentative opinions, but keep them tentative. All the while assuming that I will have the opportunity to perfect my faith through great suffering and persecution, just as the apostles and Christ had to.
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Post by TrumpetsTX on Aug 12, 2021 22:10:00 GMT -6
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Just a question, but have you accounted for the alteration of the calendar when it was changed over from Julian to Gregorian? Roman vs Jewish Days
Yes. The Roman calendar has a few bugs. Because Easter dates were off, Catholic nations added 10 days to start the Gregorian calendar on October 15, 1582. Britain and the colonies added 11 days to start on September 14, 1752 and moved the new year from March to January. However, that only adjusts to the Nicene Creed in 325 AD. When calculating the life of Christ (~7-1 BC-27-33 AD), there are two days off between the Julian and Gregorian. To verify the date, use Jewish calendar with NASA lunar cycles. Days start at sunset and months with a new crescent moon. Stellarium astronomy software starts Gregorian in 1582. Click on the moon and look at line 25-26: illuminated percent and Moon age. The astronomical no moon is about a day before the Jewish new crescent moon can be seen. The 19-cycle Jewish calendar is Israel’s official time along with a ~210-216 year error. In 2021, the Jewish year is 5782 AM but closer to 5993 AM. Jewish chronology has 490 years between temples when closer to 656 years (586 BC-70 AD). I haven't found records for barley harvest and cloudy days. God prophecies use Jerusalem time. There is a fascinating correlation between the Jewish calendar and some world history. The US was born on the 17th of Tammuz (Golden Calf). Lincoln died on Good Friday (Unleavened Bread). In 1901, President McKinley was assassinated on the 23rd of Elul (9/11, Teshuvah) and seven days later, Theodore Roosevelt became president on the 1st of Tishri (Trumpets). In 1914 Germany declares war on Russia and in 1990, Iraq broke off talks with Kuwait on the 9th of Av (Kadesh Barnea). Iraq War I ended and Iraq War II began twelve years later at Dora Farms on Purim. If anyone is interested in Bible chronology, Abdicate.net goes verse by verse, ends after Y2K and notes historic events on Jewish holy days. As part of the main article, I have added parts on Seven Seals, Seven Trumpet, The Jewish Calendar and Our Time and Fall Feasts & Prophecy. Robert Cook TrumpetsTX 21st Century Revelation.com
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Post by TrumpetsTX on Aug 26, 2021 21:39:58 GMT -6
boraddict: TrumpetsTX, I do not understand the purpose of your last posting. Is it a repost of a previous posting?
In another discussion, you asked multiple questions from multiple discussions. I reposted the question and answer about the United States as the Eagle in this discussion so others can benefit from the posts. Daniel’s Dream is explained in Part 3 of 21st Century View of Revelation. boraddict: Think of the Book of Revelation in a scientific manner, where there are two halves of the book (Ch. 1-11, and Ch. 12-22).
Revelation was written as one book. Revelation literary style is a chiastic structure (ABCDEEDCBA) that repeats themes which is foreign to our western linear thinking. Revelation is genuinely in sequence but is not in sequential order. The book goes from Church Age, Tribulation and Millennium. Revelation 4-19 do not happen in a seven year box. In the last 120 years, there are fulfilled prophesies of the last five major wars. The topics from seals to Armageddon overlap and end at the Second Coming. Robert Cook TrumpetsTX www.21stcenturyrevelation.com
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Post by boraddict on Aug 26, 2021 23:04:04 GMT -6
boraddict: TrumpetsTX, I do not understand the purpose of your last posting. Is it a repost of a previous posting?
In another discussion, you asked multiple questions from multiple discussions. I reposted the question and answer about the United States as the Eagle in this discussion so others can benefit from the posts. Daniel’s Dream is explained in Part 3 of 21st Century View of Revelation. boraddict: Think of the Book of Revelation in a scientific manner, where there are two halves of the book (Ch. 1-11, and Ch. 12-22).
Revelation was written as one book. Revelation literary style is a chiastic structure (ABCDEEDCBA) that repeats themes which is foreign to our western linear thinking. Revelation is genuinely in sequence but is not in sequential order. The book goes from Church Age, Tribulation and Millennium. Revelation 4-19 do not happen in a seven year box. In the last 120 years, there are fulfilled prophesies of the last five major wars. The topics from seals to Armageddon overlap and end at the Second Coming. Robert Cook TrumpetsTX www.21stcenturyrevelation.com Thank you TrumpetsTX and while I agree to your three points, and do appreciate your insight, but there are multiple ways to think about this book. For example, it seems to be the case that Chapters 1-3 and 20-22 were added to the body of the text after Chapters 4-19 were completed. I have no proof to this assertion but it is developed from the writers style as noted in Rev. 1:2. So while the book was written as one book, it has distinct demarcations from Chapters 1-3, 4-19, and 20-22. Additionally, there are demarcations between Chapters 12 and 13, 13 and 14, 14 and 15, and lastly 16 and 17. This repeated demarcation within the book tends to suggest that multiple parts were added over a period of time. Interestingly, the author included linking verses like the one at Rev. 17:1 to hide the demarcations. So it seems that a demarcation also exists between Chapters seven and eight with a linking verse at Rev. 8:1. There is also a similar demarcation between Chapters ten and eleven with the linking verses at Rev. 11:1-3. The demarcation between Chapters six and seven is clearly obvious but the most obvious demarcation is between Chapters 11 and 12 that is the chiastic midpoint of the book. I do not know why the Apostle John broke the book in this manner but I suspect it was due to his physical condition having been tortured and not able to write for long periods of time; but I am only guessing at that. To your second point, the chiastic structure while being as you have noted also exists within the sections, chapters, and verses of the book. Your third point that the the book is in sequence but not sequential is somewhat confusion to me. So while you assert that the book covers the three periods of time and I do not disagree; it also covers the seven years of which 3.5 of those seven are noted in Rev. 11:3. Post Script: I forgot to mention the demarcation between Chapters nine and ten that are simply a repeat of the afore mentioned structure between Chapters six and seven. This structure may also be in other places within the book but here at Chapter ten it is easy to see. Please notice that Chapter six continues at Verse 8:1. That is, the six seals of Chapter six end with the seventh seal at Verse 8:1. Thus, Chapter seven can be set aside and the series of seals can be read as Chapter six and then Verse 8:1. Likewise, Chapter ten can be set aside and the text of Chapter nine continues at Rev. 11:1. Although, John has made it look like the continuation of Chapter nine is at Rev. 11:14, but he is so good at hiding these things. No, the text of Chapter nine follows the president set at Chapter six (IMO).
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