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Post by cwood85 on Nov 13, 2017 18:22:31 GMT -6
So I'm curious how some see these verses I just posted above, in light of your belief of a secret rapture? If the second coming of Christ is brilliant and glorious, every eye will see Him, and we will all be caught up together in the clouds, do you believe a rapture takes place before that? And if so, perhaps you could explain why. I had a feeling you were going to ask that  I mean that politely as an observation. In the quotes you gave of verses, some are directed towards the Jews because that is the audience he was speaking to. All the verses quoted from Mark, Matthew, and Luke is towards the Jews. Thessalonians is speaking to the Gentiles. If you look at the audience that these books are being directed at/written/ or spoken to, it clears things up a lot. |
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Post by mike on Nov 13, 2017 19:40:53 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum adventbeliever and thanks for the questions. Many people here believe in a pre-trib rapture, not many advocate for what you call a "secret rapture". At least in my experience at the site. Also know that there are and have been folks who believe in mid-Trib rapture, similarly others are looking for the Advent (see what I did there) of Daniel's 70th week (a similar view) As cwood85 has said context helps explain at lot of the intent of the verses you posted. I also encourage you to review the thread directory There are some threads with a lot of highly detailed answers to the questions you ask |
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Post by adventbeliever on Nov 13, 2017 20:14:54 GMT -6
Thanks for the responses. I myself am not a believer in the rapture, but it is interesting to understand where others are coming from. I do believe in the imminent second coming of Christ. But there are a few things that will happen first, based on bible prophecy.
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Post by beatrice on Nov 13, 2017 21:08:19 GMT -6
Thank you paulwatchmandawson for the wedding video. I used it for a Salvation Call on my facebook page. So many still need to hear the Word and time is so short! But... I wanna go HOME!!! |
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Post by mike on Nov 13, 2017 22:22:48 GMT -6
Just checked gary777 latest update from S0 and noticed Gary said that the earthquake in Iran/Iraq occurred during the conjunction. Interesting I think. Thoughts paulwatchmandawson |
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Post by disciple4life on Nov 14, 2017 4:54:00 GMT -6
Thanks for the responses. I myself am not a believer in the rapture, but it is interesting to understand where others are coming from. I do believe in the imminent second coming of Christ. But there are a few things that will happen first, based on bible prophecy. Hello Advent Believer, Welcome to the forum. So nice to have you. As Mike mentioned there are people on here with different views, and it's great to share and learn from each other. I myself was raised to believe in the Secret [Surprise] rapture. This is held by the vast majority of Pentecostal, Charismatic and Holiness churches, Nazarene, Church of God, etc. - It is Secret, in that for those who are not true followers of Christ, [Those left behind] they will only notice the effects/horror after the fact - Social media and news will explode with tens of millions of people suddenly missing. **Not all of these churches/ denominations teach this, but for the most part, they believe that the "every eye will see him" refers to the second coming at the end of the tribulation, when Christ comes with his church. ;-)
- It is a Surprise, in that they take the Hebrew idiom literally "No one knows the Day or Hour" and interpret that to mean, it's not on a Feast day, - it literally could be any day of the year. They generally believe that it will be without any warning, and that we shouldn't try to watch for signs.
I read the verses you listed. ;-) It's interesting, adventbeliever, because one of these verses you listed is the single strongest and clearest passages for the rapture in the entire Bible - maybe you already knew that. It's the passage in 1 Thes. The dead in Christ shall rise first, and "we who are alive and remain will be "caught up" together." This word in the original is "harpazo" and in Latin it is 'Rapturo', and literally where we get the word rapture. ;-) It's the exact same word used in Acts 8, when Phillip baptized the Ethiopian Eunuch, and was 'raptured' - caught up instantly. It means to be "snatched up, or caught up quickly, by force."
It's not my goal to convince you, but rather to clarify and maybe give some new information. One of the things that was most helpful in clearing up so much confusion, is after 30 + years in the secret rapture belief system - the really amazing understanding that Day of Christ and Day of the Lord are two very different events, with very different purposes/ goals. I'm attaching the PDF file here. It's so helpful, and it really underscores how the rapture is a wedding ceremony - - Christ comes FOR his Church, and we are caught up in the clouds - It happens In the air. - The Bridegroom comes with a Shout, and in the Jewish wedding, the groom and the bride go into the Chuppah - wedding chamber for 7 days, ;-) hmmm. - And it's about Reward. The Second Coming, is about Judgement, and Christ comes WITH his Church, and he returns to Earth, and sets his feet on the Mt of Olives. The thing is about the idea of a Mid-Tribulation view, or Post -Trib, is that we have an exact day count for the Abomination of Desolation [Mid Point of the Tribulation] and the exact day count for the second half -The Great Tribulation. So it wipes out any chance of imminency.
Day of the Lord vs Day of Christ.pdf (120.94 KB)
Maranatha, Disciple4life.
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Post by adventbeliever on Nov 14, 2017 15:21:46 GMT -6
Thanks for the explanation of the secret rapture viewpoint. Of course I do believe in a rapture of all the living saints together, caught up in the air to meet the Lord, at His coming:)
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Post by adventbeliever on Nov 14, 2017 15:59:40 GMT -6
Basically I believe Christ returns visibly and audibly, there is nothing secret about it. At His return the wicked are slain by the brightness of His coming, and the living saints are caught up together with the resurrected saints, to be with the Lord and reign with Him a thousand years in heaven. As it says in Revelation 20:4-6..."They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years." During that time Satan is "bound" on earth, with no one to deceive. Revelation 20:1-3 "Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while." Then Christ establishes His kingdom of glory on earth after the millennium.
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Post by mike on Nov 28, 2017 9:55:58 GMT -6
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Post by klb on Nov 28, 2017 12:15:04 GMT -6
Hi mike Is there a more about the Mars tail on another discussion board? Couldn't find it. Thanks! |
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Post by mike on Nov 28, 2017 12:25:51 GMT -6
klb back a page or two in this thread is a link to Pauls video about Mars being the red dragon. This would be an additional (possible) support to that (maybe).
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Post by klb on Nov 28, 2017 14:59:30 GMT -6
klb back a page or two in this thread is a link to Pauls video about Mars being the red dragon. This would be an additional (possible) support to that (maybe). I remember watching all of that - just didn't know if there was more about the magnetic tail? That is really interesting! |
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Post by klb on Nov 30, 2017 7:10:41 GMT -6
paulwatchmandawson Have you ever seen or heard of this? This is an ancient archeological site in Turkey that shows the Revelation 12 sign. Also, what would the convergence of Mars/Jupiter in January 2018 imply? I know I’m quoting myself but I just remembered this video last night. Isn’t this last convergence between Jupiter and Mars 40 days after yesterday’s anniversary of the 70 year UN vote? For some reason I woke up thinking about this. |
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Post by tygreen on Dec 1, 2017 19:58:30 GMT -6
The Mars/ Jupiter convergence in January 2018 in the throne room seems like it could represent a post harpazo event. Rev 12:5 is when the harpazo event occurs followed by the war in heaven between Michael and his angels against the dragon and his angels (Rev 12:7), the dragon and his angels lost their place in heaven (Rev 12:8), and in Rev 12:9 they were cast out. My thoughts are that the harpazo could be represented by the pre Mars/Jupiter conjunction. The war in heaven could be represented as the Mars/Jupiter conjunction then the casting out of the dragon and his angels could be represented by the post Mars/Jupiter conjunction. I’m excited about this possibility. Also it appears to be a Venus/Sun conjunction in Sagittarius simultaneously.
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Post by paulwatchmandawson on Dec 16, 2017 11:20:04 GMT -6
Hi Guys,
Added a new video. Can't believe we are alive to see this happening! Maranatha!
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Dividing Israel & Two Gog/Magog Wars
Discussing:
Dividing the Land of Israel
These Two Nations
Covenants in the Bible
A Broken Covenant
Ignoring God's Warnings
Consequences
Destruction of Elam
Overflow, Migration and Overpopulation
3 Strikes & Men of this age are out.
Ezekiel 38 walkthrough
Ezekiel 39 walkthrough
Notable Differences
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I mean that politely as an observation. 
