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Post by rt on Aug 3, 2017 14:16:35 GMT -6
well sure the rapture might not happen on the 23rd, or the 24th for that matter. I do believe that the sign is significant, and it is crazy how the constellations on the 24th are so close to the scriptures, but the rapture may not immediately follow the sign, the sign could be fulfilled way in advance of the rapture. Personally I believe that the rapture happens on a full moon as indicated by the scriptures that talk about the removal of the sixth seal, perhaps at the feast of Tabernacles, but it all remains to be seen.
I have cautioned before and I hesitate to do so again, however, we need to remember this is all speculation, we really do not know how this celestial sign factors into the fulfillment of prophecy, I hope and pray that should the rapture not come this fall or this year even, that people do not lose hope, or worse, lose faith in Christ because of it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 14:29:17 GMT -6
Why is that kjs? I kicking around an idea and it can only be tested out by knowing when the child is born/birthed. I can run it as of 9/23, but I have been wanting to know of any other possible dates and 'why' they are being given as an option. I'm not into all the astronomy stuff, so I'm blind and valid info from outside my understanding. Would you be willing to explain 9/9 option?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 14:34:04 GMT -6
Ya know Virgo's womb? The four sided enclosed space where Jupiter spends 42 weeks? On the 9th, it passes out of that into between the legs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 14:37:15 GMT -6
rt, i'm with you. I listened to a man make a VERY valid point. He said that although the traditional year change is at Rosh Hashanah, in Exodus 12, God told them to change the year, now starting in Nissan. So the man's point was, that although 'tradition' keeps going in the fall, and the Gregorian(done by Pope Gregory) was changed to January...that GOD said the year starts in the Spring, therefore the year we are in, starts in Spring 2017 and ends in Spring 2018. He said not to count out the rapture happening just because it did not happen on 9/23 - and that though we ALL hope so, it may take longer and the scoffers that Peter warned us of may come, but to keep going because God had given too many clues that the time was upon us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 14:48:08 GMT -6
Thanks Beloved. Okay, thinking out loud, (right now trying to put myself thinking as Jewish, since this is of the law).....The Rev. 12 scripture indicates a 'male' child correct? I have been wondering why God lets us know it is a 'male' child. Leviticus tells us that a woman, giving birth to a male child is UNclean for 7 days, and the child is circumcised on the 8th. Then she is not permitted to attend the temple for 33 days. (Yes, 33 shows up again). HOw might 7 days, and possibly 'circumcision OF THE HEART' play into this thinking.
Again, just whispers to me to keep going with this......
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Post by kjs on Aug 3, 2017 14:51:08 GMT -6
Why is that kjs? I kicking around an idea and it can only be tested out by knowing when the child is born/birthed. I can run it as of 9/23, but I have been wanting to know of any other possible dates and 'why' they are being given as an option. I'm not into all the astronomy stuff, so I'm blind and valid info from outside my understanding. Would you be willing to explain 9/9 option? You remember in the May/June time period how people were Yelling -- Hey Look Jupiter came back out of her side -- and other's replied -- no that is just the Baby Bump? The thing is there is NO LINES in space (we create them by pretending a straight line from one star to the next is really there) Anyway, on Sept. 9th -- the imaginary Womb Line is crossed by Jupiter .... I took that as being the BIRTH -- before the Labor ..... Isaiah 66:7 “Before she goes into labor, she gives birth; before the pains come upon her, she delivers a son. " Rev 12:5 "She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne."Assuming the Rapture happens immediately after the Birth and the Birth is on the 9th ...... is what I am partial too... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:00:33 GMT -6
Well that could mean two things:
1)Israel delivered a son (Jesus) before the labor/birth of the Tribulation was to come..
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Since Israel is definitely NOT delivered at the beginning of the tribulation....so if she is giving birth and then the pain.... SOMEBODY is delivered BEFORE Israel is delivered.
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Post by kjs on Aug 3, 2017 15:08:51 GMT -6
Well that could mean two things: 1)Israel delivered a son (Jesus) before the labor/birth of the Tribulation was to come.. or Since Israel is definitely NOT delivered at the beginning of the tribulation....so if she is giving birth and then the pain.... SOMEBODY is delivered BEFORE Israel is delivered. If we assume (realizing it could make a ass-u-me) That the Rev.12 is future from Jesus' birth (and it was written after it) Then the "male Child" becomes the "Body of Christ" (cause Israel was never addressed as being male) .... Once the harpozo happens -- then Satan goes after the only one still within reach -- which is Israel. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:23:46 GMT -6
Okay, so if we count 7 from 9/23 - we get to Feast of Atonement(giving time to repent both in Israel and in America as the 40 days of the solar eclipse finishes), then a new beginning for natural Israel? Their eyes might be opened/circumcised by the rapture of the believers? If we count 7 from 9/9, we get the 9/16 - not seeing a tie in there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 15:40:53 GMT -6
Personally I believe that the rapture happens on a full moon as indicated by the scriptures that talk about the removal of the sixth seal, perhaps at the feast of Tabernacles, but it all remains to be seen. Well the full moon would play well also into the timeline of Amos 8... Sept full moon , followed by feast days, followed by a day of darkness at noon on 9/23, then seven days until the day of atonement(days of unclean). |
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Post by yardstick on Aug 3, 2017 18:01:35 GMT -6
Why is that kjs? I kicking around an idea and it can only be tested out by knowing when the child is born/birthed. I can run it as of 9/23, but I have been wanting to know of any other possible dates and 'why' they are being given as an option. I'm not into all the astronomy stuff, so I'm blind and valid info from outside my understanding. Would you be willing to explain 9/9 option? I have a spreadsheet with significant dates labeled and a distribution curve (histogram) plotted. I'll post the updated version tomorrow. I need to add full moons to the calendar. Incidentally, here is the moon visibility on Sept 21-24 from Jerusalem: www.moongiant.com/phase/09/21/2017Make sure your computer time is set to Jerusalem Time, or you will get a false reading from this site. |
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Post by yardstick on Aug 3, 2017 18:07:51 GMT -6
Okay, so if we count 7 from 9/23 - we get to Feast of Atonement(giving time to repent both in Israel and in America as the 40 days of the solar eclipse finishes), then a new beginning for natural Israel? Their eyes might be opened/circumcised by the rapture of the believers? If we count 7 from 9/9, we get the 9/16 - not seeing a tie in there. The 'labor' isn't finished on 9/9. It is finished on Sept 23, and the 'afterbirth' in October (15th?). Would the 'unclean' woman who had the 7 day waiting period not be analogous to a 7 year trib? The birth occurs before the labor if we are interpreting Isaiah 66 correctly.. And the scripture reference to giving birth to wind may apply here (Jeremiah?). If I was a funny man, I'd suggest the wind is the sound of all the saved whooshing their way up through the clouds... |
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Post by yardstick on Aug 3, 2017 18:12:59 GMT -6
Okay, so if we count 7 from 9/23 - we get to Feast of Atonement(giving time to repent both in Israel and in America as the 40 days of the solar eclipse finishes), then a new beginning for natural Israel? Their eyes might be opened/circumcised by the rapture of the believers? If we count 7 from 9/9, we get the 9/16 - not seeing a tie in there. Isn't it possible that their eyes wont be opened (Excepting the 144,000) until after the 7 days (7 year Trib)? Otherwise, why the need for the 144,000 to witness to the Jews? Or do they not witness, but are the remnant saved by believing? |
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Post by yardstick on Aug 3, 2017 18:13:33 GMT -6
Personally I believe that the rapture happens on a full moon as indicated by the scriptures that talk about the removal of the sixth seal, perhaps at the feast of Tabernacles, but it all remains to be seen. Well the full moon would play well also into the timeline of Amos 8... Sept full moon , followed by feast days, followed by a day of darkness at noon on 9/23, then seven days until the day of atonement(days of unclean). September full moon is on 9/6... The spreadsheet I have been working on has the distribution curve starting to get really active about 9/6 and dropping off about 10/19. The 'high' point is on 9/20-9/22... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 19:05:58 GMT -6
Thank you for all your input! You have given me much to be thinking about!
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