Gog and Magog of London

Apr 28, 2017 22:57:29 GMT -6 watchmanjim said:

"The huge figures that you will see on the day of the Lord Mayor’s Show are just the latest versions of pagan effigies that go back at least a thousand years."

Tell me if you see what I see in that statement--two interesting things, actually.

Does part of it have to do with the 1000 years?  I know Revelation 20 speaks of Satan being released at the end of Jesus' 1000-year reign and Gog and Magog gathering to attack the Lord's people.

One thing I find very interesting is that they are giants, which connects with the days of Noah and the account of Genesis 6:4.  "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown."  Legends of giants being born through the mating of fallen angels and human women seem to be as prevalent around the world as legends of a global flood and legends of dragons.  Might it be that Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshek and Tubal (Ezekiel 38:2) was a giant, and in the future fulfillment of the Ezekiel prophecy it is the demonic spirit of this giant or of a fallen angel of that name that is influencing whomever the human leader of the nation is?

To add to our discussion, here is a video I just finished watching that was quite interesting!

Source: Perry Stone, "The Alignment of the Gog of Magog Coalition: Episode 863," Manna-Fest with Perry Stone, 21 April 2017, Perry Stone Channel, YouTube.

Apr 29, 2017 6:33:13 GMT -6 watchmanjim said:

Good thoughts, Whatif. Your thoughts about the giants are worth looking into more-- the topic of Nephilim is another fascinating and controversial item, and deserves a dedicated thread of its own, no doubt. I have studied up on it in the past and there is a lot of information, misinformation, and speculation out there in the world about it. Giants clearly existed, both before the flood, and "after that" during the days of the conquest of Canaan up through King David's time at least.

One thing about the Gog and Magog passage-- there are two places in scripture where Gog and Magog are mentioned together--one is Ezekiel 38, and the other is Revelation 20. I have a whole thread on here about Gog. I think it's under General History, if I remember right. My tentative position on Gog and Magog is that the Ezekiel 38-39 passage is a MULTI_FULFILLMENT passage--that is, part of it pertains to an event to take place in or around the Tribulation, and the rest of it pertains to the Revelation 20 time, when Satan is loosed and rounds up as much support as he can to attack Jerusalem for a final time. Being multi-fulfilment, or telescoping prophecy, some of the details probably bounce back and forth between the two events, which have multiple similarities.

The two things that caught my eye in the quote I asked about are the terms (not special to the author who wrote them!) "(you will see) on the day of the Lord. . . ." and "a thousand years."

My reference to Balamic prophecy is when someone, usually an unbeliever, unwittingly, or accidentally, prophesies without intending to. The accidental showing up of conventional Bible phrases like "the day of the Lord" can be a clue, especially in tandem with a subject that is also distinctly dealt with in the Bible. The most obvious New Testament example of this happening was when Caiaphas the high priest accidentally prophesied that Jesus should die for all the people, when his intended meaning was far different from the spiritual meaning that God brought out through his words.

Hello watchmanjim , and others. 

I am so fascinated by this thread - definitely one of my favorites.  ;-)   Here is a fantastic video by End-Times/ prophecy teacher Amir Tsarfati.  He and J D Farag are so amazing.  Amir is Jewish and lives in Israel, and he also has contacts in the Israeli intelligence community.   This clears up SO SO Much, and it also affirms, supports the exact thing you said, watchmanjim   about the Gog of Magog being a dual fulfillment.    When you think about it, so often people mistakenly say Gog & Magog, but it's really OF,  like Prince of Egypt, Mayor of London.

     This about 30 minutes - so worth every minute.   :-0    Also, his teaching and that of pastor Steve Cioccolanti, and J D Farag all say the same thing - Gog is a Person/prince, Magog is Turkey.     whatif ,  @gary, watchmanjim , paulwatchmandawson , and MikeTaft , others, I thought you would really appreciate this clip.   

Steve does a really insightful talk on 9 reasons why Gog of Magog is NOT RUSSIA.  According to all these guys, [and they are in very very good company, J D Farag, Amir Tsarfati,  Steve Cioccolanti, and scores of Bible scholars - Gog is a person and Magog is the Place  - Turkey.   No connection to Russia at all.    They show very clearly that this notion came from the old teaching that kept getting recycled that Russia is North of Israel, and the absurd notion that Meshech sounds like Moscow.    [From a  linguistics perspective - this is wrong at so so many levels.]  

        - When you draw a straight line on a globe -***Not a flat map, true north from Israel goes precisely through Ankara, Turkey, and barely even touches the edge of Russia.   Plus, it's very interesting that they point out that all the seven churches in Revelation are in Turkey, and the "seat of Satan" is in Turkey, -Revelation chapter 2. 

According to Pastor J D opinion, [He clearly states it's just his opinion] he believes the destruction of Damascus will be the catalyst that starts the Ezekiel 38/39 War, and that the Harpazo happens first and the millions of Christians taken will incapacitate the US. No one can defend them - and they will see it is only the LORD, their God.  

 There are speculations and rumors,  that the weapons of mass destruction that were taken by Sadam Hussein, are stored under Damascus.  - this would make Damascus totally uninhabitable. 

Apr 29, 2017 20:35:58 GMT -6 whatif said:

To add to our discussion, here is a video I just finished watching that was quite interesting!

Source: Perry Stone, "The Alignment of the Gog of Magog Coalition: Episode 863," Manna-Fest with Perry Stone, 21 April 2017, Perry Stone Channel, YouTube.

Hello whatif,

Thanks for posting the link. I really like Perry Stone. He does an excellent job of laying out the differences between these Gog of Magog events -

1. First one in Ezekiel, and most likely at the beginning of the Tribulation,  and how they are in different places, different circumstances, and with Christ himself intervening in one, and how this one is totally different from

2. The second one - at the very end of the 1000 year millennial reign - Revelation 20, if I remember correctly.

Only down side is that he gets it wrong about Moscow being "north of Israel."      But it's OK,  - the cool thing about how we can glean pearls of wisdom from many different people, and in the process, we all can learn from each other.  

This is like totally opposite from all the stuff I heard growing up.  I always wondered why/ how people determined that Russia was Magog, and was always taught that these are two countries, two entities.  

Also,  watchmanjim - it's a very fascinating topic, - also the whole thing about nephilim, - and I also like the concept of Balamic prophecy - being made by an unbeliever, or unintentionally.  ;-) 

As @gary mentioned, I think we're seeing more of this, across multiple spheres of life, politics, media, etc -  world leaders are fulfilling prophecy, Ergodan and Kim Jong Un, and Assad, etc, but have no clue that their decision, or executive order was prophesied thousands of years ago.  

In my own opinion, however, I don't think we can just take a few words and cherry pick them out of larger context, or pull the words 'Second coming' out of a headline, or broader quote referring to something totally different.   That seems to be the case here.   The context is not the Day of the Lord, but rather  ". . . day of the Lord Mayor's Show/ Parade."