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Post by barb84 on Aug 31, 2017 20:41:54 GMT -6
This thought has occurred to me about when the church is ready to be birthed. If the church was conceived at Pentecost, which is around May/June timeframe, would the birth/rapture occur 9 months later, Feb./March, in the appropriate year? I hope I have worded this so it makes sense. Looking forward to others thoughts on this.
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 31, 2017 21:59:54 GMT -6
It's a good question. I understand what you are asking, and it's something to ponder.
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Post by Rick on Sept 1, 2017 14:23:32 GMT -6
Great question Barb84. Seems the church has been in gestation for almost 2000 yes eh. I'm not totally convinced the church was conceived at Pentecost. Saul was not there nor had he been approached by Yeshua yet on the road to Damascus. Paul is the disciple that was sent to the Gentiles. Saul didn't become Paul until Acts 9:18 when he received his sight and was baptized with the Holy Spirit. Hope that makes sense.
God Bless~
2Ti 2:15
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Post by gkp on Sept 1, 2017 16:07:38 GMT -6
I am a new member and have a couple of questions. Hopefully this is the correct place to pose them. They are related to the topic. I have read some interesting ideas regarding the birth of the male son. The connection to the prophecy in Isaiah 66 regarding birth before labor is wonderful. I read about the tribulation being seen as a seven year labor. But when I look at the verses in Rev. 12 I see a different picture. In verse 2 the woman is in labor and pain. And in verse 5 she bears a male son who is snatched up. What am I missing here? My second question is in regards to the time of birth. I have read that the child is born on Sept. 9th. If so does this become a likely time to snatch up the child from the jaws of the dragon? And I have read that perhaps the 9th is the day the child enters the birth canal. This would indicate a two week labor. A thought came to me this morning that I have not heard mentioned in the discussion groups. It has been many years since our children were born but I remember there occured a point in each instance when the baby dropped. A quick search on the net confirmed that this can happen about two weeks before birth. When I looked at stellarium and checked the position of Jupiter on the 9th of Sept. I think I remember it being right on the line drawn connecting two stars. How accurate a boundary is this line? Thanks so much for considering these questions. The time is short and it would be great to have a better understanding of these issues.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2017 16:11:58 GMT -6
Just thought I'd add this tidbit. Hopefully someone didn't already mention it and I missed it:
If the church was conceived at Pentecost. Which I tend to lean toward, it has been 40 jubilees since then. In weeks, that is the human gestational period.
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Post by whatif on Sept 1, 2017 18:43:27 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum, gkp! It's a pleasure to meet you! You've given us some great questions to consider here!
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Post by whatif on Sept 1, 2017 18:44:23 GMT -6
Just thought I'd add this tidbit. Hopefully someone didn't already mention it and I missed it: If the church was conceived at Pentecost. Which I tend to lean toward, it has been 40 jubilees since then. In weeks, that is the human gestational period. That is too awesome for words, silentknight! Wowww!!! |
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 1, 2017 23:14:51 GMT -6
I do believe the church began officially at Pentecost. It began with the Jews, and the Jews were supposed to be reached as the first priority. Paul going to the gentiles turned out to be where the numerical multiplication of the church really began to happen, but thousands were part of the church in the earlier chapters of Acts, as you can see by reading through it.
Welcome, gkp! I do believe you are onto something, regarding the baby dropping. You are right about this, as far as, this is a significant part of the birth process in human beings. (I wish my wife would come on here and comment). The question then becomes, does this 2 week time between it crossing the line between two stars, and the sign completing itself, represent the remaining time it takes the baby to be born? Quite possibly!
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Post by gkp on Sept 2, 2017 7:53:52 GMT -6
Thanks, watchmanjim! I wonder if on Sept. 9 something might happen to increase our sense of our very near depature. After 8 plus months of pregnancy, that seemed like would go on forever, that drop of the baby is a big deal as the end suddenly seems near. My wife is helping me remember what she felt. She remembers when our last child was on the way and dropped, how heavy this baby seemed. And she knew for certain it was just a matter of a short time. On another note....I was thinking last night about the other issue I mentioned. The apparent opposite descriptions of the time before the birth of the male son - no labor versus painful labor. Then I remembered something that just might turn this into a both/and rather than an either/or situation. The rapture is more complex than the body joining the head. It is a two part body. The dead in Christ rise first and then the living are transformed and meet their brethren in the air. The dead in Christ might be those whom the earth delivers. There is no labor needed as they are not doing much right now (keeping it simple). We, however, as we wrestle with how to honor God as the day approaches, are involved in something painful like labor. Our concerns for our family, friends, co-workers, and even pets become a major consideration every day. I know this needs more thought but at least it is an effort to harmonize two different pictures. My wife just mentioned another idea to consider. In 1 Cor. 15 when Paul is talking about the dead, he says they are raised but he does not use the harpozo word. Just thinking.....
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Post by evenso on Sept 2, 2017 11:16:09 GMT -6
Hurricane Irma is due to strike (somewhere) September 10th. There are also many who feel strongly that 9/11 this year will be pivotal.
It seems that everything is funneling down to specific dates, doesn't it?
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 3, 2017 21:31:22 GMT -6
Even so, Evenso.  |
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Post by surfit on Sept 4, 2017 8:15:41 GMT -6
In the parable of the Good Samaritan, Jesus is the good Samaritan. He saves those dying where religion and the law cannot and will not. They both pass by. He is the neighbor we are to love as ourselves.
Jesus (the Samaritan) leaves the innkeeper 2 denarii and promises to come back. 1 denarius = 1 day's wage for the common laborer. In 2 Peter 3:8 we learn that "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day."
Hmmm...
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Post by katmak on Sept 4, 2017 8:37:15 GMT -6
Do any of you moms recall what it was like once your babies dropped in the 'final approach' as my midwife called it? Not that I am trying to equate this sign lockstep with human birth, but there seem to be parallels which might be observed. Some of mine:
-feeling of relief that I could breathe easier. I used to sing and boy, could I belt out tunes once the littles got out of my diaphragm- I could really blow!
-pressure almost unceasing as the babies tap-danced on my bladder-an almost constant need to 'go'
-almost everyone about me commented about 'wow! You look READY!"
-that last few weeks, the baby supposedly gains 1/2 to1lb per week, adding fat, girth and more pressure
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Post by gkp on Sept 4, 2017 9:28:41 GMT -6
A few days ago I added a post or two to this discussion. What a blessing to share thoughts and ideas with other people who, in this age, I might never meet! I really appreciate the last few comments from other new members. Today as I begin work, I will have some wonderful things to think about!
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