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Post by cwood85 on Oct 22, 2017 20:54:30 GMT -6
North Korea is going to blow themselves up before they are able to do damage to anyone else. That mountain they keep testing in is about to cave in and possibly set off a nearby super volcano. Radioactive lava, flying boulders, and hot ash anyone? Yes a distraction for sure. I don't know if that is necessarily the case, I've been wondering myself how NK fits into this late hour. But we have consistently underestimated their capability, and continue to be caught flat footed. Their underground nuke site may be now unusable, but from what I have heard lately, what they really need now is a surface test. The other components are a working re-entry vehicle and a working ICBM. They have all of the technology necessary, it's about perfecting it at this point. Do they play a role in some catalyst event that leads into the tribulation? Does America attack NK because of their weapons threat or some action they take and that is why America is unable or unwilling to come to Israel's aid during the Magog War? I could be completely wrong, but they are on the threshold and I think it would be premature to write them off. Oh I certainly think they are dangerous and should not be underestimated, however they seem so desperate to amp up their nuclear weapons they are not paying attention to other things, like the mountains they are causing to be on the verge of collapsing. China has evacuated and moved troops and civilians from the border where the mountains are from fear of nuclear chemicals and dust coming from the mountain. They know landslides are happening, they can see it in satellite photographs. I mean a distraction as in the media. All you here is NK NK NK!!! But important things other than ISIS happening in the Middle East, not so much.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 22, 2017 15:37:18 GMT -6
I feel like NK is a distraction although they could factor into the chaos or even get it started, but they were never the main attraction. To your other point, I saw something on One America News yesterday where liberals ousted Halloween in a MA town as it was not inclusive (enough). Talk about not living in a world tied to reality. I was like wow, even Satan's holiday isn't inclusive enough 😲 North Korea is going to blow themselves up before they are able to do damage to anyone else. That mountain they keep testing in is about to cave in and possibly set off a nearby super volcano. Radioactive lava, flying boulders, and hot ash anyone? Yes a distraction for sure.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 20, 2017 23:26:44 GMT -6
Can I just say I got a chuckle out of this lol!?! 🤣🙃😂 Because you make a good point and I learned something I was not entirely sure on. If I see some dudes shooting fire from their mouths, I will also be heading to the mountains in the smokies or out of this country. These are things I am looking for and will add to my research. I am pre trib, always have been even though most of my family has drifted away and are pre wrath/ only one second coming of Christ. I won't get into all of that here. I just want to make sure I have my ducks in a row the best I can, not relying on YouTube videos and the latter. But seriously though, thanks for the laugh and pointing out the obvious I will read Revelation 11 again for clarification. cwood85 and others, now you've gone and made me "chuckle". Promise me one thing, if your out in the mountains hunting and you happen to run into an elderly gentleman with very little hair, please don't shoot! Lol no shooting the locals in the mountains. Some of the nicest and most hard working people you will meet. Good with the land too. And lots of moonshine for ummm fuel for fire and the like I will tell you a little story. One where I really think the presence of God was all around. I felt Him everywhere down there, all around me. Through the locals and how they handled loosing everything. He is there in destruction, but not in the looming fearful sense. He was comforting and gentle, encouraging and kind. I went and visited Gatlinburg, TN this early spring after the fires. My family shares a timeshare down there every year and it was completely destroyed. Most of our resort was. We had seen photographs on social media of the area and the damage. It was so bad. The news barely covered it. Thousands of people lost their homes, vacation spots that were passed down from generation to generation, businesses burnt to nothing but ash. It was a beautiful place. It will take many years for the natural beauty that was once there to come back. My husband and his parents where not sure of what to expect when we went down there. The downtown area was spared, the fire only staying less than 50 ft from the edges of town. Many outer historical buildings and homes where gone. Over 75% of the housing was gone. Our mouths hung open as we drove through eerie burnt Black Forest. It was surreal and sad. Then we turned to go up the little quaint road that led to what was left of our resort. Every spring when we visited we would be surrounded by beautiful pink wild roses growing upon both sides of the road mixed with honeysuckle blooming in May. If heaven had a smell, I imagine it would be that mixed with a little mountain pine. Little mountain cabins and sleepy motels dotted the road alongside a beautiful roaring river. It was breathtaking. I have been going there for 15 years and I never get bored or tired of visiting. My honeymoon was there, both our children have been going since they were infants. We look forward to it every year. As we turned down the road leading to our resort, we started weeping. Nobody talked, just silent tears streaming down our faces as we drove up a road that now looked like a war had happened and then was bulldozed completely flat on both sides. Not one building remained. The trees were strangled, twisted, and charred poles with some scraggly branches here and there on them. The natural foliage was gone. The fire burned so hot, it melted the road in places. The only thing that was left was a few foundations that were built of stacked stone. An old stone baptist church from the 1920's burned. This is how it was everywhere surrounding the town. Whole sides of mountains were burned to the rock. I was so angry for the people that lived there. This was brushed off by the media and most of the government as no big deal. Nothing to see here... But the people, although sad and still shaken at their loses (you could see it in their faces) did not complain. Everyone was working hard, rebuilding, helping, and being of good service. Some talked of loosing everything they owned, but they where not depressed. Just ready to rebuild and thanking the Lord that they were alive and their families safe. Dolly Parton dontated so much to the people and town to help. Hundreds of thousands of dollars. I understood why the media nore the government wasn't covering much. It wasn't needed. They had fully put their faith in God that He would provide and take care of them. He did just that. Everywhere you went, people were painting, building new roofs, tearing down burned up buildings with a peace and calm I have never witnessed before. No standing around waiting for a paycheck or crying for help and not lifting a finger. They just had faith and it led them along and God took care of the rest. It was a very humbling experience. Well sorry to derail, I guess I have a soft spot for those mountains and the people there
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 20, 2017 22:06:53 GMT -6
Fair enough...I starting doing exactly what I didnt want to do, calculating days...Maybe we are in the beginning stages, maybe we are not. Either way I'm ok with it. This one I thing I am confident in, His appearance is soon! kjs - could the Micah 5 birth be the 9/23 sign? We are just easing into the Trib? Possible I believe it could point to it; but I do not believe the "birth" has happened. Micah 5 makes clear the Abandonment Ends at the time of the Birth, I see nothing "on earth" today that shows the Abandonment is over. Reason why I am strong Pre-Trib is because I believe the Rapture is the key event which God changes His focus from the Church to Israel. Micah is great telling us the when (at Birth) -- but fails to identify what Birth -- most of us (I included felt the Sign pointed to the Birth talked about in Micah) -- yet nothing including the sign -- actually shows the birth. Guesses - said on Sept 9th -- when Jupiter left the Womb Sept 23rd -- the primary sign Oct 13th -- Leaving Virgo So far nothing seems to have panned out. Yes because what else would make them jealous? They could have disasters, wars, you name it, but non of that would drive them to jealousy. They are not even really fighting for their Temple Mount, not yet anyways.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 20, 2017 17:40:07 GMT -6
^^^^ That is exactly why I am doing the research I am doing. I am in the best way I can and know how, clearing my mind of pre conceived beliefs and regardless of what mine are clearing the slate, and just praying and focusing on scripture before doing my research. I want an answer or at least a hint, I do not want to hear mans view or opinions at this point ( not saying to disregard research at all and I explain more below ). I want Gods view and truth! It is in the bible and I am trying to be in a quiet environment when I read and pray and take down and organize the information I am researching. I know there are scholars out there, pastors, preachers who have studied the word for decades. I am not discrediting them or saying what they say is incorrect, because in all honesty I do not know. But while I am doing this research, my sole and entire focus is what does God say, what is His word? And most importantly asking if this leads me closer to Him? Because that is all I want the truth from Him and to learn as much as I can to be closer to Him.
I will post my results as I am focusing on sequence of events. Probably going to chart or map them. This is a great thread, thanks everyone Hello cwood85 , mike , bruce , others. For a moment, [I'm following Mike's reasoning - as a hypothetical measure - put aside the rapture for a minute] so we don't become myopic, and just try to look at the Tribulation period independent from the rapture. Let's try to think of it as one transparency sheet, ** the overlays in National treasure, and the Harpazo is another piece of plastic film. Check this out - It's been there all the time, I just couldn't see the trees because of the forest - What do you all think.?? I just offer it as a piece of the puzzle. ;-) ***Here's the reason we can't have the Tribulation start without a trigger event - [In other words, why it couldn't be possible that the Tribulation actually started on Sept 23, or Feast of Trumpets -- or say, July 4th.] Hold with me - we're all pretending/ that there is no rapture/ or it's at the end - and trying to isolate the Tribulation - as a separate overlay.
This verse says that the 2 witnesses will prophesy 1260 days - This is the entire first half of the Tribulation - no guessing, no speculation. While it's not 100% clear WHO they are, they will prophesy 1260 days and will shoot fire from their mouths and destroy anyone who opposes them. Wwhhhhhooooooaaaa. Most speculate Enoch and Elijah. Enoch was a Gentile ;-) Hmmmm. Two who did not see death, but were 'translated'. www.prophecyforum.com/witnesses.html "Revelation 11:3-14. The Two Witnesses wearing sackcloth prophesy 1,260 days—a ministry which, if taken literally, would correspond with the forty-two months of judgments already described. Obviously, these two witnesses are real people with miraculous powers like Moses and Elijah, here to preach and witness during the entire first half of the Tribulation. It may be through their witness that the 144,000 are saved and sent out preaching. As dreadful a time as this will be, God is faithful to provide plenty of gospel preaching to the nations."
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that if there were two dudes prophesying in Jerusalem, wearing sackcloth, and they have fire shooting out of their mouths, killing anyone who tries to harm them - Facebook and Twitter and Instagram would explode, and it would be on every newsfeed in the free world. What are your thoughts. ? ? I would be shouting from the rooftops that I and all my Pre-tribulation friends were wrong, and then it's time to start the huge batch of Spinach artichoke dip, and start stocking up on the canned goods. It would make everything much much simpler. Get out the calendar and the highlighter.
Can I just say I got a chuckle out of this lol!?! 🤣🙃😂 Because you make a good point and I learned something I was not entirely sure on. If I see some dudes shooting fire from their mouths, I will also be heading to the mountains in the smokies or out of this country. These are things I am looking for and will add to my research. I am pre trib, always have been even though most of my family has drifted away and are pre wrath/ only one second coming of Christ. I won't get into all of that here. I just want to make sure I have my ducks in a row the best I can, not relying on YouTube videos and the latter. But seriously though, thanks for the laugh and pointing out the obvious I will read Revelation 11 again for clarification.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 20, 2017 14:38:36 GMT -6
@cage Glad to see you back
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 20, 2017 12:01:36 GMT -6
But MikeTaft , my earlier point is (big) IF the Trib had started 9/23 (humor me), we the bride aren't really beaten yet are we? Numerous disasters, with minimal casualties. This "I'm pre-trib" well "I'm pre-wrath", but the Bible tells me "post-wrath" debate will continue. I think there is a ton of validity on identifying the 70th aside from our Rapture timing biases. Throw those out for a minute, think outside the box of what we've all heard before. *Disclaimer - I am not saying God will not perform His word, but maybe our views are askew and we don't recognize it. Imminency has been so widely held for so long. Consider that in the process. Why does Gods shift to Israel have to be a hard/fast stop with a cataclysmic event like the rapture? Why can't it be gradually building like tension in tectonic plates? ^^^^ That is exactly why I am doing the research I am doing. I am in the best way I can and know how, clearing my mind of pre conceived beliefs and regardless of what mine are clearing the slate, and just praying and focusing on scripture before doing my research. I want an answer or at least a hint, I do not want to hear mans view or opinions at this point ( not saying to disregard research at all and I explain more below ). I want Gods view and truth! It is in the bible and I am trying to be in a quiet environment when I read and pray and take down and organize the information I am researching. I know there are scholars out there, pastors, preachers who have studied the word for decades. I am not discrediting them or saying what they say is incorrect, because in all honesty I do not know. But while I am doing this research, my sole and entire focus is what does God say, what is His word? And most importantly asking if this leads me closer to Him? Because that is all I want the truth from Him and to learn as much as I can to be closer to Him.
I will post my results as I am focusing on sequence of events. Probably going to chart or map them. This is a great thread, thanks everyone
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 20, 2017 6:30:29 GMT -6
This is something that I've been contemplating, as well, mike, especially as the American eclipses are to be 7 years apart. The only thing that keeps me hesitant as I ponder it is the idea that the 7 years would be started by the covenant with many, which we haven't seen yet. But what if the Revelation 12 sign in the heavens is indeed the starting of all the events that we find in the Book of Revelation? My thoughts exactly, Whatif. I think the covenant with many, Treaty. Is the big Mega Trigger event, that starts Daniels day count. There has to be time to build the temple, before there can be ***Sacrifices there. When do Jews do sacrifices.?
While the UN and similar are not going to twist Israels hand to sign a peace deal and split the land, the compromise of being able to build their temple with no quarrels for a slice of land in return would probably be a go. In my opinion at least that makes the most sense. Going to keep paying attention to the headlines, especially as everyone keeps putting the pressure on Israel. You KNOW Trump and his son in law know that is what they want. They are the ultimate deal makers. This is going to be presented to both sides. They have go fund me and similar support groups pushing and paying for the temple to be completed like yesterday. disciple4life is right, everything is primed and ready, now.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 19, 2017 23:39:21 GMT -6
Ya know bruce, the amount of time and threads we've been talking about how the FoT had to be the rapture and coincided so close to the Great Sign we overlook the possibility of the 70th week already being started. I mean why can't it already have begun? Where do we get that the rapture precisely kicks off 7 yrs.? Why didn't the Great Sign start the 70th week? mikeAlso in agreement with this. Where does it say all hell will break loose the day, or first few months of the 70th week? It does not, not at least to my understanding... Things did get pretty bad right after the eclipse, that was apparent even to non believers. It think that was a warning of things to come, not so much a 40 days of just repentance. Which usually when disasters like that strike, more people are brought to the Lord. But I think that this needs to be looked into more. I am in the process of mapping out every rapture verse and reference that I know of in the Bible. If anyone wants to chime in on that or look over anything that I may have missed, please feel free to help out. 👉🏻👉🏻👉🏻EDIT💡 THE MORE COLLECTIVE THINKING WE CAN GET TOGETHER ON THIS KIND OF STUDYING THE BETTER. WHATEVER VERSES YOU KNOW OF, PLEASE LIST BELOW. Thank you
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 19, 2017 23:20:48 GMT -6
mike I see you got a promotion. Congratulations! From what I can tell from the word apostasy used in the Greek is not so much indicating the rapture, here is the strongs Greek definition: 646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, "leave, depart," which is derived from 575 /apó, "away from" and 2476 /histémi, "stand") – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, "a leaving, from a previous standing." It is only used twice in the Bible. Here is the other verse, Acts 21:21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. The word FORSAKE in this verse is the same Greek word. This verse is describing a mindset change. To no longer circumcise. To change from past beliefs or mindset to a new or different one. What is the church doing today? Falling away from the word of God. Turning away and forsaking it. The way the word is used and what is means to me, does not mean a physical leaving, but a mental one from a previous state of mind. EDIT: Opps, quoted the wrong thread linda
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 19, 2017 22:06:40 GMT -6
mikeI like the KJV as well I usually look at both the kjv, nkjv, and the nasb, and then the inter linear Greek or Hebrew online lol. Which is probably why it takes me so long to study. I want to make sure I am not missing something however. I usually have my nkjv with me at all times though, for when I get a chance to read outside of my home. I know many read in their phones or tablet, but I am old school and like the feel of a book in my hands. I will let you know what I come up with.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 19, 2017 22:01:00 GMT -6
I have been looking into this too! But for Hebrew. Just starting and really intrigued by it. Well, from what I understand, Hebrew and Phoenician are similar. Very similar. Yes they are
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 19, 2017 21:48:23 GMT -6
I love y'all! Each and every person here. And I'm so HAPPY that Silentknight is back! Now gotta work on Cage. ^^^ tiffanybwYou are awesome my dear. I was sad to see Cage go and it took me a few days to fully process what had happened in the other thread. Honestly still not 100%... It was on my mind for days though. @silentknight Your responses to that had clarified a lot. Thank you. I honestly felt very awkward being categorized in the way I was when I was tagged by Cage :/ Wasn't sure how or what to think of that. I came back back and reread this thread though. When you first posted it, I read it several times but did not reply. Maybe I should have. My initial reaction was very emotional, towards myself that is. I wanted what you had lol. The way you talked about having a conversation with the Lord, it made me choke up. It really hit a deep note, that I think is missed by many. Maybe simply because we are not aware that it could be possible or look for it. I was in complete awe and envious. Not in a bad way though, because I thought what a beautiful thing You have.To just talk to the Lord, like you would with people everyday, ask him to inspire and guide your every move, asking to be shown what to look for or whatever. All I could think of was I want that kind of relationship with the Lord and what do I need to do to get it. I wanted to to post this to the other thread, but it got locked before I had a chance.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 19, 2017 21:11:13 GMT -6
Lol tiffanybw , you are funny sistah! On a very personal note, please dont ever compare me to yardstick , not only is he a geek, but he's is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy smarter than me. Seriously YS your analysis on things helps me learn although I do not fully grasp much of what you write. I literally read through the "Calculating the number of the beast" thread twice and still dont get it. But I'll shoot over and try once more then ask questions. Tiff the comparison to Biff is classic...that was me in grammar & high school. OK maybe after that too without the "nuggies"(sp?). er... Thanks... Basically I was curious about why the author said the wise could calculate the number. I understood that to mean it was encoded somehow. I have seen attempts to 'translate' the number to something meaningful before. They do not seem to make much sense. I started with the greek, came up with nothing, and then 'stumbled upon' the relationship between greek and phoenician. I think the older a language gets, the more 'pictographic' it gets. I also think it gets closer to the truth. The more exposure to other cultures a culture has, the more the language changes. That is why Chinese and Japanese have hardly changed in thousands of years. But modern english is substantially different than old english. Pictographic letters represent more than one thing. English letter T means only one thing. But the phoenician T, depending on context, can mean 3 different things! Older languages are much more compact. They convey much more nuance. Latin is a prime example. "Veni, Vedi, Veci" is only three words in latin, but to say the same thing in english, takes 6 words: "I came, I saw, I conquered". The latin has 12 letters, but english has 19 letters... "Semper" is translated in english about 6 different ways: Forever, Always, Endless, Eternal, Everlasting, and Perpetual (my favorite). I am sure there are more because there are so many synonyms in English. But in Latin, the context of the sentence defines the nuance of the word. English requires the use of synonyms (different words, not variants on the same word) to convey nuances. Less so, syntax. So even though greek is very old, already it has lost some of the letters' meanings. I couldnt find unique meanings for several of the letters. Then hit upon looking at the phoenician parent language. Phoenician is much older than greek. About the same age as hebrew. Hebrew letters have phonic use, numerical use, and pictographic use as well (each letter represents a word - has a definition). Same for phoenician. Sorry to derail the thread. I have been looking into this too! But for Hebrew. Just starting and really intrigued by it.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 19, 2017 21:00:41 GMT -6
Ya know bruce, the amount of time and threads we've been talking about how the FoT had to be the rapture and coincided so close to the Great Sign we overlook the possibility of the 70th week already being started. I mean why can't it already have begun? Where do we get that the rapture precisely kicks off 7 yrs.? Why didn't the Great Sign start the 70th week? I believe in a pre-trib rapture, but that's changing. I'm starting to believe that it's more "pre-judgement" or "beginning judgement before it gets bad" rapture. With all the disasters around the world it's horrible that people die, but in all honesty there has not been mass casualties. Come to think of it, the Vegas shooting may have been the worst of any other since Aug 21. The feasts may be linked to Messiah (as disciple4life insists - not saying your wrong bro, please know there is not any tone with that 😜) but why can't all 3 be fulfilled at the end of the Trib. You know 7 yrs from now? We pray and witness and live a Godly example with the short days we have to go Mike I have been looking into this A LOT. Praying on it a lot and now starting to chart/mind map it. Literally asking outloud to the Lord, what am I looking for? What is the truth? There are sooo many different ideas and theologies, why is this so hard? Not in a frustrated way, but in more of a lack of understanding and faith on my end. My biggest clue on this however is 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-3 1Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, This is an answer to the church, because to the same church in 1st Thessalonians Paul reveals the rapture to them. Here he is reassuring them because false doctrine is already being spread around and they are getting confused (sound familiar?) so he tells them when it will be and what needs to happen first. I personally do not think this is talking about the second coming because of how he talks about being gathered with the Lord and this is in response to him revealing the rapture in the first letter. I am still studying this. Just my two cents however. Sometimes I wonder if we are making things more complicated than they really are or need to be... not saying of that on anyone in particular, just as a collective whole. There are people in this group who understand the sequence of events far better than I. Please fell free to chime in
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