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Post by bella on Aug 23, 2017 17:09:34 GMT -6
Ok, I am new here but I keep thinking that the number 33 is a big clue. I believe if the sign is indeed a rapture sign, it cannot happen before the rapture. We are told we cannot know the date or hour. I also lean towards thinking the rapture would come in 5777 not 5778 , because 5777 is perfection and grace. I noticed that Sept 9 is the day Jupiter exits the womb. It is the 9th day of the 9th month, both 3x3. There are 99 days from the sign to the end of the year. Thoughts?
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Post by bella on Aug 23, 2017 17:12:18 GMT -6
Additionally, I believe the rapture will be a secret event, just as Jesus birth was. The second coming will be public and fulfill feast days. The church is separate from Judaism, and feast days are not relevant for Christians.
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 24, 2017 0:19:18 GMT -6
Well, that is quite possibly a clue, Bella. We keep going over and over these numbers, and I think God wants it to be still a little bit unsettled in our minds as to exactly which day it is, but 9/9/17 is a big possibility we have mentioned, so you may be onto something.  |
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Post by whatif on Aug 24, 2017 6:59:11 GMT -6
There are 99 days from the sign to the end of the year. Wowww!!!! I didn't know that, bella! That is 3 x 33, and 01 January 2018 would be 100 days! Great find! |
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Post by yardstick on Aug 24, 2017 7:50:34 GMT -6
I have had to revise/refine my perspective on the Rev 12 sign a little. I think I have been reading Rev 12:1-2 as if it were all lumped together. But maybe it isn't. A message at the end of one of the unsealed blog posts made me consider that we might want to take the sign in bits an pieces to get a more precise view of the timeline. Here is a partial quote (my emphasis added): Blog Post with the commentThe view we get on 9/23 is that which is described in Rev 12:1. Before 9/23, verse 1 has not happened yet! Before we get to Rev 12:2, the 'travailing' has not occurred yet! Where is Jupiter on 9/23? Still 'in' Virgo! Not "birthed' yet! No 'travail' yet, because we have not gotten to verse 2 yet! The first word in 12:2 ---> 'and'... a conjunction relating verse 2 with verse 1. Verse 2 is the action. Verse 1 is just the identifier. Thus the travailing, must occur no sooner than 9/23! Thus, proponents of Isa 66:7 could draw the conclusion that the 'birth' occurs before 9/23! To answer the OP's questions: 1. The conflagration or problem is the travailing, and therefore is not likely to occur until at least 9/23. 2. Isa 66:7 is at least one thing that could happen! 3. The 'she is in travail' is referring to the scripture passage itself; that is, what occurs on or after 9/23 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 7:51:33 GMT -6
There are 99 days from the sign to the end of the year. Wowww!!!! I didn't know that, bella! That is 3 x 33, and 01 January 2018 would be 100 days! Great find! ....and the 100 days represent 144.000 minutes....  |
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Post by yardstick on Aug 24, 2017 7:54:45 GMT -6
Additionally, I believe the rapture will be a secret event, just as Jesus birth was. The second coming will be public and fulfill feast days. The church is separate from Judaism, and feast days are not relevant for Christians. That is an interesting hypothesis. What do you think impact on the overall world population when millions of people disappear? Or are you suggesting that the harpazo is secret because the details are known only to a few prior to it occurring? Are you suggesting that the secrecy is limited in scope or duration? Please explain. |
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 24, 2017 10:08:12 GMT -6
I have always wondered what people mean when they say a "secret rapture." A secret to whom? And for how long?
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Post by mike on Aug 24, 2017 11:02:05 GMT -6
I have always wondered what people mean when they say a "secret rapture." A secret to whom? And for how long? It wouldnt be a secret Jim...I think this means that there are many "backslidden" or "carnal" christians who will be left behind, making a secret event. At least that is my understanding. Could be totally wrong |
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Post by socalexile on Aug 24, 2017 13:45:28 GMT -6
I have always wondered what people mean when they say a "secret rapture." A secret to whom? And for how long? It wouldnt be a secret Jim...I think this means that there are many "backslidden" or "carnal" christians who will be left behind, making a secret event. At least that is my understanding. Could be totally wrong The original idea was that if the general populace knew the Rapture happened, then they would of course know that the Bible was true, and that the Apocalypse was upon them, and would repent en masse; thus, God's judgement would be unwarranted, and it says that people will not repent from following the Beast. So some thought that the public must somehow be unaware of the Rapture, and the doctrine was born. The same kind of reasoning has produced other, more spectacular theories, such as the "alien deception" theory. Now guys looking to ridicule Pre-trib like to target the secret rapture doctrine, even though it's not a universal or necessary to believe in Pre-trib. They just do it to discredit and deride people. IMO, consider that the majority of those who consider themselves Christians reject Christ alone as their source of righteousness, and seek to be justified before God by their own works. Whether they ever saved, or they simply followed apostasy afterwards is well above our paygrade to determine; however, imagine that theoretically, those who though they were saved (but weren't) will repent (change their minds) and end up Tribulation saints, while the general world population will gladly reject God due to their insistence on God not being just for leaving them. Subconsciously, many people think their self-righteousness should obligate God to conform to their will - if they don't flat-out reject Him. There's also the doctrine I have run into, where it is believed that the unjust are the ones taken away, based on a bad reading of Luke 17:31-37. This could become a popular one among the religious in the post-Rapture era. |
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Post by brad on Aug 24, 2017 14:00:36 GMT -6
Ok, I am new here but I keep thinking that the number 33 is a big clue. I believe if the sign is indeed a rapture sign, it cannot happen before the rapture. We are told we cannot know the date or hour. I also lean towards thinking the rapture would come in 5777 not 5778 , because 5777 is perfection and grace. I noticed that Sept 9 is the day Jupiter exits the womb. It is the 9th day of the 9th month, both 3x3. There are 99 days from the sign to the end of the year. Thoughts? Hello Bella! Nice find on the 99 days till the end of the year.... a thread was started not long ago... check it out here! unsealed.boards.net/thread/593/earthquakes-eclipses-33 |
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Post by bella on Aug 24, 2017 14:23:25 GMT -6
I meant secret in that the timing wasn't officially known beforehand. Yes, it would be noticeable that millions of people are gone. It is interesting that certain people might assume that the "bad" people are the ones removed. Wow.
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Post by socalexile on Aug 24, 2017 14:37:08 GMT -6
I meant secret in that the timing wasn't officially known beforehand. Yes, it would be noticeable that millions of people are gone. It is interesting that certain people might assume that the "bad" people are the ones removed. Wow.Consider that most of those in churches, including some very famous preachers that are quoted ad nauseum on Facebook, reject the idea of 'salvation by grace alone though faith alone in Christ alone'. Most think that at least some good works must be shown to either maintain salvation or prove that one has it in the first place. The idea that someone could be carnal yet saved is rejected and derided. The Gospel is actually very simple. |
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Post by bella on Aug 24, 2017 14:54:41 GMT -6
I meant secret in that the timing wasn't officially known beforehand. Yes, it would be noticeable that millions of people are gone. It is interesting that certain people might assume that the "bad" people are the ones removed. Wow.Consider that most of those in churches, including some very famous preachers that are quoted ad nauseum on Facebook, reject the idea of 'salvation by grace alone though faith alone in Christ alone'. Most think that at least some good works must be shown to either maintain salvation or prove that one has it in the first place. The idea that someone could be carnal yet saved is rejected and derided. The Gospel is actually very simple. |
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Post by whatif on Aug 24, 2017 23:57:58 GMT -6
Wowww!!!! I didn't know that, bella! That is 3 x 33, and 01 January 2018 would be 100 days! Great find! ....and the 100 days represent 144.000 minutes.... And another Wowwwww!!!!! Amazing, stephan! |
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