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Post by kjh on Aug 9, 2017 8:39:04 GMT -6
More evidence that the Great Sign is a designed event from God?
Using Stellarium software, calculated from Jerusalem: Jupiter is "born" of Virgo, about 9 a.m. on the 9th day of September, which is the 9th month of the year. (Jesus' crucifixion started about 9 a.m.)
When Jupiter exits the "womb" of Virgo, 14 days remain to the completion of the Great Sign. Why did this "birth" take place two weeks before? Consider: Eight days after Jupiter is "born", (as in circumcision of newborn males on the 8th day), the Sun moves from the constellation Leo, crossing the boundary, into the constellation Virgo. If the Sun represents God the Father, this may refer to implementation of Hebrew circumcision and the Abrahamic Covenant, which Jesus fulfilled for the Church.
Why is the Birth 14 DAYS before the Final Completion? Under Mosaic Law a birthing woman is Ceremonially Unclean up to 14 days after birth of a child. Fourteen days for a FEMALE child, which could represent the Bride of Christ. (More evidence the "Child" of Revelation 12, is a composite of Christ plus the Church)
Other interesting signs in the stars? The term "House" is often used interchangeably for the term "constellation" in ancient astronomy. Saturn is also the only visible "wandering star" not participating in the Great Sign, OR IS IT?
On September 23, 2017, at the time of the Great Sign, the planet Saturn is found in the "House" or constellation Ophiuchus. Ophiuchus is defined variously as a "Strong Man" or a handler or tamer of a Serpent, which brings to mind the following words of Jesus. "But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. How can anyone enter a strong man’s house and steal his possessions, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder (Harpazō) his house. He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.… --Matthew 12:28-30
This too may refer to the Rapture, for the Greek word Harpazō has several similar meanings, some of which are: "seize, snatch, carry off, obtain by robbery". The last: "obtain by robbery" matches nicely with Jesus coming "as a thief in the night".
The Great Sign and all these things together may indicate that God is retelling the whole story of Christ's salvation, through the stars, and the fulfillment for the Church is IMMINENT-- all is accomplished, waiting for the final Act of God for His Church-- the Rapture.
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Post by brad on Aug 9, 2017 9:55:34 GMT -6
Welcome to the Forum KJH! You bring up some fresh ideas here! The Mathew 12:28-30 connection is fascinating! Here is what you said: Saturn is also the only visible "wandering star" not participating in the Great Sign, OR IS IT?
On September 23, 2017, at the time of the Great Sign, the planet Saturn is found in the "House" or constellation Ophiuchus. Ophiuchus is defined variously as a "Strong Man" or a handler or tamer of a Serpent, which brings to mind the following words of Jesus. "But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. How can anyone enter a strong man’s house and steal his possessions, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder (Harpazō) his house. He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.… --Matthew 12:28-30I'm going to check my confirmation box on this one... Wow... great find!Secondly, the birth on the 9th of September idea along with the child being female, seems to go against the Male child concept as many of us are thinking, but you present good and strong arguments... Going to ponder this one today!
Nice Job KJH Welcome again to the "Think Tank"... |
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Post by katmak on Aug 9, 2017 9:59:45 GMT -6
Welcome, kjh! I am excited to have taken in your findings, but I'll let our more learned brothers and sisters here run with it. Thank you for posting and look forward to reading more from you as well as following this thread  |
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Post by brad on Aug 9, 2017 12:48:51 GMT -6
Just another quick thought...starting work in just a few minutes... Yes, Jupiter exits the womb area (rectangle in virgo) on the 9th...add one more 9 to the list.. North Korea has announced plans to attack Guam on....the 9th of September! More later....
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Post by Gary on Aug 9, 2017 12:55:29 GMT -6
Welcome kjh and great thoughts!
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Post by whatif on Aug 9, 2017 14:50:54 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum, kjh! You've brought up some awesome information here! Thank you for sharing it!
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Post by socalexile on Aug 10, 2017 0:20:31 GMT -6
I think you're onto something, though remember a MALE child is being born in Revelation 12. There are also other details such as the 33 days of uncleanliness. Look at the whole passage:
Remember the symbolism in Rev 12 in our theory: the male child Is the church, the woman is the Jews.
Circumcision, which symbolizes the cutting away of sin from the line of Adam, is to be done on the 8th day. A couple of things this can be looked at on this:
-At 8000 years, after the Millennial reign of Christ, all sin will be done away with in the new heavens and new earth, which this may or may not allude to).
-1 Cor 15:
This of course, feeds into the two natures of a believer, that Paul also teaches in Romans 7:14-8:1 and Galatians 5 :16-26, which many Christians do not understand.
These quick videos expound on this:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 6:47:45 GMT -6
I've been wondering lately if the 33 days of uncleanness comes before the birth(?). That is the time between the solar eclipse and the 9/23 sign.
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Post by socalexile on Aug 10, 2017 7:49:20 GMT -6
I've been wondering lately if the 33 days of uncleanness comes before the birth(?). That is the time between the solar eclipse and the 9/23 sign. Something a comment to this video said struck a chord with me, given the 7 days of uncleanliness in Lev. 12: So if we take the 33 days of purification (it does NOT say she is unclean in Hebrew), and it comes AFTER birth. She is unclean only 7 days; then her child is to be circumcised on the 8th day (symbolizing he cutting away of sin from the Adamic line) . THEN her purification shall be another 33 days after the 7 days of uncleanliness, for a total of 40 days. So what can we glean from this? Key points: - The sin of the child is cut away 8 days later.
- The woman is unclean 7 days; then undergoes 33 days of purification.
- Unless a female child is born, then it's 14 days of uncleanliness and 66 days of purification
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 9:09:13 GMT -6
Excuse me, thanks for the correction. I should have said "I've been wondering if the 33 days before the birth of the church(?) would beurification before arriving at the wedding feast, and/or then would be the schedule for a male child is 7 unclean followed by the 8th(circumcision) followed by 33 days of purification(where she is unable to come into the temple.
Maybe after the sign, the unbelieving Jew is ceremonially unclean for 7 days, on the eighth - the 'chosen/elect' receive circumcision of the heart(eyes are opened), but not allowed to come into the 'temple' of the body of Christ until purified for 33 days.
I know that I am not getting my thoughts out very well. It's hard to do this at work. Sorry.
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Post by socalexile on Aug 10, 2017 9:30:03 GMT -6
Excuse me, thanks for the correction. I should have said "I've been wondering if the 33 days before the birth of the church(?) would beurification before arriving at the wedding feast, and/or then would be the schedule for a male child is 7 unclean followed by the 8th(circumcision) followed by 33 days of purification(where she is unable to come into the temple. Maybe after the sign, the unbelieving Jew is ceremonially unclean for 7 days, on the eighth - the 'chosen/elect' receive circumcision of the heart(eyes are opened), but not allowed to come into the 'temple' of the body of Christ until purified for 33 days. I know that I am not getting my thoughts out very well. It's hard to do this at work. Sorry. Maybe Zechariah 13 has something to do with it?: And in Zechariah 14: Zech. 14 seems to parallel the Woman of Rev. 12 after the Child is snatched up. |
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 10, 2017 10:31:02 GMT -6
Yes, Socal, the big question I've had recently was whether Zech 14 is at the mid-trib point or the end of the trib. I had always been taught that this was at the end of the Trib, because it is when Jesus Himself appears and touches down on the Mount of Olives, and is said to go forth and fight in that day. But the escape of Israel from Jerusalem I was always taught was mid-trib at the time of the AOD. Or were there 2 different escapes? That doesn't seem to make sense, either, but might be possible. . . . would be weird.
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Post by socalexile on Aug 10, 2017 10:43:10 GMT -6
Yes, Socal, the big question I've had recently was whether Zech 14 is at the mid-trib point or the end of the trib. I had always been taught that this was at the end of the Trib, because it is when Jesus Himself appears and touches down on the Mount of Olives, and is said to go forth and fight in that day. But the escape of Israel from Jerusalem I was always taught was mid-trib at the time of the AOD. Or were there 2 different escapes? That doesn't seem to make sense, either, but might be possible. . . . would be weird. Seems to be a general overview. They escape twice per Revelation 12 - once into the wilderness, then on "the wings of eagles". The Chiastic Pattern of Revelation 12: A. The Ten Commandments in the Ark, in the Temple Rev. 11: 19 ...B. Wrath of God..........................................................vs. 19 .....C. Pregnant woman..................................................vs. 1, 2 ........D. Great red dragon..............................................vs. 3 ............E. Satan's warfare.............................................vs. 4 ................F. Woman in the wilderness 1260 days...........vs. 6 ....................G. War in heaven.......................................vs. 7 ........................H. No place for dragon..........................vs. 8 ...........................I. Deceiver cast out ............................vs. 9 ................................J. To earth......................................vs. 9 Center.....The accuser of the brethren cast out..........vs. 10 ............................... j. Devil come down.........................vs. 12 ............................i. Deceiver limited..............................vs. 12 ........................h. Earth only for dragon.........................vs. 13 ....................g. War against woman...............................vs. 13 .................f. Woman in wilderness................................vs. 14 .............e. Satan's warfare.............................................vs. 15 .........d. Dragon angry.....................................................vs. 17 ......c. With the woman....................................................vs. 17 ...b. Wrath of Satan........................................................vs. 17 a. The commandments of God......................................vs. 17 |
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 10, 2017 10:45:07 GMT -6
Interesting. Good points.
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Post by whatif on Aug 10, 2017 21:05:24 GMT -6
A fascinating thing was pointed out in the Paul Begley/Mark Biltz video I posted in the thread "The Eclipse Path," recently. There are 2 sets of 33 days bookending a 7-day period in this prophetic sequence we're looking at in August/September/October/November 2017.
From the eclipse of 21 August 2017 to the Revelation 12 sign on 23 September 2017 there are 33 days.
From the Revelation 12 sign to Yom Kippur on 30 September 2017 there are 7 days.
From Yom Kippur to the 100th Anniversary of the Balfour Declaration on 02/03 November 2017 there are another 33 days.
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