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Post by cwood85 on Oct 13, 2017 17:44:53 GMT -6
Disclaimer: My own opinion only as I tiptoe to the fringe. Human experience is composed of two things. There is the logical/concrete/repeatable ("real" to some) and there is the experiential, which to most might be a religious experience or, perhaps, falling in love might be the most universal example. For others an experience might be witnessing the paranormal, a UFO encounter, or a near-death experience. Yet to them that experience is the most absolutely real thing they have encountered. (Disclaimer #2: I'm not endorsing any of those things. Except the love. I endorse the love.) There have been times when God has brought a revelatory experience to people without them necessarily wanting or expecting it, but I suspect in general, people do not find what they do not seek. Logic brings understanding to a degree, but ultimately each person receives certainty of truth in some very personal way. sorrynotsorry did you ever see the sci-fi movie Contact? I thought they did a great job wrestling with the dichotomy of the concrete vs. the experiential. Very cool point actually! I totally know what you’re talking about. I also agree that there is a completely “experiential” element to knowledge, especially spiritual knowledge. The problem for me, especially when it comes to people saying “god told me ____” is that I’ve heard this so many times from people who are clearly not hearing from God (there is a ton of this on YouTube such as the guy who spent a whole year telling everyone who would listen that God told him that the rapture would happen Oct 5th FOR SURE) or from people who are clearly attributing their own thoughts to God (such as someone who says God told me to marry so-and-so but clearly the other person isn’t interested, or my own father-in-law who swore God told him I was pregnant with boy who would be a great prophet and I gave birth to a girl) . My point is that even if some people that claim to receive instruction from God really do, how would I know who to believe because so many people that claim to hear from him have been proven wrong (not to mention all the Muslims that also “hear” from Allah) When I was younger and a Christian I was taught to listen to the “still, small voice” of God, and I *really* thought I could hear it. Now that I’m not religious I realize I still totally have that “still, small voice” but I don’t call it God, I call it intuition or perhaps even my subconscious. Now does this mean as my sister-in-law thinks that I was never saved (just faking it from age 3-30) ? Maybe, but if that’s true I didn’t know I was faking it. I have prayed multiple times (especially when I was first starting to doubt my beliefs) please God just help me believe. I mean really wasn’t asking for much, not a miracle, not a voice, I just wanted to believe. But nothing happened. Nada. In fact the opposite happened. My sister-in-law believes God elects who will saved, and she basically told me “sorry, I guess you just weren’t chosen” lol well can’t argue with that! Anyways I totally got this thread off topic but I guess after today the 13th won’t be a big discussion point anyways. “sorry, I guess you just weren’t chosen” ^^^^ That is a really horrible thing to have said to you, and entirely not true. I will tell you something, my mother started into THAT and that belief is predestination. When she explained to me her beginning beliefs on that, I was infuriated and actually left. I had to cool down, pray, and really think about it and importantly go to scripture. My Aunt believes this and unfortunately my mother follows right along with her on many things before doing any research for herself. I know I can come off as blunt, I am sorry, but I do commend you asking what you do. It takes a lot of guts to ask questions in a group or atmosphere that you do and are new to. I am sorry, but what a slap in the face from your SIL. A slap in the face to you, and most of all to Jesus dying on the cross. If we are predetermined by God, and chosen, then what was the entire purpose of Jesus being crucified on the cross? None, there would be absolutely no point. Now do I believe that God being all knowing and outside of time knows who will join him? Of course, but it is not entirely by his choosing... we have free will, we have the choice to do right or wrong, that is a lot of how we are in his image. We have the ability to create, make things, do wonderful things! We also have the ability to destroy, hurt, and do horrible things. We have the choice of whether to know He is there and loves or he isn't. All choices and actions have a reaction, consequences and effect our lives. I have some pretty strong testimony in here. I have had some really bad experiences in my life and I tried to handle them on my own for years. It did not work, at all. I was to the point of offing myself. And not the threaten to do it, no, this was entirely kept to myself and had become a fact that I was going to do it. Not one soul knew how bad my mental state had become. I had a when, a how, and a where all planned out. What to use and how to make it so once the process started, I couldn't back out. No one should ever ever have to go through thoughts like that. They tear you into a thousand pieces and then get ran through the wood chipper just to make sure you are truly and utterly defeated. The only way I came out of that was through Jesus. Not me, not one ounce of it was me. I was smashed to bits and He lovingly and carefully put me back together. Not all at once, but I began to fill with a peace and quiet I had not felt in years. A warmth of love started coming back. Yes, I had asked, begged as I held what I was going to do it with in my hand. I threw it away. He gave me that strength. I had none left, not a drop. He will show up, look for Him, not proof. He is always there.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 12, 2017 19:45:06 GMT -6
I agree. He was crucified on Passover because he forced Judas hand the night before at the Passover feast by calling him out in front of everyone. Judas had no choice at that point but to complete his betrayal. Jesus wanted it to happen on that day, and that was when it was going to happen.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 11, 2017 16:30:03 GMT -6
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 11, 2017 13:19:13 GMT -6
this didn’t answer my question, I have read the Bible. Many times, but more importantly I have studied it. I know you don’t believe you’ll be around in 100 years, but that’s my point exactly. All it takes for someone to stop believing in Santa is to see that he doesn’t actually deliver presents on Christmas. What modern day Christians are doing is saying “Santa (Jesus) is coming to bring us our presents (rapture) before Christmas (2068) ....now once you’ve done this, if that date passes you have made it MUCH harder for Christianity to be credible. Once youve seen that Santa doesn’t come, you never go back to believing. So I wonder what that would do to a religion? The early christians (yep 2000 yrs ago) thought Jesus was coming back any day. What happened when He didn't? Oh Christianity continued to spread and grow. How about the alleged rapture dates contained here most notably John Wesley in 1836. Christianity disperse after that? It's almost as if something just continued to spread, despite the hiccups of man and our faults, date setting, and so on. Like something through acceptance and power beyond our measure and control just kept on keeping on for those willing to accept it. Something that came about shorty after Jesus died... Oh yeah!! The Holy Spirit and the living word of God. Gods gift for those who believe that Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose from the dead. Part of Him in us, for free out of love. All the the things you sorrynotsorry mentioned have already happened many times over, and faith and Christianity still seems to be going as far as I can tell. Tell me this, if non of this was real, why then is it trying to be wiped out by those who hate Christ? Not religion, because Islam, Buddhism, and such or ok in schools, colleges, and businesses around the world. My college around 12 years ago was making worshiping and washing rooms for the Islamic believers. Separate bathrooms and everything. Now, if I or a group of people demanded prayer rooms or a quit separate room for our bible study of Jesus, we would be ignored, probably laughed at for being ridiculous, called racist, a bigot, you name it. So why is that? Other religions are respected. Not Christianity, and we were told this would be so. I have asked you in different threads and have yet to receive an answer, WHAT is your purpose here? Going to Sunday school and reading the Bible and claiming to be knowledgeable is no different than what the Pharisee did. Sure, they knew the words of bible and scripture, but they didn't KNOW it or BELIEVE it. And for that very reason, God himself stood before them as a man, as prophesied many many times, and they didn't know it. And then they killed Him. But, they sure knew their bible and the law
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 11, 2017 11:38:29 GMT -6
GPS while I don't doubt what you saw, you shouldn't assume everything NASA said it's false. For example the moon. It reflects the sun and does not have its own light. How do I know? We just had an eclipse that proves the moon will darken the sun. If it gave its own light we would have seen it. I do after they only tell us what they want us to hear, but it's not all false. Second that. Also moon phases would not be possible if it gave its own light. Full, half, crescent, etc.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 10, 2017 21:59:28 GMT -6
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 10, 2017 21:51:31 GMT -6
Very interesting. The part about the Alaska quake in 1964, he said that wells went dry near van Wert Ohio. I am from near there and if I remember right, our well did something too. No one knew what was going on. Wait, wells went dry in Ohio when there was a huge Earthquake in Alaska? That earthquake was devastating.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 10, 2017 18:33:17 GMT -6
The ministry of truth, oops I mean google, heavily sensors search results. That is a lot if it. If it does not fit their agenda, they drop or mess with the search results.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 10, 2017 17:29:22 GMT -6
Hello cwood85,
**Disclaimer before we talk about dreams and visions. At first, - just when I saw the thread, I thought - "Oh Brother, another person, saying God told them something in a dream." This was NOT that at all, and very refreshing. :-) Continue to test it and weigh it through scripture and others, and asking for wisdom. James chapter 1. I really hope you are encouraged - I love the humility and the aspect of "weighing". [This might be the Holy Spirit revealing something, but it could be bad pizza.] The humility and caution that you show, is what's missing in the vast majority of 'I had a dream' blogs, and threads. Tremendous damage has been done to the church as a result of people who actually had a dream or vision and - It was really Not from God at all- not necessarily saying it was evil, but it was just bad pizza. Something they ate, or some other influence.
- It was a real dream that could have some importance, and maybe even a warning, or something by the Holy Spirit, but they mis-understood it, misinterpreted it. They extrapolated some meaning that was incorrect. **Sometimes, they even attach a wrong fact or wrong understanding of scripture to their dream, to make a point.
- It was a thought, that was actually planted by the enemy, (confusion, accusations and lies about us, or about God's character.) - He is the accuser of the brethren, his greatest weapon is lies. Scripture says that he tempts us - and he tempted Christ. He can't make us sin, but he can plant lies or confusion. We are commanded to weigh/test things and take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ.
2 Corinthians 10:4-5 New International Version (NIV) 4 "The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. 5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ." Three dreams, three lessons. ***People's dreams and 'interpretations' of these dreams, or what God is saying through these dreams is already shaped by our world-view, prior opinions or incorrect information. The best example of this is the countless people who experienced 'supernatural' stigmata - bleeding from the hands, which was shaped by their ignorance of history and Biblical languages. They thought that Jesus was pierced in the hand. When this was proven to be impossible medically, and scientifically and linguistically, (many languages don't have separate words for hands and wrist) the 'stigmata/ supernatural bleeding' moved from the hands to the wrist. 1. A great example of this was the dream, by some gal named Melissa on You-tube who had a dream that Feast of Trumpets was 'changed' this year. - and others had a special dream from God, revealing special insight that the calendars are 'Off' - the same dream that gets repeated every year in the Fall, when the rapture doesn't happen on Yom Teruah or Day of Atonement. **They -?? The rabbis? forgot to add the extra leap month, so everything is delayed. 2. And another person on this forum, said God showed him/her the exact day, month, year, and minute of an event in history- and this person's understanding of this event was shaped and influenced by false information, and other witnessed events in History. God will never tell us something that violates or contradicts scripture. ***Anytime, anyone says "God told me ... in a dream . . . there should be red flags. Scripture is clear that in the last days, people will have dreams and visions, but the primary way God speaks is through scripture !!!! One of the most fundamental points of Biblical interpretation is that we - Never Use Experience - (our own or anyone else's experience) as a lens to interpret scripture. We should always interpret our experience through scripture, not scripture through/or by our experience. 3. Another example was from my own Bible college . A very handsome young guy came, and then a gal in college had a "dream that God told her she would marry him." Then another gal had a dream that God told her she would marry this guy. -- If we just have this information - is it possible that one of the gals did indeed hear from God??? Yes. -- We also know that one must be mistaken. Maybe both. A third lady had the same dream, and a fourth. Yes, really. -- What was not known to us or them, was that this very handsome man was already married, but didn't have a wedding ring. ***Their interpretation/ understanding was skewed by ignorance/ missing information. We also should be very skeptical if anyone makes a claim of special/ private revelation. It's a sure sign of a false teacher/ cult leader.
The same for people who say that the Revelation 12 sign was fulfilled this year. **It still could be fulfilled, and it was fulfilled before, but it hasn't been yet, this year. There was an alignment that happened, as predicted by multiple constellation software programs. A sign points to something ahead, or at this immediate location. I get that it can take some time to play out. A "falling rocks" could be a mile or two ahead, but it's not 167 miles ahead, in the next state. The "Stop sign" in a college dorm room - is not fulfilled.
Blessings. Maranatha.
I struggled greatly with this post. Is it best to just leave it alone? Or does it need to be dealt with. Am I edifying the body by commenting? Or am I keeping the peace by saying nothing? In the end, I have decided to respond. I had written a much larger response, but perhaps this will strike the right balance. …………………. The comments about humbly submitting what we think we hear from the Lord, back to the Lord and to the body are awesome comments. Good job disciple4life. But this same level of humility ought to be expressed in our outright denouncing of what others have heard from God. I think we should be much more careful about dismissing the work of the Holy Spirit and attributing it to Satan or rotten food. Nobody here is disputing that all things should be tried with scripture. But we can’t even agree with what scripture says - so we should be very careful in declaring that something is against scripture when, in truth, we might simply not understand. Something in scripture may seem totally obvious to one person and still be completely wrong. Consider what Abraham’s “friends” would have said when he told them that God told him that he was supposed to kill his son. Certainly that would violate everyone’s understanding of who God is and what his law is and what scripture would say. And yet….by faith Abraham acted according to the Word he heard. Others would have simply been wrong and too proud to know it. The Word of the Lord is living, dynamic, and active in each moment. I understand where this post is coming from, but it did burden me greatly. I have learned over many years that God is someone who is talking to his people all the time! We do need to learn how to hear, translate, interpret, and distribute the Word and there is room for growth in these areas. While learning, we will occasionally corrupt his Word due to our own idols in our hearts. But others should be very humble in their approach to dismissing the Word that may be being spoken to others instead of assuming they understand the scriptures better than others. Well said silent. I hope I have not stepped on any toes posting this or come off as someone special. It is not easy to post things like this. I would only tell my mother something like this, everyone else in my family would look at me like I am crazy. This is a special group here. Thank you. Dreams are very personal and to put it out there has had me going back and forth the last few days. But when I really started looking into certainthings, my mouth dropped open and I am having a hard time processing this. If anything, because I really do not know well enough of the Bible to know where to even look for information regarding these dreams. To be completely honest, I am having a hard time with it. There is a lot going in these dreams, and well I am just little ole me and am a little overwhelmed. I think maybe people who God possibly has spoken to via dreams if they are true would feel that way to. Again, I do not know for sure if that is the case here. I ask for understanding or this was from the Lord and it is coming in bits and pieces. But someone said earlier that it was "heavy." You just do not know how right you are. Heavy and overwhelming. The range of emotions that I felt were very real, and stuck with me for days. I woke up from it still angry with Satan. I probably would have punched him had he been there for real when I woke up lol. Thank you everyone for your responses. Can anyone suggest some more scripture regarding this please?
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 10, 2017 14:32:46 GMT -6
I don't know if this is an appropriate place to post this, but I'll go ahead. You all can let me know if it's not. I have frequently had weird dreams in my life and they are almost always meaningless or about something I've been thinking about a lot already. I've had a few dreams where I feel pretty sure they were symbolic of something spiritual, but never anything magnificent or huge. On Sept. 23, I felt really, really hopeful that the Lord would come in the clouds, so I spent the whole morning (live in Kansas- Central time) at my mom and dad's graves. I was so hoping to see dirt fly, if that might be the way the dead in Christ are raised. Of course I guess that it's possible that they just disappear out of their caskets and are with the Lord in the air, with no one on earth seeing anything unusual. I guess I hope that the graves split open so as to show the world that the rapture really happened and that the Bible is true. Like many of you, I was sad when it didn't happen, but I thought to myself, "Well, I know he's still coming sometime, and we just didn't know enough or didn't interpret things accurately." I felt quite peaceful actually. The next morning as the sun was coming up, I had an incredible dream that I don't know the source of: either my brain that has been thinking of nothing else for months, or a dream from God. If it was just my brain, I'm kind of amazed where some of it came from. I've only told one person, and that was about the only person I knew who i thought would not mock me. The dream: I was outdoors sitting in very green grass, next to my garage and driveway (although I don't have a garage), nice fall weather, maybe close to sundown. My husband was there, my two sisters (who live far away from me), and my grandson whom I'm very close to. He's 14 now, but in the dream he was a toddler. We were just relaxing, enjoying the outdoors. The sky started to get dim much more quickly than the dusk of sundown; it was just like during the eclipse, except it kept getting darker and darker until it was pitch black and there were billions of stars visible. The unnatural thing was that I could still see my sisters, husband, and grandson who was sitting in my lap, as if a very faint little spotlight was lighting them. We all KNEW that it was the rapture and we were quiet, sitting there looking up at the sky. One of my sisters has said that she has greatly diverged from the Christian path that our parents raised us on - and that's all she will say, and I've spent so much time praying for her. I asked her if she knew Jesus as her Savior and the only way to God the father. She confidently said, "Oh, yes!" The other sister (who is a strong Christian) told me to be quiet because she was trying to pray. Nothing was happening fast; it was like a show that starting to begin, as if gathering the attention of everyone on earth. Then we saw a shooting star which shot clear across the sky against the backdrop of the billions of stars and never faded out. Then ALL the stars rapidly flew away, from left to right. The sky was empty and pitch black, and then a tiny dot of light appeared very high in the sky with teeny, skinny electrical arcs shooting all the way to the ground, flashing and jerking like the kind you see in a plasma ball when you touch it. Then they stopped and the small dot of light grew slowly, moving towards us, and then huge lightning bolts started shooting out of the growing, intensely white 'blob', not long bolts, but short, wide, very powerful bolts, many of them, shooting in all directions, both white and yellow. The 'blob' was pulsating and rumbling, flashing and growing, and the sound of thunder and rumblings shook the earth. We were fascinated and watched silently, knowing what was happening. As strong as the visible and audible parts of the dream were, what was much stronger and unshakable was the power and force and authority that the dream conveyed. In the dream, my mind thought, "There is no denying that this is God...that only God could remove the stars and show his unbelievable power." There was the sense that everything could explode if He wanted it to. Then the ALARM went off. I tried to go back to sleep, hoping to see more, but couldn't. I thought about the dream all day that Sunday and since, and it occurred to me, that IF it were a dream from God, he knew exactly when the alarm would sound and he allowed me to see however much he wanted me to see. I have never once imagined anything like this in my awake state, so if it was just my brain dreaming, it was still amazing. I know of no scripture that says that the skies will darken at the rapture. It only says that he's coming in the clouds. I think I'm only telling you all this because it impacted me strongly and I don't think you will laugh at me. That is an amazing dream!!!
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 10, 2017 11:53:02 GMT -6
unsealed.boards.net/thread/600/terrifying-dream-jolted-back-lord
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 10, 2017 10:55:15 GMT -6
The number of rounds satan fires at you was six. Even that "small" detail stuck out to me. Thanks again for sharing that my friend😀 Yes, definitely could not forget that in my dream, I counted each time he fired. I was terrified and stunned at the same time that no bullets left the chamber.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 10, 2017 8:14:04 GMT -6
disciple4lifeThank you for pointing all of that out. No, I certainly would not claim this is a vision or anything like that, because I do not know. There are some very interesting things, and some things that are not surprising because I have been immersing myself in the bible, especially the revelation 12 chapter and similar. Is it a coincidence that I would dream about something that I am into all the time, no I do not think so. Our brains are quiet amazing and can produce some very amazing ideas and thoughts. Satan, his appearance, and the way he acted was very disturbing. It was hard to watch, even in my dream. That is something I am searching out. The cottage that I went into is also something I am searching out because up until just a couple of weeks ago, I did not know anything about booths or tabernacles, so that is also interesting to me. Thank you for your response.
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 9, 2017 22:43:51 GMT -6
I don't think that is the end of it unfortunately :/
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Post by cwood85 on Oct 9, 2017 22:15:16 GMT -6
What is JCPOA lol?
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