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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 23:53:34 GMT -6
RT: Very interesting and conclusive approach!
Again, it would be very helpful (not only for me, I guess) to have this summarized and condensed into a single document.
I did not find something in this regard.
Another question arises for me:
Has anyone else come to the same conclusions and published it as a book or some writings?
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Post by rt on Aug 21, 2017 7:37:23 GMT -6
Thanks Stephen for your comments. I sent you a message regarding said document.
I know there are others who have come to the same conclusions as I have, but as far as I know there aren't any books out there that share this idea. There may be some that see the sixth seal as coinciding with the rapture, however they are usually pre-wrath or mid trib rapture views. I would like to publish my revelation study which includes the ideas shared in this thread, I just do not have a clue how to go about it. If anyone here can help me with that I would be happy to talk with you.
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Post by whatif on Aug 21, 2017 23:04:41 GMT -6
I'd be happy to do some proof-reading for you, rt, once you've written up a draft, if you'd like! I've done a lot of that sort of thing over the years.
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Post by rt on Aug 23, 2017 17:39:43 GMT -6
Thank you for the offer whatif, I have written a 267 page commentary on the book of revelation which contains the ideas found in this thread. I have edited it several times already and had someone do some proof-reading of it for me. It is kind of you to offer though.
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Post by whatif on Aug 23, 2017 17:50:10 GMT -6
No problem, rt! I'm glad you've had some help!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2017 18:07:31 GMT -6
rt, I have no idea how to help, but Nelson Walters may very well be willing to...he has published 3 books from his notes and a new one is about to come out....I bet if you emailed him on his site that he could steer you towards a publisher
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 7:42:01 GMT -6
rt, I have no idea how to help, but Nelson Walters may very well be willing to...he has published 3 books from his notes and a new one is about to come out....I bet if you emailed him on his site that he could steer you towards a publisher rt, this sounds good for me, I would go for it, if this is OK for you Another option I would consider for publishing is bible.org |
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Post by linda on Aug 31, 2017 16:44:52 GMT -6
This is my first post, so I hope it's okay to jump right into the discussion. rt, your take is something that I've been thinking about for awhile because I've recently read 2 books that take a very similar stance to yours. Both were written by David Lowe 5 or 6 years ago. Some may want to pick them up. Both are in Kindle. They are Earthquake Resurrection and His Voice Shook the Earth.
As you wrote, rt, he also believes that the first 5 seals have been happening since Christ died and was resurrected. He believes that when John is called up to heaven, that he doesn't enter the future, but the time right before Jesus is resurrected. God has the scroll in his right hand and John is weeping because there is no one worthy to break the seals. Then the lamb walks in and an elder tells John not to weep because the Lion of the tribe of Judah has prevailed. That would have been right after Christ's death and resurrection. Then Jesus takes the scroll and begins opening the seals. This happened back in the first century. There have been wars and famines and earthquakes and disease and financial travails for the last 2,000 years. We just see them getting worse and worse during our time. These are the birth pains Jesus was talking about.
The martyrs under the altar in the 5th seal are all the martyrs since Stephen. They continually ask God how long it will be until they are avenged. They can't be the tribulation saints, or they would know how long it would be since the tribulation would be happening.
He believes the great earthquake of the 6th seal is when the rapture happens (hence the title of his book). He goes into detail about how when Jesus was resurrected there was an earthquake. Also, a number of other people were resurrected from their graves at the same time and were seen walking around the city. There are also the 2 witnesses in revelation. When they were brought back to life and raptured, there was a great earthquake that killed 10% of the city. His belief is that the supernatural energy used in a resurrection of many millions of people will cause all the great earthquakes around the world at the 6th seal. That makes a lot of sense to me, as well as the fact that the actual tribulation doesn't start until the actual scroll is completely opened after the 7th seal and the half hour of silence in heaven.
Sounds very similar to your thoughts, rt, so just wanted to share this resource for anyone wanting to read more in depth.
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Post by whatif on Aug 31, 2017 16:58:28 GMT -6
Fascinating thoughts, linda! Welcome to the forum--and yes, please feel free to jump right into any discussion!
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Post by hillary on Aug 31, 2017 18:02:44 GMT -6
I haven’t read it all through but wow...I too believe the seals have already been in process of being opened since Jesus returned to heaven after his crucifixion, and in a 6th seal rapture, and that Jerusalem could be/is very likely to be MB. It’s a little startling (in a good way) to see my own conclusions mirrored so clearly. It doesn’t happen often, lol. And I’m still learning & open to being corrected as knowledge increases, but this is where I’ve landed in my own eschatology. Great job, RT.
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Post by rt on Aug 31, 2017 22:51:00 GMT -6
This is my first post, so I hope it's okay to jump right into the discussion. rt, your take is something that I've been thinking about for awhile because I've recently read 2 books that take a very similar stance to yours. Both were written by David Lowe 5 or 6 years ago. Some may want to pick them up. Both are in Kindle. They are Earthquake Resurrection and His Voice Shook the Earth. As you wrote, rt, he also believes that the first 5 seals have been happening since Christ died and was resurrected. He believes that when John is called up to heaven, that he doesn't enter the future, but the time right before Jesus is resurrected. God has the scroll in his right hand and John is weeping because there is no one worthy to break the seals. Then the lamb walks in and an elder tells John not to weep because the Lion of the tribe of Judah has prevailed. That would have been right after Christ's death and resurrection. Then Jesus takes the scroll and begins opening the seals. This happened back in the first century. There have been wars and famines and earthquakes and disease and financial travails for the last 2,000 years. We just see them getting worse and worse during our time. These are the birth pains Jesus was talking about. The martyrs under the altar in the 5th seal are all the martyrs since Stephen. They continually ask God how long it will be until they are avenged. They can't be the tribulation saints, or they would know how long it would be since the tribulation would be happening. He believes the great earthquake of the 6th seal is when the rapture happens (hence the title of his book). He goes into detail about how when Jesus was resurrected there was an earthquake. Also, a number of other people were resurrected from their graves at the same time and were seen walking around the city. There are also the 2 witnesses in revelation. When they were brought back to life and raptured, there was a great earthquake that killed 10% of the city. His belief is that the supernatural energy used in a resurrection of many millions of people will cause all the great earthquakes around the world at the 6th seal. That makes a lot of sense to me, as well as the fact that the actual tribulation doesn't start until the actual scroll is completely opened after the 7th seal and the half hour of silence in heaven. Sounds very similar to your thoughts, rt, so just wanted to share this resource for anyone wanting to read more in depth. Thanks Linda I am definitely going to get David Lowe's book for my kindle. It certainly sounds like he and I see eye to eye. I had read a blog many years ago by Peter Goodgame. He was the only one at the time who had published anything online about how the earthquakes seem to happen at resurrection events redmoonrising.com/mult-trib.htmAnd welcome Linda to the forum! |
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Post by rt on Aug 31, 2017 22:52:48 GMT -6
I haven’t read it all through but wow...I too believe the seals have already been in process of being opened since Jesus returned to heaven after his crucifixion, and in a 6th seal rapture, and that Jerusalem could be/is very likely to be MB. It’s a little startling (in a good way) to see my own conclusions mirrored so clearly. It doesn’t happen often, lol. And I’m still learning & open to being corrected as knowledge increases, but this is where I’ve landed in my own eschatology. Great job, RT. Thanks Hillary for taking the time to read through the thread, I appreciate your encouragement! |
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Post by Connie on Sept 1, 2017 20:09:45 GMT -6
I haven’t read it all through but wow...I too believe the seals have already been in process of being opened since Jesus returned to heaven after his crucifixion, and in a 6th seal rapture, and that Jerusalem could be/is very likely to be MB. It’s a little startling (in a good way) to see my own conclusions mirrored so clearly. It doesn’t happen often, lol. And I’m still learning & open to being corrected as knowledge increases, but this is where I’ve landed in my own eschatology. Great job, RT. Count me in also. Just finished every post (Every. Single. Post. . . but then what else have I got to do after Harvey?  ) Over the decades, I've jumped around on all this so many times, first holding one view and then another. But, after years of studying, I had come to a similar conclusion--this makes sense of so many things.Kind of thought I was the lone ranger. I've just finished reading this entire thread and I'm quite shocked anyone else out there agrees. Of course there's always a little something here or there, but that's to be expected. Of course, we're all going to know very soon and that's the really exciting part Thank you, RT, for taking the time to put everything together so clearly! Your work is a blessing and much appreciated. |
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Post by rt on Sept 1, 2017 20:29:39 GMT -6
You are welcome Connie, and trust me when I say, it is equally a blessing for me to hear that I am not a lone ranger either. I have had a hard time even getting people to entertain some of my thoughts, let alone agreeing with me in any way. So thank you also for taking the time to read the entire thread and for your kind words of encouragement, it means a lot to me and is very much appreciated as well.
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Post by watchmanjim on Sept 2, 2017 0:02:05 GMT -6
RT, your model is now my basic go-to theory. I may have some questions or differences about some of the details, but I have a feeling you are far more right than wrong about what you have put. So--where do we pick up with the narrative, after this break we've taken?
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) Over the decades, I've jumped around on all this so many times, first holding one view and then another. But, after years of studying, I had come to a similar conclusion--this makes sense of so many things.Kind of thought I was the lone ranger.
