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Post by blur on Mar 9, 2019 10:11:30 GMT -6
blur - interesting, can you provide more detail on that? 2 or 3 messiah's. I'm not familiar with that view. In fact this video is the first I've heard of 2. My former familial ties never said 2 they would often in Yiddish "send meshiach now!" but not "send meshiach again" or "send the next meshiach" what are we discussing? whether the notion of messiah ben David & Joseph actually exists? because it does, not hard to look up
or whether this notion of messiah ben David & messiah ben Joseph is correct? it is not scripturally correct.
Why does it exist? the notion of messiah ben David & joseph is promoted because they want to create the idea of the AC & FP as being holy people. They are misleading people. Simple as that.
'Messiah' just means 'anointed one'. Cyrus was called an anointed one. Zerubabbel & Joshua are anointed ones. Jesus is/was an anointed one. So when Daniel 9 talks about 'maschiach', it is just talking about 'an anointed one' not necessarily about Jesus. Make sense?
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Post by boraddict on Mar 9, 2019 11:07:11 GMT -6
Hi blur. Let's consider this together and leave out bible-hub and other sites that may have errors in their interpretations. In fact, many of these places do error in their analysis. So let's you and I look at the evidence as stated in Zech. Chapters 3 and 4 as well as any other evidence you wish to consider. The only thing that I ask is that we use only the King James Version because I feel most comfortable there. Additionally, what is your religious background. For me I was raised in an atheist home and my parents were divorced when I was 13 years old. Then at the age of 19 I became curious and investigated several doctrines. In the end I liked Hair-Krishna because it was so outlandishly false and I was going to join but never did. I liked the jumping and singing and was going to go work on a farm in Kentucky or somewhere there about. However, that which made it so attractive was that is was clearly false. I did not need to consider the doctrine as potentially true. But like I said, I did not join and began to read scripture to learn for myself what it said. So for me, I do not lean towards any church but my own analysis. There was a time that I felt handicapped from this deficiency of not being taught in my youth. But now I find that it is great blessing to read scripture and find what is says on my own. So if you are willing to go down that rabbit hole and see where it goes then lets do it together. I am confident that we can find the truth. Perhaps we should begin a separate thread.
There is no 'error' in the original Hebrew text, which is all the interlinear Bible is. The 'error' would only lie in a translation such as the KJV.
Hi blur. I am following yardstick's instructions to not pursue this any further. It is simply a technical difference that has no bearing upon our salvation. I did however start a thread on Zechariah to give my analysis of that work. Also, the older Hebrew text was rewritten into Greek and then about 500 AD the Greek text was once again written into Hebrew. So the Hebrew that we now have predates King James but not the Septuagint. I am going off memory on this. Nevertheless, we do not have the original Hebrew text but the @ 500 AD version. So while it is true that the Hebrew bible dates back to Moses, the modern version does not predate the Septuagint.
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Post by yardstick on Mar 9, 2019 17:50:23 GMT -6
I believe there is a distinction between the two messiahs referred to in the video and the two witnesses of Revelation. In Revelation, the two witnesses are in no way identified as being involved in any military activity whatsoever. They stand in Jerusalem and witness to the jews ( boraddict - when i use the term jews, I am referring to all of the descendants of Jacob/Israel, regardless of their tribal affiliation/bloodline). They call down plagues (I wonder if these are the same as the vial judgements...) and can kill whomever attempts to harm them. Nothing else (in regard to their character) is explained, other than their murder (presumably by the AC) and subsequent resurrection (and harpazo) are explained. I am not sure we should draw the conclusion that they are in any way shape or form, the same two people identified as messiahs by the commentator in the video. Especially when the commentator is so adamant to explain that the first 'messiah' is a military, violent man, killed in battle (hardly murdered in Jerusalem whilst witnessing). Although I firmly believe that one of the two witnesses will be the messenger of love, and the other the messenger of punishment/judgement, I cannot reconcile either of them as being anything like the two messiahs in the video.
if you had read my last sentence, I said that messiah ben David and messiah ben Joseph are IMITATING the 2 witnesses. The 'mortally head wounded shepherd' (what people call the AC) & the false prophet are IMITATIONS of the 2 witnesses. The notions of 'messiah ben David' & Joseph ARE actually promoting the AC & FP as holy people.
Is that clear enough? The correct understanding is based on the VERY BIBLICAL BASIS of Zechariah 4:14 which describes 2 anointed ones. (I DON'T WATCH VIDEOS as they are a waste of time). THE 2 witnesses are the 2 anointed ones. The Hebrew term 'maschiach' just means 'anointed'. Therefore, there are 2 'messiahs': BECAUSE THERE ARE 2 ANOINTED ONES, ZERUBABBEL & JOSHUA
Why are you misrepresenting what I said? I said nothing about 2 witnesses being 'military leaders'.
I believe I was agreeing with you. The commentator on the video was defining the two individuals in question. From our perspective, we would see these two people as potentially the AC and FP. Not the two witnesses of Rev 11. I hope this makes my explanation a little clearer. Sorry for the confusion.
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Post by Rick on Mar 10, 2019 14:31:45 GMT -6
Hello all, glad to see everyone. yardstick I watched the video and to me it makes alot of sense. I am of the belief that most or all of this stems from Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
I do think that the veil will be lifted from their eye's during Daniel's 70th week. I do know one thing as a fact, that God's timing is perfect and it will all play out just as He has planned.
Love one to another
2Timothy 2:15
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