Third temple

18 hours ago boymaker said: [This dialogue was copied and pasted from another 3rd Temple thread  'What is the 3rd Temple' ]-  *** I -   Disciple4life -  believe the temple is a real, physical brick and mortar structure, and I said for the sake of peace, I wouldn't comment in that thread anymore.]

        boymaker - "I thought it was easy enough to accept that the third Temple is meant for the time of Jacob's Trouble. It's not meant for Christians. Supposedly there are many rituals and observances that Jews         cannot do without a Temple. To rebuild this temple, to their delight, and to betray the Jews in it sounds like A/C prophecy to me. All of this while 144K Messianic Jews are declaring the Gospel, likely causing         much conflict for the Jews. "



    _    boraddict said "You have two points that I find interesting.

        1) The third temple is not meant for Christians.
        2) 144K Messianic Jews declare the Gospel.

        Answering the second point first: According to Rev. 7:5 there are only 12K of the 144K that are from the tribe of Judah. Secondly, the entire 144,000 follow the Lamb of God and are therefore Christian (Rev.         14:1, 4).

        On the first point I need to offer a bit of analysis to wit: If Christ instructs his 144,000 to build the temple then the Jews will be furious because it will not be a Jewish temple but Christian. The ordinance         practiced in the temple such as baptism will infuriate the Jews to the point that they will make a deal with the devil to destroy Christ's temple. In other words, the temple may not be a structure built with the         materials the Jews are preparing but a building location for converting the Jews to Christ.

        Thus, the temple structure will be a conversion effort for Christ. As you perhaps know, it is illegal to do missionary work in the nation of Israel. Thus, if an effort was pushed forward and a building built for that         purpose then the Jews would outwardly revolt against Christ. However, there would be several hundred souls saved prior to the country's destruction.

        Therefore, it is my opinion that the temple will be built primarily for missionary work purposes. The Jews will not like what the Christians do.

        Read more: board.unsealed.org/thread/1887/third-temple?page=3#ixzz6E2y0bhln    ] end of Bora's quote/reply.  

But, if we look at the passage, we can see that this tells us several things in explicitly clear detail. 

1.  I believe the temple is Literal, because Christ said in Matthew, that we would see the Abomination of Desolation standing in the Holy Place.   There is almost universal consensus that the Holy Place is the Holy of Holies - the innermost place in the temple that only priests could go, and where the presence of God dwelled on the Ark of the Covenant.   

It's also clear that if this meant peoples' hearts, thoughts or attitudes, then we can't see it, and the Holy Place is not peoples' mind or heart.   

Further, it was given to the apostles as a sign to look for.   

When looking at the Historical, cultural and grammatical context,  Matthew was written by a Jew, about a Jew, to Jewish people, all of whom knew what the Holy Place is.   Much like "No one Knows the Day or Hour" was widely-known and as instantly recognizable to the people then as "Turkey Day" is to us.  

In the South, the Holy Place is often used interchangeably with Cracker Barrel, but when we consider the genre and audience, I think we can rule out Applebees, or Cracker Barrel.   Little Southern Humor.  ;-)

The passage says 12 thousand from each tribe and then it lists each of the twelve tribes by their names. 

12,000 from each Jewish tribe, times 12 = 144,000 Jewish Witnesses.  No Gentiles mentioned here, nor is there any room for speculation that some of these were Gentiles.  

        Revelation 7:4-8 English Standard Version (ESV)

        4.   And I heard the number of the sealed, 144,000, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
        5.  12,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed,
            12,000 from the tribe of Reuben,
            12,000 from the tribe of Gad,

        6.  12,000 from the tribe of Asher,
            12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali,
            12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh,
        7. 12,000 from the tribe of Simeon,
            12,000 from the tribe of Levi,
            12,000 from the tribe of Issachar,

        8. 12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun,
            12,000 from the tribe of Joseph,
            12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin were sealed.

This also underscores the whole idea as the Tribulation being the Time of Jacob's Trouble, not for Gentiles.  

Another very interesting side note that I think fits here.    According to pastor and end-times scholar Perry Stone -  the First Four feasts are in the Spring, and then there is a gap - Summer. 

The next feast in the calendar is Feast of Trumpets, - which is the next feast that has not yet been fulfilled.  

He makes the point that the theme of this feast is the End of the Harvest.       The wheat is harvested in the Spring, and is connected with Pentecost, and the fruit is harvested in the summer. 

Could it be that the rapture signals the end of the harvest for the Age of the Church,/ Age of the Gentiles, and begins the Age of the Jews or the Time of Jacob's Troubles.   

Particularly interesting, and in think significant because Israel is linked to Fruit - Figs, not wheat. 

Then, we see this idiom again,  "No One Knows the Day or Hour" directly referring to Feast of Trumpets, in Matthew 24, ["after the Abomination of desolation and after the Greatest tribulation that has ever been or ever will be, and the sun is black and the moon turns to blood."]  in a passage that explicitly points to the Second Coming, not the rapture this time. 

    7 years from Feast of Trumpets is what ?? Feast of Trumpets.   Bookends. 

Hmmm. 

Hello @bora,

Thanks for the clarification. I don't understand all the technicalities of Benjamin, vs Judah. Maybe we're saying similar things, not sure. ;-)

My point is that these are all tribes of Israel. As in they are not tribes of Gaul, or Tribes of Russia or Tribes of Philistines, or Tribes of France or Denmark. These are not uncircumcised Europeans or Asians.

The 144,000 are Jews - the 12 tribes that came from Jacob and the children of promise, as opposed to the Ishmaelites, the ancestors of the Modern day Arabs.

There is no other case in scripture, where we see the tribes of Israel and then listed by name to mean or include non-Jews.

Is it possible that Gentiles are helping (will play a key role) to construct the Temple ?      Yes, I totally believe it/ agree with you  . I think it's not only possible but very likely ;-)

*** I think the role of a Gentile, - like Trump, for example, IMHO would be more financing, and or political negotiation with the UN and Jordanian Arabs, to get the land, etc. but I'm not dogmatic about it. 
I don't see them involved at all in the actual construction, as Jews do and would see us as unclean/ Defiled, and as you mentioned, I think that would make them revolt even more against Christianity.

Just my thoughts. It's super interesting, and to me, though I know we are the temple, and we don't need sacrifices, I see it as a huge piece in the end-times puzzle.

With the temple - there is a day count, and the abomination of Desolation, and the two-witnesses.

Maranatha

Modern day rabbis are even saying that Trump is a modern day type of King Cyrus, who was instrumental in the building of the Temple, and the Temple Institute minted a Temple coin, with the image of Trump, super-imposed over the image of Cyrus, and the third temple on the other side.