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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 13:40:31 GMT -6
Interesting topic and I see it come up for debate quite often in the last few years. I never gave it much thought to be honest until recently.
Theer, first off welcome to the boards and I am glad you are here with us. 😀
the world loves to belittle God and all of His wonderful creation every chance they get. Academia will persecute anyone who bucks their theories of evolution or big bang etc. Modern day scientists cover up or hide any information that is contrary to their anti God worldview as well. There is zero doubt that satan tries to cut God out of al the modern days sciences and that he loves to distort or hide the truths of God and our origins. I agree with you 100% on that foundation.....
But I personally haven't seen evidence to convince me that the Earth is flat. I belive that we are on a sphere but I am no expert and I do not claim to be any kind of authority on this subject either though.
I am certainly open to hearing other view points that oppose mine though. The thing that I have never seen explained by the flat earth community is what happens at the edge of the earth? Are there any photos or evidence of the "edges" of the end of the earth. I don't mean that to be funny or antagnotisc. Just genuinely curious.
And while I do believe that we are on a sphere, I don't think we sent humans to the moon.
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Post by sawdy on Mar 7, 2018 22:29:04 GMT -6
Watched these videos linked on this blog today. Some new points pro-flat that I hadn't heard before were addressed. I'm back to fence sitting on this one. Problem is, is my fence on a flat surface or on an "oblate spheroid"? arcticcompass.blogspot.ca/2018/03/globe-earth-flat-earth-you-decide.html?m=1@soup2345 - I came across this blog by searching for Cathy O'Brien and Trudeau after one of your recent shares on the CT1 thread. I think it is going to provide me with lots of viewing about many topics over the next while. It's like Netflix with a tinfoil hat.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Mar 7, 2018 23:39:19 GMT -6
I watched an hour show on flat earth theory. The water level argument does not hold water. One reason:gravitational pull across a sphere will keep everything along said sphere.
Explain the tides to me (though anything can be explained as God doing it, and truly I think He is operating everything, oh wonderful omnipresent, omniscient Father).
I also saw how they were talking about how things can rise and defy gravity (air balloons) I thought that one was really odd, because duh, the lighter gasses of helium and hydrogen contained within a vessel will cause it to lift, as well as warm air over cool air...
To me Water is the miracle compound. It can exist in all 3 states: solid, liquid and gas at our existing atmospheric pressure. It also become less dense when in its frozen state. There are many more miracles of water not to mention the constant use of the word in the Bible. The Miracle compound of Water is one of my witnessing tools and how can it be an accidental evolution?
Finally back to the utube video I saw re: planes flying. A sphere this person says they would fly into outspace in a strait line, but they seem to fly a strait line that keeps them at the same altitude, etc etc etc, so the earth is flat.. in the air planes are also affected by gravity and are pulled by this sphere as they travel across it. Kinda like the point of force on a ball that rolls along the ground, there is always a spot of contact on the ball (plane)affected by the gravitational pull of the earth.
Maybe the theory of gravity is wrong.
I do not believe we went to the moon especially after watching this same flat earth video. That evidence on this in the video convinced me. I am highly skeptical of how far up into space we really have gone since they say there is this intense area of heat outside our atmosphere and why with all our advanced technology are we not back on the moon? How about sending some of our trash to the other side of the moon? What if we launched our garbage into outer space toward the sun so it can get incinerated by the sun? I think we are meant to stay within this dome of atmosphere. Going into space is like a repeat of the Tower of Babel.
Footstool? Some words can have a spiritual meaning too. All enemies will be made a footstool of the Lord.. Though, this is a good one: Loosed the cords of Orion? Someone told me once that the 3 stars that we see in the line in Orion are actually further apart from each other than the 4 stars that make up the rectangle of Orion. Something like that. So yes, God is purely unfathomable.
But, very soon we will know if the earth if flat, eh?
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Mar 7, 2018 23:52:17 GMT -6
I tend to roll my eyes a little when this subject comes up, as well as moon landings being faked, etc. We just saw from Elon Musk's launch that the earth is indeed not flat.
But let's use basic logic - occams razor, what is the most likely explanation? The earth is round and the images we have seen are true?
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There is a vast conspiracy by the nations of Russia, China, and the United States to fool humanity into believing humans have traveled to space and that the earth is round (to what end?). On top of the vast conspiracy, everything we see in the sky, other bodies are round, even the nature of eclipses attest to the shape of the earth. Yet it's all a conspiracy and completely different than the evidence we can see with our own eyes?
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Mar 8, 2018 0:06:34 GMT -6
ok sawdy, I see what ya mean! Lifting this one up to the Lord.
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Post by sawdy on Mar 8, 2018 0:25:17 GMT -6
I tend to roll my eyes a little when this subject comes up, as well as moon landings being faked, etc. We just saw from Elon Musk's launch that the earth is indeed not flat. But let's use basic logic - occams razor, what is the most likely explanation? The earth is round and the images we have seen are true? Or There is a vast conspiracy by the nations of Russia, China, and the United States to fool humanity into believing humans have traveled to space and that the earth is round (to what end?). On top of the vast conspiracy, everything we see in the sky, other bodies are round, even the nature of eclipses attest to the shape of the earth. Yet it's all a conspiracy and completely different than the evidence we can see with our own eyes? B: It isn't round according to Neil deGrasse Tyson. It is chubby. It is an "oblate spheroid". I have seen no images of an oblate spheroid or for that matter, any images of a blue marble put forth by anyone other than NASA. If you watch the videos I linked, I think the third one explains the reasoning behind the promotion of a flat earth. I've watched a "landing" of a space x that looked so cgi that it didn't look real. Likewise, the testing launches of missiles by Russia looked fabricated as well. I would like to see some good, footage from multiple sources, like the Challenger explosion. Like I said earlier, I would love to not give flat earth a second thought but until I have thoroughly investigated the topic, I am back to wondering about it.
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Post by sawdy on Mar 8, 2018 0:28:14 GMT -6
ok sawdy, I see what ya mean! Lifting this one up to the Lord. Exactly. I am praying about some clarity on this subject. My cousin posted on Facebook a newspaper article that the Flat Earth convention is coming to her city. She couldn't believe it. I, on the other hand, am kinda interested in going now. Edit to add: I just searched about the conference. Every news article is incredulous about the topic. It is giving me a little more confirmation about the Alien rapture plot that is going to be spun. "The earth is round", they say. "Aliens have come and appeared to us". Flat earth is 100% confirmation for the inability to have an Alien plot. There is no was to explain away the rapture if the earth is flat. Hence, the need to push the Ball agenda which keeps perpetuating the need to disprove God as our creator.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 7:50:26 GMT -6
Watched these videos linked on this blog today. Some new points pro-flat that I hadn't heard before were addressed. I'm back to fence sitting on this one. Problem is, is my fence on a flat surface or on an " oblate spheroid"? arcticcompass.blogspot.ca/2018/03/globe-earth-flat-earth-you-decide.html?m=1@soup2345 - I came across this blog by searching for Cathy O'Brien and Trudeau after one of your recent shares on the CT1 thread. I think it is going to provide me with lots of viewing about many topics over the next while. It's like Netflix with a tinfoil hat. I am pretty sure I was called that a time or two in high school
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Post by kjs on Mar 15, 2018 8:01:23 GMT -6
I still am not ready to set my education aside and say I live on a flat earth. That being said there are a few “recent” happenings that make me question some things being reported. SpaceX CEO Elon Musk launched his now-famous red Tesla Roadster into space. According to Musk, they did NOTHING to the car to make it “space ready”. So according to the reporting, the Roadster is exactly the same as any other Tesla Roadster currently on Earth. As any USA student knows (who has attended a High School Science class). If a balloon filled slightly with just a little bit of air when subject to a partial vacuum – will expand and possibly burst. That is of course because the inside atmosphere of the balloon does not match the outside atmosphere of the partial vacuum. Here is the deal with the Tesla Roadster, which had four air filled tires. Based upon the supposed pictures taken in Space – all tires appear exactly as they would be on Earth. Yet, they are supposed to be in the near perfect vacuum of Space. Why is that? They should have exploded (because of too much internal pressure) or at least grossly been misshaped because the vacuum of space. Second issue is bare metal in space within direct Sunlight can hit Temperatures of 2500°C (or roughly (3,630 °F)). At least two of the “pictures” show the Roadsters hood in direct Sunlight; yet the hood remained in tacked and not even evidence of the paint melting away. Again, According to Musk, they did NOTHING to the car to make it “space ready” …. So no weird metals add to stand up to Temperatures of direct Sunlight…. Again, have to ask How is this possible? So all of you scientist – out there – anyone want to comment on these riddles?Still waiting on explanation here..... What about the air in the tires? That is the biggest "unexplained" for me (followed by metal in space in direct sunlight)..... Someone said the pictures from Elon Musk prove the globe earth ..... Actually those pictures raise more questions ....... like why the tires did not explode!!!! Here is a short clip about a balloon in a partial vacuum balloon link
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Post by sawdy on Mar 15, 2018 22:10:19 GMT -6
kjsI read your post, watched the video on the balloon in a vacuum, and proceeded to watch videos on the SpaceX heavy launch. Found some interesting ones that spoke to the melting, the fact that Musk says it looks so fake, it has to be real and issues with the "live" videos of rocket booster landings and "live" issues of the Tesla feed. There is a can labeled "Peaches". As we slowly open the can, hoping to eat some delicious peaches, we are starting to find out it isn't what we thought. Slowly we are discovering that the label is wrong, that there are actually worms in the can. Many cannot see them as they are viewing the can from the opposite side, near the bottom, and not from above where we are opening it. They refuse to believe it is full of worms. "It is peaches!" they cry out. "It is labelled as such! The label doesn't lie!". But we say, we have opened it part way and can see it is not peach in color, but greeny/brown. "You are wrong!" they yell. "It says peaches!". Sadly, many refuse to come to view the can from above the can. Abraham asked God to spare a whole city if he could find 10 righteous men. Sadly, he could only find one, Lot. I know it isn't the best comparison, but what I am trying to explain is that it shows how so many easily scoff and ridicule without seeking to lovingly educate (okay, maybe lovingly educate is the wrong image when it comes to sodomites- I may edit this post further if I can get around to saying what I want to say in a better way). I personally would like more proof as to believe in what my eyes are seeing, and not just someone saying it looks so fake so it can't possibly be fake. Tell me why the dashboard isn't melting. Explain to me why the tires have maintained their shape and are still rubber. Tell me that you did something like puncture the airbags or remove them before launch.
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Mar 15, 2018 23:29:26 GMT -6
I'm attaching a link to show some very basic ways we can know for ourselves that the earth is indeed round, without the help of Elon Musk or photos from NASA. Something I would ask folks to consider - what does this do to our witness? There may well be folks looking here after the rapture for answers and what does this discussion say. Does it harm our credibility? I recognize some of you may not like what I am saying here, and I mean no offense. You are my brothers and sisters. But if we can look up at the moon and see the earth's curved shadow, but are arguing that the earth is really flat and it's a giant conspiracy that would necessitate the involvement of untold thousands of people as well as countries who are enemies... what are we doing to our witness? www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round#page-12
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Mar 15, 2018 23:38:59 GMT -6
I'm attaching a link to show some very basic ways we can know for ourselves that the earth is indeed round, without the help of Elon Musk or photos from NASA. Something I would ask folks to consider - what does this do to our witness? There may well be folks looking here after the rapture for answers and what does this discussion say. Does it harm our credibility? I recognize some of you may not like what I am saying here, and I mean no offense. You are my brothers and sisters. But if we can look up at the moon and see the earth's curved shadow, but are arguing that the earth is really flat and it's a giant conspiracy that would necessitate the involvement of untold thousands of people as well as countries who are enemies... what are we doing to our witness? www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round#page-12 www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/60544-ways-to-prove-earth-is-round.html
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Post by kjs on Mar 16, 2018 8:06:56 GMT -6
sawdyThat is the issue (or at least an issue) Musk says -- they did nothing to the car to make it "Space Ready". I was not involved in the loading of the car to the rockets, I did not inspect the car tires to see if they removed all air.... All I have to go on is what was publicly said before, during and post launch. As the balloon video shows -- even very little air in the balloon with a partial vacuum will expand the balloon. That is because the air inside the balloon is enclosed in its own atmosphere. Likewise the tires are enclosed within their own atmosphere. I too was raised that I live on a spinning globe and I have no "proof" that proves otherwise.... BUT, I can think and I can question and when things do not "add up" -- I think those things should be pointed out. If someone can come up with a plausible story on why the tires did not explode or misshaped because of a complete vacuum -- I will be all ears. but as things stand now ... that makes the whole car in space story so "fishy"....
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Post by neural on Mar 20, 2018 1:25:10 GMT -6
In one instance, Isaiah talks about "the circle of the earth", in another and in other books, "the four corners of the earth" are mentioned.
So let's start with the basics: Is the earth a flat square, or a flat disc?
If it is a flat square, then we can clearly understand that God has removed our sins from His Mind no further than the east is from the west, which might only be like 22,000 miles. Very comforting (not)
Then there's the sky sausage issue, which I have yet to successfully explain to a flat-earther (mostly because they ignore what I say all together and simply stop responding).
We live on the northern end of this flat disc, cube, whatever. If you go out at night, and watch the stars through the night, they will burn their tracks around Polaris.
If you look to the South, you will not see the southern cross (the constellation that is on the southern pole in the sky), but that's ok, we'll go with the absurd notion that they're just not visible because of distance.
If you travel to the tip of South America, by car or by foot, no "airplane voodoo" involved, you will lose sight at night of Polaris, and see the stars of the southern polar region (including the Magellanic clouds). And if you sit on a clear night facing south, you'll see them burning a path around the Southern Cross.
If the earth is flat, the only way this is possible is if the sky is a sausage shape (complete with curvature upward and away from the plane of the earth) that is rotating around the square/disc (which we still haven't defined).
Oh, and while I'm at it, since these people are out to set us "globe-tards" straight, I have a question about NASA.
If the earth is flat, and everything we've been told about space is an outright fabrication and lie, let's talk about NASA's space probes. Remember, these things are fake, they are all imaginary and just fantasy written by people at NASA to deceive us. So why is it that so much of the data sent back by these probes proves the existence of God? Why isn't the data they are receiving totally confirming the lie they want everyone to believe?
Satan doesn't do things that give people evidence that God exists. He doesn't do things that would lead people *to* the Lord.
My personal opinion is that the whole "flat earth" craze is a device designed by Satan to defame, degrade, and otherwise make Christians look like mentally unstable individuals. It is demonically driven and in the long run has no consequence in regards to whether or not Jesus died for our sins, rose again, and ascended to take his position on the throne. It is a distraction that is divisive by design.
I'd like to say that I'd entertain counter points to my "sausage sky" statement, or the issue of NASA's probes, but I'd like to see someone first use biblical verse to define if this "flat earth" is square or round, because the first thing y'all need to do if you want to push your agenda is figure out which bible verses are right.
Circle or Square?
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Post by neural on Mar 20, 2018 1:31:41 GMT -6
If you watch the videos I linked, I think the third one explains the reasoning behind the promotion of a flat earth. I've watched a "landing" of a space x that looked so cgi that it didn't look real. Likewise, the testing launches of missiles by Russia looked fabricated as well. I would like to see some good, footage from multiple sources, like the Challenger explosion. Like I said earlier, I would love to not give flat earth a second thought but until I have thoroughly investigated the topic, I am back to wondering about it. (apologies if the format of the quote is a mess. Still getting used to this forum's platform. The earth being "Oblate" is partially true. Due to it being a semi-solid sphere spinning quite quickly (for something 7900miles across), it is a bit fatter at the equator than at the poles. We have a difference of about 27miles between polar diameter and equatorial diameter (confirmed via internet, but hat tip to Vangelis for burning the data into my memory through the album Albedo 0.39)
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