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Post by cwood85 on Sept 19, 2017 17:30:19 GMT -6
FYI: This is just an idea of mine and is not new. I am not making a prediction or anything like that.
A lot of scripture talks about there being earthquakes at resurrections. Jesus death caused one as did his resurrection and others from the Bible.
So if the dead rise first then the power that is behind this is going to very likely shake the whole world imo. The shroud of Turin image is burned into the material with so much electrical magnetism. We cannot replicate the power of the energy that created the shadow on the cloth and it is compared to lightning. That power is going to being through the whole earth!
Another reason I think this is because (especially lately) many people who have rapture dreams, speak of a huge earthquake happening right before they are taken. I would say 90% of the ones I have read about or watched videos of state this to some degree.
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Post by mike on Sept 19, 2017 18:24:57 GMT -6
cwood85 - something has to serve as a distraction for the rapture. There are about 20 articles on Google today (or written since the 16th) debunking the 23rd. A "global" earthquake with a news cover up (delusion) explains away missing people as many have been burried in debris. I believe there are two great earthquakes as the one Rev 16:18 says it was the greatest ever. I know people will disagree, but they are not the same event. This one is the 7th angel/vial, in ch. 6 it is the sixth seal. Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great
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Post by mike on Sept 20, 2017 16:22:44 GMT -6
MissusMack08 did we discuss this^^^^? This was Jaco's issue as far as I was concerned. He considers this in event when it is pretty clear they are two
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Post by linda on Sept 20, 2017 17:09:06 GMT -6
cwood85, David Lowe wrote a whole book about this called Earthquake Resurrection, which makes a lot of sense to me. He believes that the rapture will take place at the 6th Seal. He also believes that the seals aren't opened during the tribulation, that they all have to be opened before it starts. The first 5 seals cause events that have been happening the past 2,000 years - wars, famines, diseases, financial oppression, and martyrdom for Christians. It's a fascinating read and makes a lot of sense. It's on Amazon and can be bought for Kindle.
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 20, 2017 17:24:47 GMT -6
mike , I don't know how much we really discussed it, though I know I brought up some of these things before. It sounds to me like it's the same event. How can every mountain and island be moved out of its place in the 6th seal (and presumably early in the Trib) and yet there still be an even worse earthquake when Jesus lands on Mt of Olives? Sounds to me like terraforming. With the 6th seal, the men are hiding "from the wrath of the lamb" and "from Him who sits on the throne." They know exactly who is causing the earthquake and are wanting to die instead of face Him. This doesn't sound like they are deluded as we would expect from the beginning of the Trib. I also see this earthquake occurring here: Ezekiel 38 18 “And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” says the Lord God, “that My fury will show in My face. 19 For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: ‘Surely in that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel, 20 so that the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all men who are on the face of the earth shall shake at My presence. The mountains shall be thrown down, the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.’ 21 I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains,” says the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22 And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.”’ Notice that "all men" and seemingly all creatures will shake at His presence, and the mountains, steep places, and every wall will fall. And and obviously here, which gives further reference to the Gog/Magog war (which will be successful from Gog's point of view for a little while, perhaps the whole 7 years) Zech 14:1-5 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, And your spoil will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; The city shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley; Half of the mountain shall move toward the north And half of it toward the south. Then you shall flee through My mountain valley, For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal. Yes, you shall flee As you fled from the earthquake In the days of Uzziah king of Judah. It can't be the same earthquake that occurs when the two witnesses are raptured because the text says only a 10th of the city falls. I'm not going to say that at the rapture there won't be an earthquake associated with the graves opening. But it would have to be worldwide and yet not destructive like the one when Jesus returns. I just don't know. I don't think it's identified in scripture however. All of these earthquakes above seem quite destructive, and I think they all go together.
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Post by mike on Sept 20, 2017 17:35:21 GMT -6
I just see them different. Zech 14 splits in two, Rev 16 in three.
The first quake could be the rapture where the atomic/molecular structure of every saint is removed from where it currently is (scattered all over the globe) throwing down mountains etc.
I dunno...my brain needs a break. The reality of leaving earth is setting in and since we're all still eating and drinking going about normal lives, kinda 'bugs' me out a little. What's coming is basically unknown to most
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 20, 2017 18:17:46 GMT -6
I just see them different. Zech 14 splits in two, Rev 16 in three. The first quake could be the rapture where the atomic/molecular structure of every saint is removed from where it currently is (scattered all over the globe) throwing down mountains etc. I dunno...my brain needs a break. The reality of leaving earth is setting in and since we're all still eating and drinking going about normal lives, kinda 'bugs' me out a little. What's coming is basically unknown to most I think the cities are different. Zech 14 is about Jerusalem. Rev 16, it's Mystery Babylon: "Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath." I'm with you, man! I'm tired. I'm mostly lurking in the threads now and not responding as much. Pooped. |
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Post by cwood85 on Sept 21, 2017 18:49:15 GMT -6
I just see them different. Zech 14 splits in two, Rev 16 in three. The first quake could be the rapture where the atomic/molecular structure of every saint is removed from where it currently is (scattered all over the globe) throwing down mountains etc. I dunno...my brain needs a break. The reality of leaving earth is setting in and since we're all still eating and drinking going about normal lives, kinda 'bugs' me out a little. What's coming is basically unknown to most Yup definitely bugged out here as well. Anyone sleeping, at all or well? I have been just totally drained this last week. Do not see myself sleeping at all tonight or tomorrow night if things are still the same. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Sept 21, 2017 19:03:35 GMT -6
I just see them different. Zech 14 splits in two, Rev 16 in three. The first quake could be the rapture where the atomic/molecular structure of every saint is removed from where it currently is (scattered all over the globe) throwing down mountains etc. I dunno...my brain needs a break. The reality of leaving earth is setting in and since we're all still eating and drinking going about normal lives, kinda 'bugs' me out a little. What's coming is basically unknown to most Yup definitely bugged out here as well. Anyone sleeping, at all or well? I have been just totally drained this last week. Do not see myself sleeping at all tonight or tomorrow night if things are still the same. I'm sleeping but it doesn't seem to make any difference! Just flat out pooped. |
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Post by cwood85 on Sept 21, 2017 20:00:50 GMT -6
Yup definitely bugged out here as well. Anyone sleeping, at all or well? I have been just totally drained this last week. Do not see myself sleeping at all tonight or tomorrow night if things are still the same. I'm sleeping but it doesn't seem to make any difference! Just flat out pooped. Same here. Either feel like I am on the edge of my seat or just wiped out. Even if I get pretty good sleep. Just pooped... |
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Post by tom67x on Sept 21, 2017 21:41:54 GMT -6
cwood85, David Lowe wrote a whole book about this called Earthquake Resurrection, which makes a lot of sense to me. He believes that the rapture will take place at the 6th Seal. He also believes that the seals aren't opened during the tribulation, that they all have to be opened before it starts. The first 5 seals cause events that have been happening the past 2,000 years - wars, famines, diseases, financial oppression, and martyrdom for Christians. It's a fascinating read and makes a lot of sense. It's on Amazon and can be bought for Kindle. Outstanding and exhaustive study. Now I want to read it again! |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 21, 2017 22:08:01 GMT -6
I just see them different. Zech 14 splits in two, Rev 16 in three. The first quake could be the rapture where the atomic/molecular structure of every saint is removed from where it currently is (scattered all over the globe) throwing down mountains etc. I dunno...my brain needs a break. The reality of leaving earth is setting in and since we're all still eating and drinking going about normal lives, kinda 'bugs' me out a little. What's coming is basically unknown to most They just dont 'see' it... Or they just don't care... It's really quite discouraging. |
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Post by cwood85 on Sept 21, 2017 22:41:13 GMT -6
Well Dutchsince just posted new video "major Worldwide unrest, HAVE A PLAN"
Dutchsince, I have a plan and his name is JESUS!!
To quote from Jurassic Park:
"Hold on to your butts!"
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Post by venge on Apr 23, 2019 10:06:50 GMT -6
cwood85 - something has to serve as a distraction for the rapture. There are about 20 articles on Google today (or written since the 16th) debunking the 23rd. A "global" earthquake with a news cover up (delusion) explains away missing people as many have been burried in debris. I believe there are two great earthquakes as the one Rev 16:18 says it was the greatest ever. I know people will disagree, but they are not the same event. This one is the 7th angel/vial, in ch. 6 it is the sixth seal. Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. 18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great I know this was written long ago lol but I just saw it so figured I comment. You stated: I don't know if something has to. If you place the rapture in the Pre Trib sense happening before a literal 7 years, then you imagine it as hundreds of thousands vanishing and if not vanishing then their bodies remain but they appear dead and their souls go to heaven. But, on a non Pre Trib case, the people are here. Christians die and are killed. Nothing appears out of the ordinary. All the way through to the 7th Trumpet. By this time there has been so much blood shed and death from war, famine, pestilence...Will there be many left that believe at this time? I don't think there will be many. Not in the hundreds of thousands as we'd envision it for a Pre Trib one. I think those that are removed then are not missed. Because of the things happening on the earth. People will be more about self preservation then others. As a matter of fact we read this: I think with all the things around them happening life still goes on. Did not life still go on during WW2? In some countries it was rough, in others life went on and people went to war. Some it effects, others differently. |
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Post by cwood85 on Apr 23, 2019 13:27:57 GMT -6
The things that follow you on the internet....
.....Post from almost 2 years ago. Wait, 2 years!!!!??!!!!
Just to clarify, I do not hold traditional views of the rapture in the sense of a pre, post, mid or whatever time period of "trib" ideology. What I do believe is God is capable of anything and in control of everything. I do not believe there will be a "trigger" or particular event that makes anything happen. God does what he does and directs us to glorify Him. It is always for his glory, not ours. At the time I started this thread I was very new in my walk with the Lord and Him getting my attention and was seeking and researching many avenues of theology and similar. It has done me much good and given me so much peace to simply seek His face rather than trying to figure out His next move or when there is a time to "escape" by a rapture while the rest of the world boils and burns. I just simply do not see things that way and try to steer clear of popular end times teachings and the like and instead research the original languages and style.
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