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Post by findtruth on May 14, 2017 6:23:49 GMT -6
It seems to me that if one breaks down this scripture , it has different parts that fit together. The verses seem to fall in order.
1) the picture of the women who is about to give birth. Rev:12:1-2
2)the great red dragon, ready to devour child when she gives birth. Rev 12: 3-4
3)the man child, verse 5- child caught up to God, possibly rapture
4) women fleeing to the wilderness-verse 6- remnant of Israel protected by God 1st Half of the tribulation
5) war in heaven- verse 7-8. Angel Michael wins fight and Satan cast to earth
This literal sign that happens in the heavens in Sept has all these parts. In my opinion, everything will not happen on this exact day at the same time. It is a picture of what will happen and soon take place. I know that the rapture could occur on this date, however according to this scripture puzzle, maybe it is just a part of an overall picture of this time line.
I am very interested in your opinions. Thanks, findtruth
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Post by watchmanjim on May 14, 2017 12:30:48 GMT -6
I think it's entirely possible you are right, findtruth. I do not think all these related events MUST take place at once, although there is a good case presented by some for MUCH of it all happening at once, or in very rapid succession.
One thing I do question is whether Israel is hidden for the first half, or the second half of the Trib. I tend to think they are hidden for the last half, but it isn't real clear.
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Post by findtruth on May 15, 2017 5:44:21 GMT -6
When the 144,000 jews are sealed by God at the beginning of the beginning of the tribulation, rev, chapter 7, those are protected.
Yes, the remenant of jews are protected at mid point when they are told to flee to the mountains at the abomination of desolation in the temple by the antichrist. Matthew 24:15 this passage indeed can be tied to rev 12: 6 at the mid point.
I do think the peace and safety then sudden destruction passage in 1 Thes 5:3 happens at the beginning of the tribulation and it's for the unbelievers.
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Post by watchmanjim on May 15, 2017 6:03:13 GMT -6
OK, yes, that's all what I generally believe too.
The 144,000 are Israelites, though--only 12,000 of them are technically Jews (descendants of Judah). In the broader meaning of the word Jew, some of the others could be from the group of people we normally call Jews today, as Levites and people from a few other tribes may be also found among the current Jews, but the vast majority of the non-Judah tribes are non-positively identified today.
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Post by Gary on May 15, 2017 7:54:54 GMT -6
It's interesting to see how different watchmen are coming down on the rapture timing with this. Some like Scottie Clarke and Jaco Prinsloo make a strong case that the FOT will actually fall on 9/23 and the rapture could possibly happen on that day.
Others like Daniel Matson, Jeff, Steven Sewell, and myself make a case the rapture could actually happen a day or two before on the traditional date for FOT based on Isaiah 66 ("before she goes into labor she gives birth").
I'm just speculating of course.
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Post by whatif on May 21, 2017 11:16:31 GMT -6
Here's a short video that helps visualize what the Christ angle is and how it ties into our Revelation 12 sign. I'm thinking this may be another piece to the puzzle...
Source: Daniel W. Matson, "The Great Pyramid--The Oracle in Stone," YouTube, Danielsweek's Channel, 09 December 2016.
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Post by watchmanjim on May 21, 2017 12:51:11 GMT -6
Some people, I think including Josephus, claim(ed) that the Great Pyramid as built before Noah's flood. For years after hearing this, I didn't believe it, or at least severely doubted. The biggest doubt I had was, if so, how could it stay true to geographic north, east, south, west as precisely as it has, in spite of all the continental drift there has been in all the time both during and after the flood? Some continents have clearly twisted on their moorings. The GP, however, perfectly lines up with the points of the compass.
Now, I speculate, it may have been possible, but only if God providentially kept it from drifting off-compass all that time.
This fact also keeps my speculation about "pole-shift" in check.
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Post by whatif on May 21, 2017 14:38:46 GMT -6
Some people, I think including Josephus, claim(ed) that the Great Pyramid as built before Noah's flood. For years after hearing this, I didn't believe it, or at least severely doubted. The biggest doubt I had was, if so, how could it stay true to geographic north, east, south, west as precisely as it has, in spite of all the continental drift there has been in all the time both during and after the flood? Some continents have clearly twisted on their moorings. The GP, however, perfectly lines up with the points of the compass. Yes, I would question whether it is pre-Flood--not saying it couldn't be, but that I too believe it would need God's protective hand to secure it from all the upheaval of the Deluge.
It is interesting, too, that we can see similar Orion's Belt formations in the Teotihuacan pyramids of Mexico and the Xi'an pyramids of China. It makes me wonder why... Were these others copied from the design of the Great Pyramid of Giza as mankind spread out over the earth at the dispersion during the Tower of Babel event? I have no idea if the others contain the same types of passageways inside or if they exhibit the Christ angle in their construction, but it makes me wonder if the builders (or the powers influencing the builders) were using them to keep an eye out for the signs of the last days. That is purely speculation. It's just so curious... Maybe the powers influencing the builders knew there would be a time when their time would be running out. It does appear from Scripture that the demons understand there will be a time when they will be judged. Matthew 8:28-29 tells us of Jesus that When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. “What do you want with us, Son of God?” they shouted. “Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?”
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Post by watchmanjim on May 21, 2017 15:38:32 GMT -6
Yes, good points and questions.
It may also have been godly people who built the Great Pyramid.
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Post by whatif on May 21, 2017 17:57:12 GMT -6
It may also have been godly people who built the Great Pyramid. How I would love that! Wouldn't it be awesome if Noah himself or someone in his family that survived the Flood had the pyramid built? I don't know how much the Lord revealed to Noah about the future, but it would certainly be interesting if the pyramid with its "Christ angle" was indeed built as a sign for the generations who would be living in the future "days of Noah." |
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Post by whatif on May 21, 2017 21:45:15 GMT -6
I found this in my old study notes, and want to pass it by you to see if anyone might be able to measure the positions of the three largest circles to determine if they are the same positions as the Orion's Belt stars and Giza pyramids, Teotihuacan pyramids, and Xi'an pyramids. The link is to a webpage showing a diagram of CERN. There are 3 main circles labeled "LEP," "SPS," and "PS." Can anyone verify whether these are in the positions of the stars of Orion's Belt? Just curious...
Source: Jonathan Couchman, "The LEP Accelerator," 04 November 2002.
www.hep.ucl.ac.uk/~jpc/all/ulthesis/node15.html
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Post by findtruth on May 21, 2017 22:21:27 GMT -6
Very interesting about the pyramids and how they compare to the signs in the heavens. Also, it is so amazing how it all points to our Lord Jesus Christ. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by whatif on May 21, 2017 22:59:40 GMT -6
My pleasure, findtruth!
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Post by brad on May 22, 2017 1:40:54 GMT -6
Going to have to research more about the Christ angle and the connection with the September 20 sign... I've never read much about it, but the fact that it book ends the Feast of trumpets has my attention... The video Whatif suggested was good.. anyone here up on this? Start a thread?
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Post by watchmanjim on May 22, 2017 14:39:01 GMT -6
I did watch a video about it, but I can't remember who put it out.
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