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Post by disciple4life on Aug 30, 2017 13:42:33 GMT -6
Need Help? I'm a watchman, trying to be like the Bereans in Acts, "who searched the scriptures daily, to see if these things were so." In recent years I've become very interested with the feasts and how these appointed times 'moadim' are linked to the Messiah. I understand how the first four Spring Feasts - Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, First Fruits and Feast of Weeks - Pentecost were all fulfilled in/through Christ - in order and very very precise.
I've also heard and read multiple accounts from rabbis and prophecy teachers that explain all the reasons and details why Christ was born near/ ?possibly on Sukkot - Feast of Booths or Feast of Tabernacles. - I'm familiar with the evidence from Zechariah's temple rotation, and also circumstantial evidence - Sukkot would explains why there was no room in the inn.
- Too cold in Jerusalem in Dec for shepherds to be in the fields,
- and the word used in the passage John 1:14 "... and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." [word dwelt is literally the word tabernacle in Greek]
- I'm also aware that Sukkot is the Feast for all nations, and it fits that the angel said, "I bring you good tidings of Joy for all the nations."
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I'm very open and interested to hear other reasons, but it's not the real topic of the thread.
Here are my questions - where I need help. All the first four feasts chronologically were fulfilled by Christ precisely on the very day, and each in precise order. [Sukkot is the last feast and also lines up with the Millennial reign when all the nations will celebrate this feast. ] 1. Why would this one be out of order, and 2. Why don't we have the precision of the other four Spring feasts?? Some days after Zechariah's temple rotation, no specific mention in scripture. My only theory now is that Sukkot is like "bookends" so to speak. Marked the Birth of Christ and will be repeated again at the End of the age. Maranatha. Your fellow watchman - Loren O. |
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Post by Natalie on Aug 30, 2017 14:32:58 GMT -6
Hi, disciple4life, not sure if I welcomed you yet or not.  I think I agree with the "bookends" idea. It makes sense to me that Jesus would be born on Tabernacles / Sukkot. He was called Emmanuel "God with us". It might be that there is a duel fulfillment to this prophecy with the emphasis on the second fulfillment and His Second Coming. While His birth was important and necessary, for our redemption His death and resurrection would be even more important (the fulfillment of the first 4). Similarly, for Israel's redemption, the fulfillment of the last three are the focus. (I see the rapture of the church on the Feast of Trumpets as God turning His attention back to re-gathering Israel and finishing her history. I think the Rev 12 sign is for Israel.) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2017 19:50:28 GMT -6
When our family celebrates the feasts, we celebrate the birth of Jesus on the Feast of Trumpets. That has been my understanding for the last 15 years.
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 30, 2017 23:26:32 GMT -6
There have been cases made for many different birthdates for Jesus--I'm certainly not an expert on that topic. |
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Post by mike on Aug 31, 2017 8:56:58 GMT -6
I read this someplace and copied/saved it to my Google drive. I dont recall where so I cant give credit to who wrote, nor should anyone think I found this myself. WAYYY! beyond me I was researching Christmas and although much of the article itself was about Dec 25 this may be helpful (or not). Christ was born in the fall of the year. “It was custom among Jews to send out their sheep to the deserts about the Passover [early spring], and bring them home at the commencement of the first rain.” The first rains began in early-to-mid fall. Continuing with this same quote: “During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As…the first rain began early in the month of March-esvan, which answers to part of our October and November [begins sometime in October], we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, our Lord was not born on the 25th of December, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks were still in the fields by night. Luke 2:8 explains that when Christ was born, “there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.” Note that they were “abiding” in the field. This never happened in December. Both Ezra 10:9-13 and the Song of Solomon 2:11 show that winter was the rainy season and shepherds could not stay on cold, open fields at night. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 9:11:19 GMT -6
I believe the reason for figuring Trumpets is due to what watchmanjim said above, but also with the courses of the priests. The families had certain times that they fulfilled the duties in the holy of holies. We know what course Zechariah was in (John's father). And therefore we know what time of year it was when he served in the holy of holies. From this we know when John was conceived and in comparison when Jesus was conceived. From this, a "normal" gestational period leads to september/october timeframe. Based on other information about when Jesus died, which was revealed to me in a special way - which I documented for unsealed in this thread: unsealed.boards.net/thread/618/exact-date-time-jesus-deathIt would seem that Jesus was born on Sept 29, 2 B.C. - The feast of trumpets that year. However, God only directed me to the time of his death - not his birth. So, I cannot be adamant. |
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Post by bc23 on Aug 31, 2017 10:15:18 GMT -6
I have subscribed to the Feast of Tabernacles theory after seeing the Mark Biltz video a few years back. I think it is consistent with declaring the end from the beginning as nations will be required to keep this appointed time as described in Revelation. Not entirely scriptural but fun to think about honoring Christ's birthday even after the Millennial reign begins.
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 3, 2017 12:54:40 GMT -6
I believe the reason for figuring Trumpets is due to what watchmanjim said above, but also with the courses of the priests. The families had certain times that they fulfilled the duties in the holy of holies. We know what course Zechariah was in (John's father). And therefore we know what time of year it was when he served in the holy of holies. From this we know when John was conceived and in comparison when Jesus was conceived. From this, a "normal" gestational period leads to september/october timeframe. Based on other information about when Jesus died, which was revealed to me in a special way - which I documented for unsealed in this thread: unsealed.boards.net/thread/618/exact-date-time-jesus-deathIt would seem that Jesus was born on Sept 29, 2 B.C. - The feast of trumpets that year. However, God only directed me to the time of his death - not his birth. So, I cannot be adamant. Hello Silentknight.
Thanks for the thoughts and input. Like you, I'm not dogmatic. I was curious from the first post, as to why you thought it was Feast of Trumpets, then I saw this post. By following Zechariah's priestly service, it puts John the Baptist's birth at Passover and puts Jesus' birth six months later, which is closer to Feast of Booths. But then there's two other issues 1. Christ being born at Feast of Trumpets put the fulfillment all out of order, and Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, First fruits and Pentecost/ Feast of weeks are all out (they have already been fulfilled.) No other feast fits the rapture more perfectly than FOT. and also 2.- scripture talks about the Last Trumpet explicitly connected with the rapture, I Corin 15:52 and other things also fit more precisely - the seven days between Feast of Trumpets and Day of Atonement - It's known by Jews and Gentiles alike as a time of repentance and then [this year only] Feast of Trumpets, and then the very next day is the high Sabbath of Shabbat Shuva - which means return, - which also just happens to be the same exact day as the Sept alignment of planets and stars - some consider this the Rev 12 sign. I don't find anything in scripture that mentions trumpets at the time of Christ's birth. I'm not trying to argue, my brother - but rather to think through the issue, and look for holes. I do the same in regard to the Sept 12 alignment -- and try to see the "potential holes" and I try to do the same in regard to the "no one knows the day or the hour" theory- Which I believe, but I'm still looking for the weak links in the positions. They are there -- all of us have blindspots. Maranatha. disciple4life
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 13:16:39 GMT -6
disciple4life , Please see this post in the thread The Feast of Trumpets: unsealed.boards.net/post/8947/thread. You might want to check out some of the others posts in that part of the thread. In these posts you will see my position on feasts being "fulfilled." The very short version is that many things have happened on the feasts throughout history and these add meaning and understanding to the plan of God. But just because something happened on that day does not mean the feast is "fulfilled." The posts in the other thread spell this out better and will avoid me from writing it all again here. If Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets - which I believe, it does not fulfill that feast. It just adds more understanding to it. Hope the other thread helps explain it better.
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Post by disciple4life on Sept 3, 2017 14:02:34 GMT -6
OK, thanks Silentknight for the link and the reply. ;-) Blessings, and maranatha.
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