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Post by Gary on Jun 29, 2017 18:55:16 GMT -6
I've been trying to figure out the date of creation for a few years now. There are many contradictory dating methods, suffice to say I think I've only been able to narrow it down to the 3950 to 4004 BC range. However, a few months ago I was toying with the year 3983/84 BC and just recently two different brothers, independent of each other, came to the same conclusion for different reasons.
First, I'll share with you a video where a pastor uses simple arithmetic using the Masoretic text to arrive as that year:
The other brother is bloodredmoon (a member here). Would love for him to chime in.
If Creation occurred in 3984 then 2017 would be the 6,000th year.
My next best guess would be 3977 BC because 2024 would be the 6,000th year.
One big question is, when should we start counting the Revelation 20 millennium? I've always assumed the count should start at the end of the Trib, yet many scholars associate the term "Day of the LORD" not only with the millennium, but also with the Trib. An argument could be made that the Trib comprises the first 7 years of a 1,000 year "Day of the LORD".
There are many other details that I personally think narrows creation to either 3984 or 3977.
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Post by whatif on Jun 29, 2017 19:14:22 GMT -6
Hi, Gary! I have been theorizing 3984 for a number of years now, so I am so excited that you and others are theorizing the same thing! In fact, I had posted a little while ago a link to an old timeline I created, and it can be found with some notes about it in my post on this page: unsealed.boards.net/thread/271/find-dragon-2
I have to say I was thinking 6000 years from -3984 to 2017, but wondering where the 7 years fit in to the mix. Then I discovered that the Book of Jubilees claims Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden for 7 years before the fall into sin. So if that is true (I know there is debate about the authority of the Book of Jubilees), there would be 6000 years from creation to 2017, but 6000 years from the fall of man in -3977 until 2024 (if I've counted correctly).
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Post by whatif on Jun 29, 2017 21:09:35 GMT -6
Gary, I can't begin to tell you just how much that video you posted above means to me! I just finished watching it, and I so wish the pastor had continued to show the rest of what he found when he came near the end of the video. May I ask you what the name of the pastor is?
One thing that I thought was so amazing is how he pointed out the connection between Joseph and Jesus and the 4000 years ending at 17 AD. That is one of the things I was perplexed by when I created my own timeline and discovered the 4000 years ending then. In fact, not too long ago, I was praying that the Lord would show me why I was coming up with AD 17, as I believed Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection would occur at the end of the 4000 years. The pastor's theory about Joseph's connection is giving me an excellent help for the solution to the mystery!
I know he said at one point during the program that the Lord meant the message perhaps for someone who is watching the video, and I would love to tell that pastor that I know that I'm one of those who the Lord was meaning it for!
Gary, you made my day by posting it--thank you, thank you, thank you!
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Post by whatif on Jun 29, 2017 22:47:49 GMT -6
The other brother is bloodredmoon (a member here). Would love for him to chime in. Yes, please, bloodredmoon! If you have some time, I would so much love to hear from you!
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Post by Gary on Jun 30, 2017 7:54:29 GMT -6
Whatif, wondering if you might be able to email me your spreadsheet to unsealed.org@gmail.com? Unfortunately our work network doesn't permit me to download it from that other thread. Two things could possibly point to 17 AD being year 4,000: 1. Joseph, a type of Christ, was seventeen when he tended his flocks: Genesis 37:2 2. The Lydian Earthquake in 17 AD was probably the worst earthquake of the ancient world and directly affected the area of the churches in Revelation 12 I definitely don't see evidence for a 17 AD crucifixion, but perhaps we could say Jesus died and rose again not at the very beginning of the 5th day, but in the 5th day (1,000 year days). Also, I'm trying to line up the fact that the next two closest matches to the Rev 12 sign occurred in 3974 BC and 3915 BC. P.S. I'm not familiar with the pastor. I believe his last name is Armstrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 8:11:19 GMT -6
That makes sense. Torah Calendar puts creation at 3980, which annoys me, because that puts 6000 years at 2021. I lean toward 3977. Here's my reasoning: the first 6000 years were the age of man; it's the age of when man gets to choose God or himself. The last 1000, you get God whether you like it or not. Adam and Eve would then have lived in Eden choosing God, but then they picked themselves. Plus, 7000 years of creation feels more complete then 7007 years of existence.
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Post by Gary on Jun 30, 2017 8:21:44 GMT -6
That makes sense. Torah Calendar puts creation at 3980, which annoys me, because that puts 6000 years at 2021. I lean toward 3977. Here's my reasoning: the first 6000 years were the age of man; it's the age of when man gets to choose God or himself. The last 1000, you get God whether you like it or not. Adam and Eve would then have lived in Eden choosing God, but then they picked themselves. Plus, 7000 years of creation feels more complete then 7007 years of existence. That's basically what I've been thinking, too. One possible confirming piece of evidence is that the traditional date for the Flood was in the 2300 - 2350 BC range. I used Stellarium and I think possibly pinpointed the Flood in either 2345, 2333, or 2321 BC based on a recurring alignment. I'll have to share this with the board at some point. A 2321 BC flood would fit with 3977 BC like a glove. On the other hand, the above video pretty much nails the arithmetic leading up to Solomon's 4th year as king. The big question is how does he arrive at 966 BC as Solomon's fourth year. I'd like to figure that one out. One thought on 3984: I'm toying with the idea that the Tribulation is the first 7 years of the millennium, thus it's still a 7,000 year plan and not 7,007. Scripture frequently uses the term "Day of the LORD" and in my understanding it can apply both to the Trib and the millennial reign. This intrigues me. Perhaps when the male child is caught up (the Body of Christ) and joined to the head then the 1,000 year reign begins, but from Heaven rather than earth. The Tribulation would thus be the first 7 years of that reign where Christ and His Body puts the house in order and executes judgment on the squatters. In short: imho, I think we've narrowed the date of Creation to somewhere in the 3984 to 3977 range. 3981 is also a possibility for a few (less convincing) reasons.
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Post by whatif on Jun 30, 2017 10:11:03 GMT -6
Whatif, wondering if you might be able to email me your spreadsheet to unsealed.org@gmail.com? Unfortunately our work network doesn't permit me to download it from that other thread. I'll be happy to, Gary! I'll start up my e-mail right now for you!
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Post by whatif on Jun 30, 2017 10:36:03 GMT -6
That makes sense. Torah Calendar puts creation at 3980, which annoys me, because that puts 6000 years at 2021. I lean toward 3977. Here's my reasoning: the first 6000 years were the age of man; it's the age of when man gets to choose God or himself. The last 1000, you get God whether you like it or not. Adam and Eve would then have lived in Eden choosing God, but then they picked themselves. Plus, 7000 years of creation feels more complete then 7007 years of existence. One possible confirming piece of evidence is that the traditional date for the Flood was in the 2300 - 2350 BC range. I used Stellarium and I think possibly pinpointed the Flood in either 2345, 2333, or 2321 BC based on a recurring alignment. I'll have to share this with the board at some point. Please do, Gary! I would be very interested in the information!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 10:50:53 GMT -6
To Gary, I'm not sure. That makes sense, but isn't the seventh day supposed to be a day of rest? The Tribulation is about the opposite of rest.
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Post by Gary on Jun 30, 2017 13:32:10 GMT -6
So here's what I found about the Flood. As you well know, Jupiter is Christ's star and is involved in key signs in the heavens including Jesus' first coming, the crucifixion/resurrection, the rapture, and Jesus' second coming. With this in mind, I took the generally agreed upon range for the Flood to have occurred (2350 - 2300 BC) and looked to see if anything interesting appeared that might tie in with Jupiter and these other events. There are only two constellations in the Mazzaroth that are related to water: Aquarius and Pisces. Pisces represents fish and Aquarius is always pictured as a man pouring water on the ground. Every ancient culture that I could find portrays Aquarius pretty much in the same way (Ancient Rome, Greece, Babylon, India, etc). It seems to me that Aquarius is the only constellation that makes sense in regards to the Great Flood (if a sign in the heavens was involved) as God opened the heavens and flooded the earth. In 2345, 2333, and 2321 BC, Jupiter is in the constellation Aquarius, but in 2321 there is an interesting fit: Jupiter enters retrograde around the second biblical month (when the Flood would have begun) and encircles the stream of water portrayed as being poured out. If you back up even further you will see a conjunction of Venus and Jupiter within Aquarius and before that a retrograde of Mercury around the water stream as well. Check it out: The red line shows Jupiter's path around the stream of water. That's basically the same retrograde path Mercury (Messenger) takes as well just a few months before Jupiter. It's almost like a big warning and then a few months later the Flood came. A 2321 BC Flood would place Creation in 3977 BC, btw, and 2024 AD would be year 6,000 exactly.
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Post by whatif on Jun 30, 2017 13:59:01 GMT -6
That is awesome, Gary! Thank you!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 14:55:09 GMT -6
Hey, did anyone think like this: if Adam and Eve lived for seven years in the Garden, then it would make symbolic sense: seven years of perfection, 5986 years of decent, and then seven years of the worst debauchery the world has or will ever see. In the same way: seven years of no judgement, 5986 years of increasing judgement, and then 7 years of wrath.
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Post by Gary on Jun 30, 2017 15:09:29 GMT -6
I looked into Jubilees and it does give the Fall as occurring 7 years from creation (chapter 3 I believe). Now take that with a grain of salt. The current version of Jubilees is definitely not original, but it's possible some of it is.
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Post by whatif on Jun 30, 2017 16:43:34 GMT -6
Cool! Thanks, Gary!
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