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Post by mike on Aug 30, 2021 11:59:43 GMT -6
mike , Thanks my brother. I have the basis for my answer, or better to say, the explanation as to how I fit those pieces, but I'll tie up the loose ends, and chew on that. Also, your last follow-up and my summary crossed in the cyberspace - so I want to let you and others see these elements and the scriptures of how/ why Revelation is a clear and very strong rapture passage. ;-) I also wanted to let others give their input as to the key elements they see, and how/ which places they might be mistaken. disciple4life ok - same here. I would like this to be a dialogue with everyone/whoever, not me and the Otter. As to your view on Ch 4of Rev - I see your point, I'll leave it there
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Post by mike on Sept 1, 2021 13:29:10 GMT -6
disciple4life Hey Brother - you said this back on the prior page. Just looking at the world around us right now, if/when this statement is accurate, do you think it would be possible or practical to take the precautions you note? Will we be able to buy survival gear, etc.? For example for your consideration, its possible the third temple is promised and not built until long after the AoD. Its also possible this charismatic world leader is not in the position one may expect until he actually says he is god, which would be 42 months left of his kingdom. the possibility exists that the first 42 months is not crystal clear. Another question as Im reading your quote - where does the scripture say this world leader will be charismatic? I see that he will be resisted quite a bit in Dan 11. Just help me see where you see that he is that influential from the Word. I'm not sure Ive ever seen it directly referred to. The thing that comes to mind for me is that he is/will be a complete liar and influence many itching ears for sure.
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Post by sog on Sept 1, 2021 15:46:30 GMT -6
mike, disciple4life and others, Wanted to add my 2 cents here. We may not be able to count until the mid-point or AoD. I have go back to 2 Thessalonians 2:3 3 No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction As I've said before, I don't see how you can be revealed twice. Are all deceived until then? Only non-believers? Mixture of non-believers and "lukewarm" and/or fallen away Christians? Will we know the "he" of Daniel 9:27 that Jesus was referencing in Matthew? Also, I believe the "it" is rapture. 27 And he will confirm a covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come the one who makes desolate, Is it possible a covenant will come, or possibly has come, and we won't/didn't recognize him? Maybe he was or will be part of it, but we or the masses won't know which one? If so, we won't be able to count with accuracy. I pray God gives us strong indications, even without a revealing, that we may warn others and get them to Christ. As for stocking up on survival needs, I guess that depends on the verses in Matthew before the AoD and your personal circumstance. Matthew 24:8-10 8 But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pains. 9 Then they will hand you over to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10 And at that time many will fall away, and they will betray one another and hate one another. So I believe the birth pains are here. Does that warrant preparing physically? Quite possibly. It's only going to get worse. Also, does the tribulation killing in verse 9 happen before the falling away in verse 10 or at the same time and possible conjunction with the AoD? 15 Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place — let the reader understand Christian killings, beatings, anti-Christian rhetoric and policies seem to be picking up steam. These are scary things to think about, but maybe we should have some contingency for what is to come in case we aren't just all whisked away. One thing that is likely is that much of the preparing won't mean a hill-of-beans once the AC is in full power. Gracefully we have The God of all power and all things. No matter what, we are his.
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Post by mike on Sept 20, 2021 12:28:16 GMT -6
Since it seems no one really desires to discuss this further, I figure I'll provide some other insight from other sources. I think that those who subscribe to Pastor JD as a sound teacher should listen to the counter points made in the video. Pastor JD clearly loves the Lord, but in his zeal has said some foolish things like saying "other views of the rapture timing are satanic"
I really debated sharing this as I do not wish to cause contention, strife or draw out ilk & ire. However I do believe that things which are presented in this video should be taken into consideration regarding how you view the days we live in.
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 20, 2021 19:44:42 GMT -6
mike , sog , Hey mike . I saw this earlier today. I definitely hope others will join in this thread, but I'm certainly willing to discuss - I was intentionally trying to give space for others to jump in. I don't think you sharing this is divisive at all, Mike. What I noticed is that in 2 hours after it was up - there were multiple people who commented that they listen to both guys, and that this video was a bad call. I was very disappointed in Nelson for this cheap shot. He could have simply used the 5 or 6 points without ever even mentioning JD- and what would have been better, would be to simply lay out the verses from scripture and make his case. There are scores and scores of well-respected Bible teachers, watchmen and pastors across the country who are firmly Pre-trib, so it really underscores the point about it being a retaliation. I'm a subscriber to both and have listened to both and shared both of their videos on here and whastapp and Messenger with other friends and family. Both are watchmen and both have points i disagree with. JD believes in the notion of a random, any-minute-any-day surprise rapture, and props it up with one-verse theology which is terrible itself, but then totally takes the one verse out of context. "No one knows the day or hour." - JD Farag was totally off base and over the line to say that the pre-wrath position is Satanic/ or demonic, - I'm not sure which exact word he used.
- Nelson was/ is totally off base and out of line to target JD - it seems petty and vindictive and is clearly a pay-back. That's the sad part.
As fellow watchmen, it's a lesson for us to not let it be a tool of the enemy to cause division among us, but it's OK to disagree agreeably.
I've said before, in this and other threads, that i continue to look at both sides - Pre-trib, mid- trib and pre-wrath, and that all my study keeps pointing me back to the pre-trib position, but I also tried to share 4 big picture elements and to "consider" what if I'm wrong. Which one was the one that was the most likely that I could be wrong on, or which one had the least "airtight" scriptural proof, and it's the timing of the rapture.
I was really hoping that there would be more people also sharing - but so far it hasn't happened.. The other thing - is that i have asked different people in different forums and comment boards if they could simply give the passages from scripture that are "proof texts" for the Pre-wrath position, that say Christians will be here for the tribulation, or that we won't be raptured before and not a single person has given one, so that's odd.
I get frustrated by the watchmen who keep changing their positions, every time another day comes and goes, and I think it really fuels the skeptics and scoffers, but even worse, - It makes Christians look bad, and especially anyone who is a legitimate teacher or who is trying to be a light.
I'm so so grateful and so blessed to be able to learn from and glean so much from so many people who are a part of this watchmen community. My hope is not in a politician or a vaccine - it's in the Rock who is the same yesterday, today and forever.
I continue to study and watch with joyful expectation for the glorious appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ - knowing that it's gonna get worse before it gets better.
Disciple4life
Here's a cool testimony that i hope will encourage you all. Today i talked to 4, yes 4 tech support people trying to get stuff set up with the website and the Rumble channel. They kept re-routing me to other tech people. The last guy was Joshua. Hmm. He was a believer and said that he has seen a huge surge in the last 2 months of people starting evangelistic websites, and creating more content on the gospel.
He said I was the 3rd person today that was doing something Christian - and it was before noon. ;-)
There's a world full of sheep, and a whole lot of wolves -- but thanks be to God, we can also bypass the default setting and choose to be a sheepdog. ;-)
Maranatha.
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Post by mike on Sept 21, 2021 7:37:06 GMT -6
disciple4life I felt that Nelson may have rushed the video and could have been a bit more diplomatic in his responses to JDs. I do believe that he is providing a service to other believers as JDs reasonings have several holes in his approach and many do not do their own research in order to vette accuracy. I dont see it as retaliation, since JDs message was several months ago - but it couldve been handled differently for sure. He links Kirschners work at the end of the video. That is like 2 hours and has a similar feel and does provides many proof texts and points many places pre-trib has to stretch to arrive at the conclusion. Having previously ascribed to pre-trib I think that most if not all pre-trib thinkers understand that there will be believers on earth during the tribulation. Those pre-trib thinkers call them "trib saints". Nelson did provide some of those proof texts in his video, did you catch them? Just off the top of my head here is one, there is a misrepresentation and real poor understanding of 2Thes 2 going around lately. Many pre-trib folks are subscribing to this fallicy. I am not sure if you subscribe to this but many here do and I guess it needs to be said... This passage is referring to Jesus coming and the saints being gathered to Him. I dont think anyone disagrees with that. They were concerned this already had happened and they missed it. Paul is going to explain that they didnt miss it and they should not be deceived by thinking they missed His coming and the gathering to Him. Paul explains that Christ will not come, nor will we be gathered until a falling away comes first, AND the man of sin is revealed. First - this is the fallicy. "falling away" = rapture - that is patently incorrect. Its apostacy plain and simple reading of the text, no cartwheels or backflips needed. Second - the issue discussed here is Christ coming and the gathering to Him. How can "falling away" mean rapture when it has to proceed Christs coming and the gathering to Him? We cant be raptured before we are raptured. I am sorry for those who think this is another proof of the rapture coming before the man of sin is revealed, but we need to read the text for what it says not what we hope it to say. D4L - that is one of many and of the hardest to get around. Here are couple more - In the same light of 2Thes 2 we need to apply to Matt 24:15 - 22 this is also used by pre-trib thinkers that it occurs after the rapture, but this thinking causes one to say "these are trib saints" - do any of us really think that suddenly the whole world, which is being deceived is suddenly going to say "those Christians were right about all this" when none of them have ever read a bible? And who are the elect in verse 22? the trib saints that rejected Christ are suddenly the elect that the days are shortened for? I for one am having difficulty thinking about what is coming on the world, and hoping that I will have faith to remain in Him. I cant even imagine what our brothers/sisters in China, Iran or Nigeria are feeling. Perhaps they think they are trib saints right now!
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Post by boraddict on Sept 21, 2021 8:35:01 GMT -6
The pre-trib rapture theory is a wonderful concept; that the saints will be taken and protected from the beast before the tribulation. However, as mike has pointed out, most if not all pre-tribbers believe that some saints remain to live through the tribulation as noted in Rev. 13:7. In fact, I contend that most will live through the tribulation and that very few are taken at the beginning. That those taken in the pre-trib rapture are simply God's army to put down the beast as noted in the second woe of Rev. 9. That the army of God is called when the tribulation begins; and that army rescues the saints and the world. So in my mind there is a jump in time from Rev. 7:1-8, wherein the army of God that are the twelve tribes of Israel are called and sealed, to Rev. 7:9 wherein the saints are gathered to the marriage. It is that intervening unwritten part between Verses 7:8 and 7:9 that the beast is put down. And, that unwritten part is the harvest as noted in Rev. 14:14-16. Please notice that the Savior in these verses is riding upon the cloud of destruction and this cloud is also noted in Rev. 1:7. It is then, as the Savior comes to destroy that the enemy see him. And it is then that the saints are gathered in the harvest. So the only pre-harvest event that is pre-tribulation is the gathering of the army that will put down the beast as noted in Rev. 7:1-8. This army after gathering stands with Christ in Rev. 14:1 before the harvest in Rev. 14:14-16. They are represented as the cloud of destruction (v. 14:14) by which the Savior frees the world and the saints prior to the real rapture that is typified by Noah's ark leaving the planet. And why do they leave the planet, not because of some puny beast, but because the planet is being plummeted by a great hail storm as explained in Rev. 16:21. So the rapture is not about being protected from the tribulation but from the hail of destruction at the end of the tribulation. Thus, they must be taken from the planet prior to that great hail storm at the end of the tribulation. So, I guess the question surrounds why the saints are taken. Is it to protect them from the beast, or is it to protect them from the falling hail storm? In Noah's case, it was not to protect him from other people but from the flood of rain falling from the sky. So likewise, IMO, the rapture is about protecting the saints from the falling hail from the sky. The biggest problem with the pre-tribulation doctrine is that when it does not happen then many saints will loose heart and be dismayed. Perhaps they will feel like they were abandoned. All because of a doctrine that is not a true doctrine or rather it is a misunderstood doctrine. Misunderstood because there is a pre-trib rapture but not for the saints in general but for the army that will put down the beast.
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Post by Natalie on Sept 21, 2021 9:12:53 GMT -6
mike , something to think about -- I have found that equating the "elect" with the church is a very Calvinist teaching. And in my opinion can lead to a replacement of Israel (can but doesn't have to). I think the ESV does a great job of how they use "elect," and it is a term to identify Jews. I have yet to find it clearly describing either the Church or Gentile believers.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel [the nation] failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect [believing Jews] obtained it, but the rest [unbelieving] were hardened,
2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. ("That they also" He is speaking to the predominately Gentile Church about Jews)
1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, (Peter was the apostle to the Jews, and he is writing to Jewish believers in Asia Minor living there after the Babylonian dispersion)
There is one time that angels are called elect, but if elect = Jews (specifically believing ones) how would that change your interpretation of
Mat 24:22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.
Mat 24:24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. (What group has had prophets and are looking for their Messiah?)
I believe that the focus of Daniel's 70th week if for the salvation of Israel. If it's goes too long, Israel would cease to exist. God must preserve Israel and have a believing remnant or everything He promised in the OT is a lie.
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Post by mike on Sept 21, 2021 10:16:24 GMT -6
Natalie does God respect persons and treat them differently or the same? The way Im reading what you said, you are considering non-believing Jews as elect. Why are they elect and more special than a non-believing someone from Egypt, Italy or someplace else? Or why does Paul use the term "election" in 1Thes 1:4? (KJV uses election, ESV says chosen). -The list you provided cited Matt 24:24 - how are the elect the Jews? They are currently led astray but suddenly when false Christs and false prophets appear they'll no longer be fooled? they are already blind, how will the onslaught of false prophets and false christs remove their blindness? True prophets and the actual Messiah didnt remove their blindness... -The list also cites Romans 8:33 - the passage has nothing to do with anyone other than those redeemed by Christ. - please read the context and understand this has nothing to do with Jews in unbelief, it is talking about the church for certain. I think you are quoting Romans 11:7 out of context also - the context of the verse says they were chosen but their blindness caused the gospel to be preached to the gentiles. Do you consider the verses preceding and following in your assertion? If Peter is the apostle to the Jews and Paul to the gentiles, why would Paul include the phrase in his letter to Timothy (2Tim 2:10) - moreover the verses proceeding and following have to do with death & resurrection, not a specific genetic people group rather those of the same faith in Christ. Natalie what are Jewish believers? Arent they believers just like me or you? There s no male/female, bond/free, etc. Why isnt Peter writing to believers? In 1Peter the NASB has it rendered as "to those who reside as aliens" and the LSV "chosen sojurners" - arent we believers all foreigners passing through longing for our true home? We are grafted in, not replacing FWIW God can still focus on national Israel during the 70th week. There is no pre-requisite for the believing body to be removed at that time. They are not mutually exclusive
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Post by Natalie on Sept 21, 2021 10:41:18 GMT -6
I don't know that I can give you a satisfactory answer. God picked the Jews - they are called the elect. However, yes, the Church is also chosen (Ephesians), but are not called the elect. It's not that one is better than the other or more important to God or whatever. It's just two groups chosen by God.
I didn't call unbelieving Jews the elect, Paul did - 2 Tim 2:10 But I see it as believing Jews during Daniel's 70th week as the elect. They will be the ones who are not deceived. They are the ones that God shortens the time so they are not destroyed.
And yes, Peter is writing truths for all believers, but his audience is believing Jews. Just read through 1 Peter and see how many references you can find to the OT. It's a beautiful book for all believers, but it would have been especially so to Jewish believers. Their Messiah had come and all the promises of God were beginning to be fulfilled to them. Yes, we are grafted in to the spiritual blessings but there is much that is only for the elect (the Jews). We all belong to God, but there are things that are different.
I know we see this differently, and there is probably not much more I can say on the topic.
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Post by tennessean on Sept 23, 2021 20:39:12 GMT -6
There is an intervening chapter that comes after Rev 4:1 and before Rev 4:2, that being in Daniel 7. I am sure you will be blessed by what you read. Now, this puts the context of Matthew 20:20-28 into proper perspective you may need to read and study these texts several times to get it down but I am sure it will lead you to believe the rapture is before the tribulation period of 7 years
Daniel Chapter 7
1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters.
2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.
6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
28 Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 25, 2021 18:10:25 GMT -6
mike , sog , disciple4life , boraddict , Natalie , tennessean , inaweofhim , boymaker3 Hello brothers and sisters, Just was thinking about this - and thought i would share it, because it's about the rapture timing. I've seen and heard multiple reports on both sides, which seem to be support "for" and "against" the notion of the Jewish calendar being "off" or behind one month this year. I don't know if anyone here has seen or can verify, but I've also heard that Torah calendar knows this is correct and is adding one extra leap month to correct the problem. Without the correction of the leap month 7 times every 19 years, then the Spring Feasts would end up in the Fall and vice versa. Then i saw another report by another watchman that just was so incredible - I just had to check it out and verify it myself, and it is mind-boggling. Sooooo, I'm not changing my story that the end times events are all inseparably linked to the 3 Fall Feasts. I'm also sticking with my position that Paul said that the Feasts are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is Christ. I'm also sticking to the notion that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever. So - I'm wondering what someone else asked --- If that is in fact the case that the calendar is off - then how does that fit if the True Feast of Trumpets is off by 1 month. That means that True Day of Atonement is off by one month -- 1 month later and True Sukkot/ Feast of Booths is also off by one month. They all fall a few days apart in Tishrei -- Sept this year, and if it's off, then that means they all are in Oct. The question was Jews around the world wouldn't even be paying attention, and no one would even be thinking about Rosh Hoshanah (New Year on the Civil calendar) nor would they be fasting, and not working on Yom Kippur - True Day of Atonement. So in other words, how would this provoke them to jealousy. ? Very very good point. Hmmmm. That goes into the huge "hmmmm, I just don't know" bucket. Then I was thinking more and more -- So let's just say, for kicks, that one month later, on the new moon, which Jews all over the world recognize is the start of the new month, - say 80 million people all go missing at once, and say another 30 million people - dead saints from all history up to now are resurrected - On the day that Jews everywhere all understand that the Great Resurrection happens. ** [Unlike the scores and scores of Christian denominations who can't even agree on the trinity- this is one point that is near consensus on among Jews.] How long do you think it would take them to make the connection that the resurrection happened on the New Moon - one month to the day after Yom Teruah. ? When Twitter and Instagram and FB and You-Tube and Tik-Tok all explode -- I'm guessing a day or less. So here's where it gets interesting. - The other report that blew my mind is this. If we count from Oct 7th , - add the two separate day counts given in Daniel and Revelation 1260 days [3 1/2 years on the prophetic calendar, plus 1260 days 3 1/2 years = 2550 days or 7 prophetic years. So far, 4th grade math, right. Ok, so add 2550 days from Oct 7th, 2021, [assuming for a minute that it is True Feast of Trumpets] and it comes to . . . wait for it . . . Day of Atonement 2028. Which, coincidentally, would then be the next Feast day in sequence to be fulfilled, and it takes us to the Second coming, - The Sentencing being poured out. If you put in 1335 - from Oct 7th, it lands on Pentecost, 2025. I used day and time calculator and Hebcal.com to put the dates in. It just blew my mind. It would be really interesting to see how the day count works next year. Then someone pointed out that the Draconid meteor shower is at it's peak on Oct 8th - Feast of Trumpets, and that there is another significant astronomical detail which seems to fit perfectly with the Revelation 12 sign. Wow. On the other side - against this line of thought - Mark Biltz shows how this civil year, that just started Sept 7th on Rosh Hoshanal - the head of the civil year, - Is a Schmita year - 7th year, and this is confirmed by multiple Jewish rabbis and multiple secular new agencies - so many reporting that the cost will be in the tens of millions to import so much grain and produce, because Jewish farmers must let the land rest this year. 2021/2022. The Schmita year - just look at the number on the Hebrew calendar and the Schmita year is divisible by 7. He also pointed out the shocking truth - turns out - Daniel was Jewish. and the 7 years are the last "Week" of 70 Schmita Weeks, which means that the Tribulation itself is a 7 year Schmita cycle. and the first year begins in the Fall of 2022. Hmmmm. Blessings - my sheepdog peeps.
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Post by boraddict on Sept 25, 2021 18:22:40 GMT -6
We are all waiting for the major events to begin and they will. I think the elections of 2024 are the big event that must be avoided but like going over a huge waterfall we can hear the roar of the water falling but can not see the event until the boat goes over the edge.
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 27, 2021 21:32:33 GMT -6
Hello guys, I was thinking so much about the world and the growing evil and lawlessness and the false prophets- it's just mind-blowing that anyone could not think we are in the end times. So I couldn't stop wondering how the math and the day counts would work out for one year from now, after I wrote the post about Mark Biltz and how this year is the 7th year in the 7 year Schmita cycle, with the 7th year being the picture of the weekly sabbath, the 7th year for the land to rest, the 7th age of the 1000 year Sabbath Millennium. [ and the 7 year tribulation is a 7 year schmita cycle.]🤯 If his theory is correct, then we should expect to find a precise match in the day counts. If the numbers didn't add up, then I think it's safe to assume Mark Biltz is mistaken, not Daniel. 🤣 So I plugged in the dates for Feast of Trumpets 2022. This is September 25-27, 2022. Then I added the two day counts of Daniel and Revelation of 3 1/2 years, (1260 days and 1290 days) which is 2550 days or 7 prophetic years. Exactly what one would expect if the notion is true of the rapture and second coming being fulfilled on the Fall feasts. It works out to the day- 2550 days from Feast of Trumpets, 2022 falls exactly on Yom Kippur, Day of Atonement, 2029. Then what's even more astounding- just for kicks, I kept thinking about the "1335 days" reference in Daniel. So I added 1335 to Feast of Trumpets 2022 ( Sept 25,and 26) and it lands to the day exactly on Shavout/Pentecost 2026. As you can imagine, I didn't expect these day counts to even match up this year- thought it was a mistake in the end-times guy's calculations. I was stunned. Then I was completely skeptical that the same 'fluke' with 3 feast days all matching the 3 different day counts could happen this coming year too. I mean what are the odds, yardstick? Only God . I'm pretty stoked. Maranatha. 1 Thes 5:4 but you are not children of darkness but of the day so that day will not surprise you like a thief in the night.
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Post by boymaker3 on Sept 28, 2021 16:46:31 GMT -6
That's fascinating D4L! So we have two years where it can all line up?
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