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Post by rt on Dec 6, 2017 22:50:49 GMT -6
davidjayjordan , am I correct to assume that you believe in a replacement theology?
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 7, 2017 7:36:47 GMT -6
No, I dont believe in substituting Christians and making them Jewish.
I believe in equality of all races and people, we all just have to choose wisely who the Messiah is... ATS
Do you believe in the substitution theory of theology ?
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Post by davidjayjordan on Dec 7, 2017 7:39:10 GMT -6
I just dont like the idea of praying Judiasm and the Torah into my heart, I prefer trusting in Jesus who came and gave us mercy, forgiveness, and love.
I prefer seeing all people as individuals and not as groups and not asking for their medical bloodlines charts. I prefer seeing each and everyone for who they are or what they have become because of their CHOICES. Not into bloodlines,
Amen ? Amen !
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Post by rt on Dec 7, 2017 15:15:59 GMT -6
I just dont like the idea of praying Judiasm and the Torah into my heart, I prefer trusting in Jesus who came and gave us mercy, forgiveness, and love. I prefer seeing all people as individuals and not as groups and not asking for their medical bloodlines charts. I prefer seeing each and everyone for who they are or what they have become because of their CHOICES. Not into bloodlines, Amen ? Amen ! No I do not subscribe to replacement theology, and I completely agree with what you have said here in your post  Believers are believers, period! Doesn't matter where they come from, what their heritage is, what language they speak or what color there skin is. We are all in Christ together, as equal heirs of the eternal inheritance, I concur with a hearty AMEN! I see that you have added the above quote to your posts, where will you be returning to? (Just curious about your missions work) |
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Post by disciple4life on Jan 3, 2018 16:26:56 GMT -6
Hello Brothers and sisters, fellow watchmen,
Happy New Year. What say you, @rick, rt , MikeTaft , mike , @natalie, barbiosheepgirl others.
I may be mistaken, but it seems like earlier on in this thread, @rick and MikeTaft ?? someone shared that it is written that after 3 1/2 years the sacrifices will stop, but we aren't told exactly after what. ?? Or in other words, there has to be something that starts the clock -- some catalyst that lights the fuse of the 7 year tribulation. Am I right?
I've read and heard multiple reports that the Jewish rabbis already have the plans for the Temple,  AND that they also know exactly where the Ark of the Covenant is, and are keeping it safeguarded until the temple is ready. ?? hmmm.
Here's where I'm really wanting your wisdom/ feedback. I thought that we also have the 42 months/ exact day count of the 2 witnesses [1260 days that mark the first half of the 7 year Tribulation. 70 th week of Daniel. So it seems like - (I'm shaky on this - and haven't formed a strong opinion - still learning so much here) from the insight and knowledge of other watchmen, - the Harpazo itself will be the huge Catalyst - This is what lights the fuse and puts the entire world into panic, hysteria, and starts the Gog of Magog War. ??
- There could be a nuclear attack on Israel, and this could be the catalyst that starts the chain of events,
- We could see Jerusalem Divided, an attempted attack on Israel.
- We could see a treaty between Israel and many nations ??
- There could be a massive earthquake
- Any combination of the above.
- There could likely be a warning - maybe 7 days like Noah, or the signing of a Treaty, that for those watching - "the children of the day - that the rapture will not surprise us like a thief."
But if we were to see 2 witnesses, or the actual construction of the temple, it would be a strong indicator that the tribulation has started. ?? [Time to reconsider Mid-Tribulation scenario] ?? |
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Post by boraddict on Jan 3, 2018 19:52:38 GMT -6
Hello Brothers and sisters, fellow watchmen,
Happy New Year. What say you, @rick, rt , MikeTaft , mike , @natalie, barbiosheepgirl others.
I may be mistaken, but it seems like earlier on in this thread, @rick and MikeTaft ?? someone shared that it is written that after 3 1/2 years the sacrifices will stop, but we aren't told exactly after what. ?? Or in other words, there has to be something that starts the clock -- some catalyst that lights the fuse of the 7 year tribulation. Am I right?
I've read and heard multiple reports that the Jewish rabbis already have the plans for the Temple, AND that they also know exactly where the Ark of the Covenant is, and are keeping it safeguarded until the temple is ready. ?? hmmm.
Here's where I'm really wanting your wisdom/ feedback. I thought that we also have the 42 months/ exact day count of the 2 witnesses [1260 days that mark the first half of the 7 year Tribulation. 70 th week of Daniel. So it seems like - (I'm shaky on this - and haven't formed a strong opinion - still learning so much here) from the insight and knowledge of other watchmen, - the Harpazo itself will be the huge Catalyst - This is what lights the fuse and puts the entire world into panic, hysteria, and starts the Gog of Magog War. ??
- There could be a nuclear attack on Israel, and this could be the catalyst that starts the chain of events,
- We could see Jerusalem Divided, an attempted attack on Israel.
- We could see a treaty between Israel and many nations ??
- There could be a massive earthquake
- Any combination of the above.
- There could likely be a warning - maybe 7 days like Noah, or the signing of a Treaty, that for those watching - "the children of the day - that the rapture will not surprise us like a thief."
But if we were to see 2 witnesses, or the actual construction of the temple, it would be a strong indicator that the tribulation has started. ?? [Time to reconsider Mid-Tribulation scenario] ?? The answers are hard to find. I have been working on this very thing in my thread and I noticed that when the numbers are added then we arrive at the 5 year mark. That is, 70 weeks (Dan. 9:24), plus 1,335 days (Dan. 12:12:12) equals 5 years. The only thing that I can figure is that the last 2 years is the destruction leading to the earthquake, or perhaps the earthquake leading to the destruction. It seems that the fuse is the building of the temple. It is there that the 7 weeks begin and I believe that to be the Passover. Then at day 50 is the rapture/Harpazo. At the beginning of the 70th week is the coronation of the King in the temple and the subsequent murdering of his two witnesses. It is then that the city of Jerusalem is sacked. While all of this is going on then the seventh beast transitions into the eighth (Rev. 17:11). I think the temple being built is what causes the rise of the 7th who in turn causes the rise of the 8th. I am still working on all of this and do not have the answers but I believe that I can find it and that is half the battle. |
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Post by disciple4life on Jan 6, 2018 12:07:52 GMT -6
www.breakingisraelnews.com/99002/trumps-jerusalem-declaration-next-step-third-temple/#/#L55DPHfJ6BJxbxJL.97 This is an interesting article regarding the third temple. Even Jewish rabbis and leaders see Trump's declaration as a major step in fulfilling prophecy, and that it paved the way [is setting the stage] for the third temple. I've read multiple reports that they already have plans, AND that a few high-ranking rabbi's know where the ark of the covenant is located and they are waiting for the opportune time to reveal it. interesting. things are certainly heating up. Maranatha. We're still in the 70th year window / anniversary of Israel becoming a nation, which was in May of 1948. ;-) Disciple4life
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Post by witness1 on Jan 6, 2018 19:17:28 GMT -6
disciple4life , could you share the reports you've read that the ark of the covenant has been found? I was just recently made aware of Ron Wyatt's claim to have found the ark back in the 80s. He said the ark is located UNDER the site of the crucifixion and that the earthquake split the rock and allowed Christ's blood to flow down through the crack and ONTO the mercy seat. WHAT?!? If this is true, I don't have words. As if the crucifixion and resurrection weren't already awesome enough, Christ's blood was poured out where the animal's blood was sprinkled in the past. Ron Wyatt says he passed out for 45 minutes when he found this and realized the implications. If this is true, it fulfills Hebrews 9 literally, which is a passage that has always been a bit curious since it makes it sound like Christ's blood was offered in heaven. What is equally as awe-inspiring is that Ron says he sent this blood to the lab to be analyzed and that it only had 24 chromosomes (23 from the mother plus one "Y" chromosome of unknown origin, supporting a virgin birth) and that the white blood cells multiplied, showing that it was alive. Wow. Unfortunately, there are many who don't believe Ron Wyatt's claims. He is a self-funded, amateur archaeologist who claims to have found ALL of the Biblical artifacts Christians would look for... Noah's ark, the Red Sea artifacts, etc. Ron says the Lord gave him favor and allowed him to find things that others never could when he simply prayed and asked the Lord where to look. After watching an interview of him discussing his finding of the ark of the covenant, I see no reason not to believe him, but I have not finished reading both sides of this yet. He died back in 1999, and even on his deathbed he testified that his findings were valid. I will share the things I have watched/read so far and would love y'all's opinion on the validity of his claims and/or hear what you know about the ark of the covenant being found. I so want this to be true... it's amazing if so!!! www.arkdiscovery.com/Talk4-6-96.htm (written interview... linked in one of Barry Scarborough's videos. He said he had a dream several months back with the date "April 6 1996" in his dream. After searching, he thinks it was pointing to this interview published on that date.) (video interview with Ron Wyatt) jonah135588.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/deathbed-confession-of-ron-wyatt-discoverer-of-the-ark-of-the-covenant/ (deathbed confession- he did not recant his statements that he found the ark) tccsa.tc/articles/wyatt.html (an accusation that his claims are fraudulent) One last thought... my husband has an MDiv from Southwestern Baptist, and he said they discussed Biblical archaeology and learned that most archaeologists are quite liberal theologically and that the profession is notorious for not holding a conservative interpretation of scripture. This does seem to lend support to the idea that the Lord simply may have not allowed others to find things but did bless Ron's search.
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Post by witness1 on Jan 6, 2018 19:21:17 GMT -6
I just looked back through this thread and see that Ron Wyatt's info has already been posted. I am going to leave my post here since it has been several months and there may be new people like me... it seems like several on this site believe this to be true!
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Post by domagb on Jan 7, 2018 11:28:56 GMT -6
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Post by boraddict on Jan 7, 2018 16:58:26 GMT -6
Yes, it is only fair that Ron Wyatt's work stand the test.
I thought I heard him say that four young men were in the cave with him and they took the top off the mercy seat and took out the stone tablets (10 commandments) out for him to photograph. Did I misunderstand something there? If not, then where is the photograph?
Additionally, where is the report for the blood testing? If I had a testing done that showed 24 chromosomes, then I would want an official report; otherwise, it is just hearsay evidence that is not as credible.
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Post by witness1 on Jan 7, 2018 19:58:13 GMT -6
Yes, he did say there were angels guarding it and that he took pictures. I know there are a lot of videos and webpages with this supposed evidence, but I haven’t dug into it yet.
Several things I read though is that part of his agreement in being allowed to dig is that he had to comply with the authorities regarding what he found. Many things say the authorities would not allow him to release the evidence. I’ve seen 2 suggested reasons for this: 1) They feared it would spark a demand for a temple and they were not politically ready to build one. 2) It would cause the masses to convert to Christianity and the government wanted to suppress widespread conversion. Both of these seem plausible, but I do wonder if any “evidence” has come out in years since. I just have a hard time believing this man would make such God-honoring claims while simultaneously praising God and humbling himself if this were all a fraud. I do tend to believe the best in people, but still! How would someone tell a bold-faced lie regarding something of this magnitude?
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Post by disciple4life on Jan 8, 2018 1:54:36 GMT -6
Yes, he did say there were angels guarding it and that he took pictures. I know there are a lot of videos and webpages with this supposed evidence, but I haven’t dug into it yet. Several things I read though is that part of his agreement in being allowed to dig is that he had to comply with the authorities regarding what he found. Many things say the authorities would not allow him to release the evidence. I’ve seen 2 suggested reasons for this: 1) They feared it would spark a demand for a temple and they were not politically ready to build one. 2) It would cause the masses to convert to Christianity and the government wanted to suppress widespread conversion. Both of these seem plausible, but I do wonder if any “evidence” has come out in years since. I just have a hard time believing this man would make such God-honoring claims while simultaneously praising God and humbling himself if this were all a fraud. I do tend to believe the best in people, but still! How would someone tell a bold-faced lie regarding something of this magnitude? Hello witness1 .
I'm not saying I don't believe you. I'm just seeing huge holes in his story, things that don't add up. 1. Why would he spend time, energy and money, looking for one of the greatest archaeological artifacts of all time, particularly that relates to Christianity, with the understanding that he couldn't share/release any evidence. ?? This would make the so-called grail of Christ look like a pop-sickle stick found in a playground. 2. He's supposedly a scientist - not a hair-dresser. He would/ should know that any/ all finds should be documented with photo's and samples and confirmed/ corroborated by third parties. 3. The story of the ark seems beyond belief, but the blood of Christ. ?? Not even close to believable. First, I don't think God would allow it - and if it were really Christ's blood, and he wanted to reveal it, then there would be massive, and clear evidence, confirmed by multiple witnesses. This smacks of the Mormon's golden plates and the special revelation to Joseph Smith. hmmmm. 4. Israel has loads of archaeologists, and scientists, - why should they agree to allow a Gentile - particularly a Christian to search for something that they know would be so controversial. [stir up a hornet's nest among rabbi's and messianic Jews, which they see as corrupted Judaism] ?? That's the biggest thing that makes no sense. What makes him more qualified than scores of reputable archaeologists. ?
It's certainly interesting. Whether or not the ark even exists, or if it does, it's location or if anyone knows - There will be third temple, and they don't need the original to do the sacrifices. As believers, we know that God's presence is within us. I think it will be revealed at the right time..
Here is a very interesting article - Check it out. Imho, it is far more believable than some 7th Day Adventist got special favor from God, and the entire Jewish Government, and found the ark, with the help of four angels, and who also found the physical blood of Christ, but has no proof of that either.
beforeitsnews.com/israel/2015/03/interview-ark-of-covenant-was-flown-to-israel-who-paid-42-million-for-its-return-2449700.html
Disciple4life.
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Post by boraddict on Jan 8, 2018 2:44:15 GMT -6
Additionally, why "four young men" meaning four angels in the cave? There is no scriptural support for sending four angels other than in the Book of Revelation. I think when Lord Jesus arose in the cave there were two angels, and likewise on the Mt. of transfiguration; otherwise, it is one angel.
Were four angels needed to lift the mercy seat? After all it was solid gold. I think one angel is enough to deliver a message and lift the mercy seat.
It makes more sense for these four to simply be young men. If that were the case, then where is the testimony of the four young men. I believe that Ron said he was the only one allowed in the cave. How were all others restricted, especially government authorities?
Ron was a brilliant man; however, these questions should have been addressed with bold neon signs.
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Post by witness1 on Jan 8, 2018 8:01:18 GMT -6
Those are some good points! And I’m not saying I believe this... I’m looking for evidence one way or the other. I WANT it to be true because wow that would be amazing, but I am skeptical at this point. Just playing devil’s advocate with what I know.
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Believers are believers, period! Doesn't matter where they come from, what their heritage is, what language they speak or what color there skin is. We are all in Christ together, as equal heirs of the eternal inheritance, I concur with a hearty AMEN!
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