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Post by whatif on Aug 19, 2017 0:45:13 GMT -6
With all the news about North Korea lately, I've been wondering if the Dragon is 10 missiles (10 horns), 7 of them bearing warheads (7 heads), and producing 7 clouds (7 crowns).
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Post by socalexile on Aug 19, 2017 1:34:04 GMT -6
Good point! You may or may not have an interest in this video: One thing about his video, is that he places the rapture at the 6th year of the Tribulation (2023), which runs smack dab into Revelation 12, where the child is taken away before the Woman flees for 1260 days and 3.5 years. With Saturn you almost see the rings as diadems and the moons as heads? There's 7 main ring groups, but could be said to be fire colored? Also, there are 63 total moons, 5 of which orbit inside the rings. What's interesting though is that this year, Jupiter and Saturn are in opposition; i.e. earth passes between them. (That was truly 40 minutes of trial with lip-smacking over headphones, lol) Pics:  |
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Post by socalexile on Aug 19, 2017 1:42:07 GMT -6
With all the news about North Korea lately, I've been wondering if the Dragon is 10 missiles (10 horns), 7 of them bearing warheads (7 heads), and producing 7 clouds (7 crowns). Most modern ICBMs have multiple warheads - some of which are always decoys. Coincidentally (?) the Russian R-36 ICBM can carry 10 warheads. This is the one code named "Satan" by US intelligence. It's set to replaced by the RS-28 Sarmat which can also carry 10 heavy (or 15 lighter) warheads, and is dubbed "Satan II" by the US. The Satan II is not fully operational; as of earlier this year, they only have two prototypes that haven't been tested yet. Before anyone freaks out, please read this very good article about the myths and reality of this weapon. Edit: the Chinese also have a ICBM that can carry 10 warheads: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-41 |
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Post by socalexile on Aug 19, 2017 5:20:05 GMT -6
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Post by brad on Aug 19, 2017 8:07:26 GMT -6
Just have to wonder after looking at pictures of CME's (Coronal Mass Ejections) and solar flares... It might be possible to imagine visually a 7 headed with 10 horn object. Sorry, I'm not a great artist... try to visualize here!   |
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Post by brad on Aug 19, 2017 8:44:01 GMT -6
Good point! You may or may not have an interest in this video: SAM! it's so great to hear from you! Just finished watching your video! ( 5 thumbs up! click the above link to watch) What struck me the most was your statement that you felt as time advances, all the "thoughts, positions and theories" will be merging. I thought I had it pretty well figured out 6 months ago, and now find myself not wanting to rely on my own understandings... You certainly have the best put together theories on how this whole thing works.... It's going to be awesome to some day soon get the full story about all this... Whether it's pre-trib, pre wrath, who's theory about the Dragon is correct.... All will be revealed... Thanks for the diligent work on the subject... No matter what happens this fall, as brothers, we will share the same destiny! Keep up the great work! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2017 8:56:59 GMT -6
Thank Brad, I really appreciate you stimulating interest in this very important topic....your efforts will result, and are resulting in much fruit! I plan to post a new video sometime this weekend based on an observation that gary777 brought to my attention.....it has the do with "the angel standing in the sun" of Rev 19.
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Post by brad on Aug 19, 2017 9:01:04 GMT -6
Thank Brad, I really appreciate you stimulating interest in this very important topic....your efforts will result, and are resulting in much fruit! I plan to post a new video sometime this weekend based on an observation that gary777 brought to my attention.....it has the do with "the angel standing in the sun" of Rev 19. Awesome Sam... This will be a new one for me! Can't wait to hear what you find! |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Aug 19, 2017 11:30:26 GMT -6
Other times they don't ponder the logical implications of their own beliefs; i.e., a partial rapture, where one must be faithful to warrant rescue from the Tribulation. Well how? They must accomplish a faithful life (the details of which vary greatly) or God won't save them. That's not what the Bible actually says. It generally comes from a bad understanding of the context of Matthew 25 and the book in general. Yes, the Nazarenes are very works-centered, and that's crept into the charismatic churches also. The Greek definition of "works": Yes. It's unfortunate that there are so many false doctrines and people get caught up in or trampled by them. But, everyone who has believed in Jesus has His Spirit who leads in truth if the person is faithful to diligently study His Word for themselves. So it is on every person's head if they allow their hope to be stolen or trampled on or if they are led astray, even new christians. It's a sign of maturity, moving from milk to meat, when your faith becomes your own, when you stop depending on other teachers to tell you what to believe and you come into your own faith and understanding, accepting or rejecting what has been taught through your own study and the Spirit's guidance. In that sense it's also a natural progression because we were all once baby christians. I bet everyone who considers themself as having progressed past baby Christian can point to a time where they became very disillusioned with what they believed or with a particular teacher or church doctrine. The important thing is that the Spirit brings you to that point, even if it's quite painful and sets you back for awhile, but then carries you to a new level of understanding of His Word. All things work together for the good of those who love God. He has it all in His hands. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Aug 19, 2017 11:57:13 GMT -6
My friend Daniel Matson has the same view, re Draco. The issue with Draco is how does it threaten the birth of the man-child? It is nowhere near the woman in labor.....in the north sky, and is always there, not unique in the normal sense...so, I am stumped as to how to connect Draco fall 2017 to the Woman in Labor and Birth fall 2017. I believe in one of the videos I posted earlier, maybe the second one, Daniel Valles addresses the nearness issue: that if you look at the whole picture of constellations and scale them down to human size, Draco appears to be only 8 feet away from the woman, proportionally. If the Dragon needs to appear to be threatening the woman, how does Serpens do that? If you address this in the video, I apologize. I intend to watch your video again after posting this reply. One issue I have with your dragon interpretation is that it doesn't occur until October, which implies the birth doesn't occur until Jupiter leaves Virgo, not just the womb area of Virgo. This would make the pregnancy last way beyond a normal pregnancy (44 weeks from menstrual period is the max and not considered safe beyond 42). If we hold to the pregnancy symbolism consistently: the conception occurred around November 18th (conception comet leaves Virgo womb and Jupiter enters); 38 weeks FROM CONCEPTION was last week—week of August 6-12 (note** normal pregnancy is 40 weeks from last menstrual period, 38 weeks from conception); 40 weeks from conception (42 weeks from period) is next week of Aug 20-26; and 42 weeks from conception (44 weeks from period) is week of Sept 3-9, when it appears Jupiter leaves Virgo's womb. September 23 is beyond safe human gestation. Keeping with the pregnancy symbolism, I cannot see anything occurring in regards to either these signs occurring after Sept 23. If it does, then we need to scrap the whole pregnancy concept because it's not consistent. Or the comet doesn't mean anything and a different date is needed for conception. But it you are correct in the time will tell us. Either God will give us further revelation, the signs will come and go, or something will happen. |
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Post by whatif on Aug 19, 2017 12:58:43 GMT -6
With all the news about North Korea lately, I've been wondering if the Dragon is 10 missiles (10 horns), 7 of them bearing warheads (7 heads), and producing 7 clouds (7 crowns). Most modern ICBMs have multiple warheads - some of which are always decoys. Coincidentally (?) the Russian R-36 ICBM can carry 10 warheads. This is the one code named "Satan" by US intelligence. It's set to replaced by the RS-28 Sarmat which can also carry 10 heavy (or 15 lighter) warheads, and is dubbed "Satan II" by the US. The Satan II is not fully operational; as of earlier this year, they only have two prototypes that haven't been tested yet. Before anyone freaks out, please read this very good article about the myths and reality of this weapon. Edit: the Chinese also have a ICBM that can carry 10 warheads: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-41Fascinating information, socalexile! Thank you for posting the links! |
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Post by brad on Aug 19, 2017 13:03:06 GMT -6
One issue I have with your dragon interpretation is that it doesn't occur until October, which implies the birth doesn't occur until Jupiter leaves Virgo, not just the womb area of Virgo. This would make the pregnancy last way beyond a normal pregnancy (44 weeks from menstrual period is the max and not considered safe beyond 42). If we hold to the pregnancy symbolism consistently: the conception occurred around November 18th (conception comet leaves Virgo womb and Jupiter enters); 38 weeks FROM CONCEPTION is next week—week of August 20-26 (note** normal pregnancy is 40 weeks from last menstrual period, 38 weeks from conception); 40 weeks from conception (42 weeks from period) is week of Sept 3-9 when it appears Jupiter exits womb area; and 42 weeks from conception (44 weeks from period) is week of Sept 17-23. Keeping with the pregnancy symbolism, I cannot see it anything occurring in regards to either these signs occurring after Sept 23. If it does, then we need to scrap the whole pregnancy concept because it's not consistent. But it you are correct in the time will tell us. Either God will give us further revelation, the signs will come and go, or something will happen. Excellent point MissusMack08! The long pregnancy problem... On this particular issue, one possible explanation is this... Perhaps the conception does not start until jupiter is low in the womb... as it starts retrograde. This would be February 5, 2016. Exactly 280 days later (normal gestation period) is November 12, 2017 . I know this throws a wrench in everybody's timeline, but on that day (november 22) there is a Jupiter/Venus conjunction... Gary's thoughts about a "Celestial C-Section" fit well here... we would still be able to have a birth before labor... I wouldn't worry too much, or get too locked into any one Idea here... When the sign gets here.... it will be standing at us ready to devour! We'll know it... and be protected! |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Aug 19, 2017 13:15:16 GMT -6
One issue I have with your dragon interpretation is that it doesn't occur until October, which implies the birth doesn't occur until Jupiter leaves Virgo, not just the womb area of Virgo. This would make the pregnancy last way beyond a normal pregnancy (44 weeks from menstrual period is the max and not considered safe beyond 42). If we hold to the pregnancy symbolism consistently: the conception occurred around November 18th (conception comet leaves Virgo womb and Jupiter enters); 38 weeks FROM CONCEPTION is next week—week of August 20-26 (note** normal pregnancy is 40 weeks from last menstrual period, 38 weeks from conception); 40 weeks from conception (42 weeks from period) is week of Sept 3-9 when it appears Jupiter exits womb area; and 42 weeks from conception (44 weeks from period) is week of Sept 17-23. Keeping with the pregnancy symbolism, I cannot see it anything occurring in regards to either these signs occurring after Sept 23. If it does, then we need to scrap the whole pregnancy concept because it's not consistent. But it you are correct in the time will tell us. Either God will give us further revelation, the signs will come and go, or something will happen. Excellent point MissusMack08! The long pregnancy problem... On this particular issue, one possible explanation is this... Perhaps the conception does not start until jupiter is low in the womb... as it starts retrograde. This would be February 5, 2016. Exactly 280 days later (normal gestation period) is November 12, 2017 . I know this throws a wrench in everybody's timeline, but on that day (november 22) there is a Jupiter/Venus conjunction... Gary's thoughts about a "Celestial C-Section" fit well here... we would still be able to have a birth before labor... I wouldn't worry too much, or get too locked into any one Idea here... When the sign gets here.... it will be standing at us ready to devour! We'll know it... and be protected! Yes. I think my point in general is there are some consistency problems here. Its need to be literal or not at all, not a mixture of both. If the retrograde is the start, then the comet meant nothing and there's no way to say when the exit occurs because the entrance was ambiguous. I'm having trouble with saying "if Jupiter crosses this certain line" then it means conception but "when it crosses that certain line" it means nothing, or vice versa. There are either lines or there are no lines. There are either specific dates or there are no specific dates. Sorry we we are getting off topic here! |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Aug 19, 2017 13:16:24 GMT -6
Yes! I got upgraded to a "watcher!" Woohoo!
Sorry, couldn't contain myself :-)
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Post by brad on Aug 19, 2017 13:54:28 GMT -6
Excellent point MissusMack08! The long pregnancy problem... On this particular issue, one possible explanation is this... Perhaps the conception does not start until jupiter is low in the womb... as it starts retrograde. This would be February 5, 2016. Exactly 280 days later (normal gestation period) is November 12, 2017 . I know this throws a wrench in everybody's timeline, but on that day (november 22) there is a Jupiter/Venus conjunction... Gary's thoughts about a "Celestial C-Section" fit well here... we would still be able to have a birth before labor... I wouldn't worry too much, or get too locked into any one Idea here... When the sign gets here.... it will be standing at us ready to devour! We'll know it... and be protected! I agree with your issues here... 1- Nowhere in the bible do we find how to interpret this.... when does the pregnancy start and stop... lines... no lines... same with the birth..... looks like we just don't know for sure the day or hour... Hmmmn..... Great thinking here! Let me throw another wrench in the works here. This is just my own personal opinion, but I think there are 2 things going on here. one is the rapture, and the other is the emergence of the antichrist directly after the rapture. at the risk of being excommunicated for even suggesting this... I think it likely Jupiter is not what it first looks like... rather it's the Antichrist forming. Logically it would go like this. 1-February 5 2017, Jupiter starts retrograde low in the womb where normal pregnancies take place... conception day. 2- Just as the real anti-christ will mimic the real messiah... showing wonders etc... this will likely be the sign the antichrist will later show to prove he is the real deal... 3 exactly 280 days after conception, November 12, 2017, Jupiter has a conjunction with Venus just like the bethlehem star did.... again, mimicking the real deal. So where are we if Jupiter is the Antichrist?  ? Short answer (cause we are going to the Harvest Crusade soon)... I believe it is something not quite as easy to see... With a magnitude of 7.77....The Asteroid Vesta!.... More on this later, but it just always seems to show up at all the right times and places... On September 23, it is right at the Sun... (the Fiery red Dragon??? Standing ready to devour??? ( look closely at the picture... Vesta is in the red hash lines)  Just an opinion of mine... not dogmatic about it... in fact I'm just getting excited that one way or another... we will find out soon! Congrats on the new Watcher Status!!!!! |
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