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Post by fitz on Dec 13, 2022 5:37:52 GMT -6
The LSV gets it right? I think so! You may or may not agree with this interpretation, but he makes a compelling argument. Well worth the 20 minutes (@ 1.5x!). I've been following this guy from the start and the leading of the HS has been amazing.
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Post by mike on Dec 13, 2022 7:58:19 GMT -6
Not so sure fitz. To me he sounds like he is doing exactly what he thinks the translators are doing. I dont see it but maybe because I dont see the rapture before the Trib. Strongs 3528 - nikao - to conquer, prevail Word Origin - Nike to conquer, prevail When does the church overcome martyrdom in the last days? |
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Post by sog on Dec 13, 2022 18:37:52 GMT -6
This seems a strange stretch to me. In each Jesus is breaking seals, but in the first seal, according to this above translation he is suddenly transformed to "the one who sat on it", but in the rest of the seals, "and to him who sat on it" or "the one who sat on it" is the Anti-Christ or some other nefarious rider? Does he think that Christ is the same rider on all these horses? I would think not, so why the first? It's a bit of a reach to me. Also, he says since the nikao word is the same word used throughout the Bible, it has to have the exact same connotation? Does the Bible not have the same word mean something different when considering context? The context, to me, is that the first rider is to be given the ability to do something and the next three seals describe in more detail how that is going to be done.
NASB (which I have always understood was one of the best, if not best, translations word-for-word in context)
Revelation 6:
The First Seal: Conqueror on a White Horse
1 Then I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, “Come!” 2 I looked, and behold, a white horse, and the one who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.
The Second Seal: War
3 When He broke the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come!” 4 And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that people would kill one another; and a large sword was given to him.
The Third Seal: Famine
5 When He broke the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, “Come!” I looked, and behold, a black horse, and the one who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. 6 And I heard something like a voice in the center of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not damage the oil and the wine.”
The Fourth Seal: Death
7 When the Lamb broke the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come!” 8 I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and the one who sat on it had the name Death, and Hades was following with him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, and famine, and plague, and by the wild animals of the earth.
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Post by mike on Dec 14, 2022 9:34:33 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Dec 14, 2022 10:24:58 GMT -6
I also would like to add another thought or two. If we are living in the last of the last days, and the scripture is to be fulfilled how can we reconcile this mans opinion on Rev 6 with the apostacy? The church backslides from the Lord, (except for the remnant) not conquering. So many in the so called church show me Titus 1:16, and we can clearly see falling away in Moreover, Jude warns us of being duped by false teachers who are after the wickedness in their own hearts. Im not saying this man is that BTW. But it is what we (in the last days) will experience. Repentance precedes revival. Weeping over sin-guilt precedes revival. My own conversion went that way. I was not able to discern truth and confusion reigned in my life until I changed my mind and cried out to Him to forgive me and help me! Im not so sure the rider on the white horse matches what we should see in scripture. fitz - I do disagree here, and I do not believe that this is of the Holy Spirit unless to expose an error. Are the many other consistent views on this topic all wrong? I suppose its possible, but I am just not seeing it this way after doing some more homework. |
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Post by fitz on Dec 17, 2022 10:08:39 GMT -6
Good comments all, thank you! I think the LSV gets the translation in Rev 6:2 correct as opposed to the KJV, et al.
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