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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Jul 18, 2017 14:20:59 GMT -6
I find it interesting that 1) the failure of the senate to garner enough votes for their Obamacare-lite bill climaxed on 7/17/17... 2) and, that the goats are separating from the sheep in regards to full repeal. Several "bold" republicans for repeal in 2015 are too chicken now to make that stance should a repeal only bill come about. I and my hubby are one of those few million that are uninsured even with the O-care out there. O-care exchanged one group for another in my opinion... We have a current 10 grand debt to our local hospital yet the feds took our tiny return as punishment for not being insured, where I could have used that to pay off our debt to the hospital...doesnt make sense. This is not the forum for debating this, just sharing our circumstance. I do not think it will matter in 2 months..
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 18, 2017 22:06:35 GMT -6
Sorry to hear about your circumstances, Barbio. One of the reasons God gave in Ezekiel for destroying Jerusalem was that the government and the rich people had failed to deal equitably with the poor, and we are seeing this over and over in America.
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Post by kjs on Jul 19, 2017 7:25:22 GMT -6
I too do not wish to debate the entire Issue.....
However, will say that the Affordable Health Care Act was a HUGE blessing to me -- when I came down with my leukemia.
It forced the Insurance companies to continue to pay for my coverage -- even though I was racking up significant charges.
I by no means say it was perfect, but it did have many good features.
My personal opinion is that insurance companies should be done away with completely. Why do they have to be there being the "MIDDLE MAN"?
I watched multiple times where the doctor or hospital charged say $1000 for the service and then the insurance company comes along as says will only pay $600.....
(however, Joe average still has to pay the entire amount)
That is why I fall in line with those that say Medicare For All -- they already have a plan in place -- that doctors and hospitals already follow .....
Granted - How to pay for it is an issue --- BUT IF CONGRESS would not have been stealing from SS all these years and leaving nothing but IOUs......
My one hope is that soon we will be out of here.........
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Post by yardstick on Jul 19, 2017 8:33:14 GMT -6
I too do not wish to debate the entire Issue..... However, will say that the Affordable Health Care Act was a HUGE blessing to me -- when I came down with my leukemia. It forced the Insurance companies to continue to pay for my coverage -- even though I was racking up significant charges. I by no means say it was perfect, but it did have many good features. My personal opinion is that insurance companies should be done away with completely. Why do they have to be there being the "MIDDLE MAN"? I watched multiple times where the doctor or hospital charged say $1000 for the service and then the insurance company comes along as says will only pay $600..... (however, Joe average still has to pay the entire amount) That is why I fall in line with those that say Medicare For All -- they already have a plan in place -- that doctors and hospitals already follow ..... Granted - How to pay for it is an issue --- BUT IF CONGRESS would not have been stealing from SS all these years and leaving nothing but IOUs...... My one hope is that soon we will be out of here......... I am glad you were able to get taken care of kjs. I too have a problem with insurance companies, but I believe they should be run as non-profits. Same for those who provide legal services. Insurance companies arent the middle man; they are the man you have been paying who is supposed to pay you back when you hit a rough spot in life. The problem arises from the profit motive. They are in business (as any business is) to make a profit. If they help you out in the process great, but you are not their first 'customer'. Their bottom line is. As it stands, putting the consumer first would largely turn them into ponzi schemes. One of the primary problems with insurance (in general, and automobile insurance in particular) that I have is that it is mandated. This is IMHO, the only problem with the 'obamacare' stuff. You get 'taxed' if you don't have insurance. Sadly, 'medicare for all' is socialism. So is 'obamacare', when it is mandated. Medicare should be what it was intended to be: a safety net for the poor only. However, due to the nature of the 'money' we use (that it is constantly losing its purchasing power), the end result must be that everyone will become too poor to afford 'free market' healthcare. Fix the money, and you fix the system; and yes, it will be exceptionally painful to do that; and no, there are not enough politicians with sufficient backbone to bite the bullet and fix the root cause of the problem: money that is borrowed into existence. Of course fiscal responsibility (aka a balanced budget) must also be used to ensure nothing like what has been going on with our money for the last 100 years can happen again. BTW, 'obamacare' was always intended to fail, so that a 'single-payer' system could be forced down our throats - pure socialism. All the activity from the parties on capitol hill is a pure dog-and-pony show. Sorry for the rant. |
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 19, 2017 20:53:09 GMT -6
There's a lot we could talk about regarding human government, insurance, health care, and many other topics of this nature. These areas--especially government and law from a Biblical perspective, are areas I have studied a great deal and learned some incredibly interesting truths about. I am part of an organization known as the Virtue Solution, which among other things, calls for repentance and reform of the people of America, recognizing that political and fiscal solutions will never succeed until the people of the nation themselves become virtuous citizens. America's founders stated here and there, that the form of government granted to the people would only succeed for a virtuous citizenry. The more virtuous the people are, the less baby-sitting and regulating they need from the government. Unfortunately, we live in a land of unclean, immoral, and non-virtuous people today, and because of the gradual moral decline, we have lost many of our liberties along the way.
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Post by whatif on Jul 19, 2017 23:15:39 GMT -6
That's awesome, watchmanjim! I would love to hear anything you can share with us about that, as my writing project will be heading in that direction of subject matter eventually, if the Lord tarries longer than we are suspecting.
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 20, 2017 8:24:38 GMT -6
I'll try to post more later, including the link to our website.
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Post by whatif on Jul 20, 2017 10:04:10 GMT -6
Thank you, watchmanjim! I'll look forward to it!
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Post by watchmanjim on Jul 20, 2017 11:56:23 GMT -6
Here's the website: thevirtuesolution.webs.com/Now I must mention that we began this project before any of us knew anything about the Revelaton 12 sign, so my thought processes have advanced and changed a bit ever since knowing about the sign. But all the stuff is still very true and generally useful. Some of my friends involved don't believe in a pre-trib rapture, and others are amillenialists, and so the concepts we talk about are really general principles rather than any kind of predictions. Two of our founders (not me!) are current SC state representatives, and are a lot like the 2 witnesses in the SC General Assembly-- often times they are the only two to vote against a bill. |
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Post by whatif on Jul 20, 2017 16:08:25 GMT -6
Thank you so much, watchmanjim! I'm heading toward your website now!
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Post by whatif on Jul 20, 2017 16:40:12 GMT -6
Awesome website, watchmanjim! Good stuff there!
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Post by nana on Nov 17, 2017 12:01:15 GMT -6
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