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Post by socalexile on Aug 8, 2017 11:35:23 GMT -6
Watching it now:
EDIT:
Disappointed, although I don't expect a whole lot from him - he's a self-promoter.
He didn't address the specifics of either event, nor did he mention Revelation 12. Instead he brought up unrelated events and false prophecies based on a bad understanding of scripture, which says nothing of comets. He basically just tried to poison the well based on unrelated events. Yes, it is wrong to set rapture dates, but as we know, the great sign is an event unto itself, as it seems to fulfill Rev. 12:1-2, yet this seems to have flown over his head.
The irony is that he has strongly suggested the possibility of a rapture on other feast days, such as Pentecost. It's borderline hypocritical IMO.
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Post by Gary on Aug 8, 2017 12:22:11 GMT -6
Ironically, proponents of imminency have suddenly stopped teaching imminency until 9/23 comes and goes. Quite strange if you ask me.
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Post by lookinguptoo on Aug 8, 2017 17:41:53 GMT -6
I just want to post a great big chicken here.
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Post by kjs on Aug 8, 2017 18:38:45 GMT -6
It is kind of funny if you look at it properly....
Everyone uses Jesus' words no one knows the day or hour .....
As if that is the Be all answer for everything.....
Two things to point out ....
1). Jesus was not talking about the rapture at that point (which had not even been disclosed yet)
2) Jesus did use an phrase that was in common use of that time to discribe the Feast Day (Trumpets) which is known as the Feast Day no one knows the day or hour.
Now Paul on the other hand (who was the one who revealed the rapture mystery) , points out that we in the light will NOT be taken unawares like a thief in the night.
So go ahead and yell and scream. ... No one knows the day or hour .....
But pause in your yelling and least ask yourself ummm what are we looking for that we cannot know the day or hour?
As far as I know - only a very few people have actually said this is the time of the rapture, Everyone else seems to be saying this is the possible season of the rapture......
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Post by whatif on Aug 8, 2017 20:24:37 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum, lookinguptoo! We're so glad you've joined us!
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 8, 2017 23:16:33 GMT -6
Welcome, lookinguptoo! Your comment of the chicken is a confirmation to me, strangely! Strong's word Greek 220 is alektor, or rooster, and today (ok, yesterday, when you said that) was the 220th day of the year.
I'm not sure if the Strong's numbers always mean something, but I also think it is interesting that D. Trump and K.J.Un seem to have been playing chicken this day.
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Post by kjs on Aug 9, 2017 7:28:40 GMT -6
Welcome, lookinguptoo! Your comment of the chicken is a confirmation to me, strangely! Strong's word Greek 220 is alektor, or rooster, and today (ok, yesterday, when you said that) was the 220th day of the year. I'm not sure if the Strong's numbers always mean something, but I also think it is interesting that D. Trump and K.J.Un seem to have been playing chicken this day. That has always been one my fears, when Trump became the President -- namely that he seems to have a "one upmanship personality". Whether it is twitting, speaking or whatever -- He apparently needs the "last word" and that "word" is generally a threat (sometimes veiled). Here is how Trump responded to NK -- saying that if threats from North Korea continue, they will be ‘met with fire and fury like the world has never seen’. Yes, Yes - I know many people say "it is just talk" -- but what IF one of these times -- it is not just talk? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 7:58:33 GMT -6
Welcome, lookinguptoo! Your comment of the chicken is a confirmation to me, strangely! Strong's word Greek 220 is alektor, or rooster, and today (ok, yesterday, when you said that) was the 220th day of the year. I'm not sure if the Strong's numbers always mean something, but I also think it is interesting that D. Trump and K.J.Un seem to have been playing chicken this day. That has always been one my fears, when Trump became the President -- namely that he seems to have a "one upmanship personality". Whether it is twitting, speaking or whatever -- He apparently needs the "last word" and that "word" is generally a threat (sometimes veiled). Here is how Trump responded to NK -- saying that if threats from North Korea continue, they will be ‘met with fire and fury like the world has never seen’. Yes, Yes - I know many people say "it is just talk" -- but what IF one of these times -- it is not just talk? It always starts with a thought, continues with spoken words and ends with the deed... This is why the bible warns of it. James 3:5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. |
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 9, 2017 8:10:29 GMT -6
A little horn with a mouth like a man, boasting great things. . . . .
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Post by whatif on Aug 9, 2017 15:07:13 GMT -6
Watchmanjim, you just made my hair stand on end! That's been happening a lot today!
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Post by BSG-Mom on Aug 9, 2017 15:39:21 GMT -6
I watched his program yesterday and he's more earthbound than stargazing. Guests talk about their books (early church fathers, aliens, hollow earth theory etc.)
There are other ministries once on the cutting edge but now choosing to disregard the lunar/solar signs for fear of losing followers (?). Fear of astrology rather than believing astronomy and, surely number patterns are of the occult! I wonder about David Regan or even Jack Hibbs on the Rev 12 sign. Haven't checked on them lately. Would love to ask Jan Markell about the astrology vs astronomy (the great stumbling block).
Indeed, the star of Bethlehem findings a few years ago were a great confirmation for us.
But there are a bunch of new kids on the block now, and in my opinion, the baton is passing to Barry, Gary, and the many members on this discussion board.
Maranatha!!
BSGM
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Post by Natalie on Aug 9, 2017 15:54:58 GMT -6
I listen to Jack Hibbs and have not heard him say anything about Rev 12, but he does talk about the rapture quite a bit -- expecting it any time now.
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Post by lookinguptoo on Aug 9, 2017 16:13:00 GMT -6
Thank you guys for the warm welcome! I've been lurking for a while and feel like you're family, even if you don't know me. 😉
Loved the chicken Strongs confirmation, watchmanjim!!! Made me laugh!
I used to follow Gary Stearman quite regularly. Really appreciated his interviews and most of his commentaries. However, recently I've felt they've lost vision and direction. This particular video was just plain pitiful. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, though, because as many have stated, these big prophecy ministries are just not willing to do their homework and have too much at stake to coming anywhere near an endorsement. It's sad.
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Post by lookinguptoo on Aug 9, 2017 16:19:07 GMT -6
I listen to Jack Hibbs and have not heard him say anything about Rev 12, but he does talk about the rapture quite a bit -- expecting it any time now. Natalie, I've been listening to Jack a lot lately, too! And no, I haven't heard him mention the sign either, and I agree, he talks about the rapture a lot. Seems he's very focused on saving souls right now, which is obviously the most important thing. My hope is he's at the very least in the same camp with Pastor JD -- that this sign looks VERY interesting! |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Aug 9, 2017 16:31:14 GMT -6
Natalie, I follow Jack hibbs' teachings a lot too! First time hearing him saw the dvd of him speaking at the End Times conference put on by Jan Merkel @ Olive Tree Ministries in Minneapolis a few years ago (blood moon times). Recently and I think it was some time in the spring he made a comment that was not so in support of the blood moon watching & the heavenlies et al..I can not remember the sermon or the context thereof, but still all in all he gives one of the better sermons on the Rapture and does a very good job combining life application with word by word Scripture study. Dont know if you knew but he has been battling a sleeping disorder and gave a rather compelling sermon when he returned from weeks off (I saw it livestream at the time, which he shared WAY more than what was on the recorded version). Anyways, I would find it hard to believe he would brush off the heavenly signs. Kinda like TW Tramm on his FB page..he is rather silent on the Rev 12, but did put a compelling essay out on the Eclipse. He had two books published called Days of Awe and Season of Return 2012-2015..I wonder if when someone narrows the scope and things don't quite stir up with in those date ranges, perhaps that makes one cautious..Tramm is all over referencing the data on Jubilees, ranges of dates from major Israel events...at least Hibbs and Tramm are not debunking Rev 12...it would make me sad if they did..
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