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Post by cwood85 on Dec 11, 2018 13:08:11 GMT -6
What happens if the ark is found or the significance of it?
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Post by cwood85 on Dec 11, 2018 9:19:17 GMT -6
I understand what you are saying. My oldest daughter is a vegan... not only is she vegan but I call her militant vegan. She leads a group in the Houston/Galveston area called Voice for the Voiceless. Although I commend her compassion, I feel it is misguided as we have had many deep discussions on Romans 1 etc (loving the creation more than loving God). I have made several comments about her group being the 1st ones to protest the sacrifices once they begin because of them being barbaric. I get that all of that... I have tried to guide her in the direction that we no longer need atonement for sin through the blood of bulls & goats & that Jesus was the once & for all sacrifice. (Hebrews 9 & 10). The group claim is that it is cruel to the animals. I see it more of an opportunity to talk about our once & for all final sacrifice... our beloved hope we have in Jesus Christ. I do support this but only in my limited understanding that God knows the end from the beginning and declared that these things would happen & therefor I look for His imminent return as we watch these things taking place. I guess my question(s) would be: Should we be trying to stop these sacrifices? Would we be joining those aligned with the antichrist if we did?
Great questions bondservant because much of Christianity today has made this pretty unclear or are in full support of the temple, sacrifices, and judaism to the point of supporting it monetarily. Whole churches and congregations do this. Shame on them because they do it believing this will also bring Jesus back again and that this is the temple He will reside in once he returns. To clarify whether this would be antichrist or not to try and stop or be unsupportive of physical sacrifices and temple, lets look at what John defines as antichrist in 1 John:
"3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."
18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
Second John:
7 I say this because many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
Strongs definition: 500 antíxristos (from 473 /antí, "opposite to, in place of" and 5547 /Xristós, "Christ") – properly, opposite to Christ; someone acting in place of (against) Christ; "Antichrist." Those of the Sanhedrin, religion of Judaism, and those in support of it are
-Claiming to be or acknowledging/supporting that Judaism, Jews, Jerusalem, and the entire nation of Israel are the true light of the world because they only know the true way to God.
-The light of the nations
-That all nations will learn and accept that they are the true light and way to God
-They are the only way to the Messiah and are responsible for ushering him in
So is it antichrist to support this or condone it and not support it? By the definition John gives above, the answer should be clear.
It is not just the religion of Judaism that is claiming to know the way to save and help the world and are the true ones and ways of God, while the RCC claims God submits to the Popes because they are direct descendants of Christ and their ways are so holy and good. Judaism is trying to replace Christ and the RCC is claiming to be Christ. Both religions are antichrist and blasphemy of the true Lord and Savior.
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Post by cwood85 on Dec 10, 2018 13:26:43 GMT -6
Thanks, bondservant. I think I read on the Temple Institute site that they claim the location of the ark is known but they aren't revealing the location. A group of us from church get together once a month for a Prophecy Study Group & the last one we did was on the location of the Ark. At the end we all voted and it ended up in a tie between the Church in Africa being talked about now: www.foxnews.com/science/sorry-indiana-jones-the-ark-of-the-covenant-is-not-inside-this-ethiopian-church(what if the 1 on display was a decoy?) & www.arkdiscovery.com/aoc-1.htm(interesting theory about the blood of Jesus actually dripping onto the mercy seat)...things that make you go hmmmmm. ^^^ I have never understood the significance of this happening or where this theory originated from. Just always seemed a bit odd to me I guess.
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Post by cwood85 on Dec 10, 2018 12:42:04 GMT -6
I am on the road again today so this won’t be as long or as detailed as I wish it could be. The above video what is posted in the comments section of Gary’s latest article. Honestly, when the news first broke regarding the altar dedication for the third temple on the last day of Hanukkah, I really didn’t give that much attention to it at the time. There was a Breaking Israel News article last week, and three things really stood out to me after re-reading it today. 1. It talks about shining this new light to all the nations. Sadly, they missed the true light of the world, our Savior Jesus, 2000 years ago. 2. They will either slaughter a lamb or use pre-ready meat, along with other offerings. Either way, they already have the permit to do a live animal sacrifice. 3. Lastly, the article states the Sanhedrin want for a “religious-based” replacement to the united nations. After watching the attached video, I reread Daniel 9, Daniel 13, Mark 13 and second Thes 2:3-4 again. I, and I’m sure many others, have always associated the covenant with many as a seven year peace treaty, but does Scripture clearly state that? No it does not. The type of covenant with many in Daniel is a specific blood/sacrifice covenant that puts an end to sacrifice. I can only think of one once and for all sacrifice that did that It is not the popular opinion, but that is what it says:
"27And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week,f but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation,g until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.” - NIV
"And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator.” -ESV
"And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." -NASB
"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Jesus said that when they say peace and safety, then suddenly destruction comes upon them. Is it clear in scripture that the man of lawlessness is revealed at the beyond the 7 year covenant? 2 Thes. makes it sound like the man of lawlessness is revealed when he declares himself to be god in the temples. 1Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come (notice this does not say rapture or harpazo, but Day of the Lord). 3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple (naos: a temple, a shrine, that part of the temple where God himself resides. Divine Holy temple of God, not a physical building. There is another word in the greek when referencing the physical temple and it is not used here or in the temple described in Revelation. God does not reside in Jewish temples or alters. We are the temple of God.) of God, displaying himself as being God.
Just some things to ponder on in regards to the above information and pointed out sad situation of doing physical sacrifices and how many are supportinging this, including many many in Christianity. I hold a pre-Trib viewpoint, and this video really has me thinking this morning.
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Post by cwood85 on Dec 10, 2018 9:09:41 GMT -6
boraddict says: First off I want to clarify that me analyzing this the way I am going to below, is not picking on you. I am no expert on this but there are things being suggested in this thread as matter of fact and some of it is a little alarming in regards to no other scriptures are being used to back up these suggestions and similar. Tone cannot be conveyed via text and all is being written in a friendly manner and to get some serious questioning and thinking to hopefully occur. My responses, questions, and etc. are in color. 3) Verse 20:6 is a great find and I am surprised to see it in the context of the two raptures in Chapter 12 as you have used it. However, this verses seems to state the first resurrection in contrast to the second that is 1,000 years later. That the first resurrection is a resurrection of the dead in which the dead will not die a second death. In contrast, those of the second resurrection have a second death that is the spiritual death of not being with God for ever. Alright so help me out here on this. With the way you have broken things down, there will be two raptures and two resurrections? Why? What purpose does this serve? where else in scripture is this stated? Thus, those of the first resurrection are priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for 1,000 years. That is, those of the first resurrection (not rapture So if it is not the rapture, than where do those in the rapture go while the first resurrection happens and those people reign with Jesus? Do they hang out somewhere else during this thousand years? Why wouldn't they also reign with Christ if they were raptured?) will live with God forever (no second death) and they are priests of God for the 1,000 year period of time. The priests are of the tribe of Ephraim that is the church ( Where is it said Ephraim is the church and why?); not Judah exclusively. That is, the priests are right here and right now learning and building their testimonies. It is they who will be called on the first rapture to do a work and the first resurrection is a part of that work. However, I do not know where in time the first resurrection takes place. According to Chapter 11, it begins when the two witnesses are called back to their bodies. 4) I think you are showing that the ruler of the kings of the earth is the Savior. Thus, the kings of the earth in the BoR are the priests who live on earth for the 1,000 years. Verse 7:15 shows that they will work in the temple among other things. ( Why exclusively kings? Kings and the church/Ephraim or Judah? Why would God exclusively pick the two? Why a physical temple or ark of the covenant? What purpose would this serve when the entire new testament states the complete opposite on Gods views of physical temples and actions. The ark of the covenant in the BoR is not the physical ark. The ark is where the law was kept and was a physical representation of Gods law that he has placed in our hearts. Why would a physical ark have any relevance on anything in regards to being significant?)5) I agree that the BoR is about redemption and victory through Christ. However, those who will not join that group will be removed from the earth. ( Which group and before, during, or after the thousand year reign?)In conclusion, it appears to me that two raptures exist as evidenced in Chapter 12. ( The woman in chapter 12 is the same woman, she is not two separate women in two seperate things raptures) Additionally, two resurrections exist. One of these resurrections take place somewhere during the two raptures, and the second resurrection is 1,000 years later. During that 1,000 years, the priests of God that are the kings of the earth work in the temple among other things. These kings of the earth are not the tribe of Judah exclusively but of all 12 tribes which are denoted as Ephraim; the tribe of adoption. That is, all 12 tribes as well as all people of the earth are adopted into the tribe of Ephraim and this is the church. Whereas, the tribe of Judah is the kingship tribe from which kings of the kingdom are derived. Thus, Ephraim is presided over by a king of Judah. Thus, the king of Judah is a priest of Ephraim. ( Help me out with these last few sentences as well with scriptures because I am not seeing or am missing this in the book of revelation.)
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Post by cwood85 on Dec 9, 2018 23:46:56 GMT -6
Natalie is making a good point on what she is suggesting. You cannot complete a puzzle with only one piece or have 10 of something and call it a dozen.
I will make a few suggestion with the BoR, one read this verse right here:
“1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
There are a lot of translations that do not include that word signified in them and the KJV actually got it right. Even though it is in the original Greek. It means to SYMBOLIZE.
The book of Revelation is not entirely yet to happen as future because:
”19Write the things which thou hast seen (has already witnessed/seen/happen), and the things which are (currently seeing/witnessing/happening) and the things which shall be hereafter (will witness/see/happen);
suggestion number 2: The word PROPHECY is always always looked at as meaning future events only, but that is not the entire meaning at all. From Strong’s:
-the gift of communicating and enforcing revealed truth.
Not revealed future or future only events, but truth.
As as far as the 2 rapture/resurrection, this seems pretty clear and also who the priest in the thousand reign are:
20:6Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the FIRST resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
who are the priest during the thousand year Kingdom:
1:5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood— 6and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
The BoR is not about the total annihilation/destruction of mankind, it is about our redemption and victory through Jesus Christ and how that is going to be accomplished.
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Post by cwood85 on Dec 7, 2018 11:39:28 GMT -6
Amen!!!!!!!
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Post by cwood85 on Dec 7, 2018 11:27:16 GMT -6
Hello cwoods, when I wrote my blog on Babylon I understood Rev. 17:18 to be the Angel telling John to not forget (remember) what he saw (his vision) which was "that great city", speaking of Babylon, and I like many others assumed it meant Rome until I was led in another direction. WHAT DID HE SEE ? Verses 3-6 is the vision in total, and John was shown FOUR DESCRIPTORS that described the Woman. Mystery, BABYLON THE GREAT, Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth. These are what describes her. She was a Mystery, but as we see in verse 7 the Angels says he's about to explain the mystery unto us. Then Babylon the Great describes her running partner throughout history, the Kings/Rulers/Governments. She (False Religion) flourished in Babylon, there were 100's of gods and demi-god's in Babylon, Nimrod married his mother Semiramis, he was killed by Shem a man of God. Semiramis then stated she came from the moon as a virgin, had a son named Tammuz who came from the Sun rays, thus everyone of these false religions if you notice mimic the Virgin birth of Jesus, Satan knew there would have to be a virgin birth to purge us from our sins, its pointed out in Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. So that is why we have all the fake false gods set up with virgin births. This is the "MYSTERY RELIGION" that went underground because of Shem who threatened to wipe them out. Now that we know what the MYSTERY RELIGION was/is. This is how it was created/brought forth. But alas, this Mystery Religion spread amongst all the ancient empires of Babylon, Egypt, Persia, Greece and Rome, this is what Paganism is. The stories may change, the name of the gods may change, but there are ALWAYS THREE CENTRAL FIGURES with a very specific structure. The Father god who is the Sun-god. The Mother god who is the Moon-goddess. The Son of god who is the Sun-god REBORN. Babylon had Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tammuz. Egypt had Ra, Isis and Horus. Greece had Zeus, Artemis and Adonis Rome had Jupiter, Dianna and Apollo. The Nordic's had Odin, Joro and Thor. The Hindu's had Vishnu, Chandra and Krishna Satan seeks to confuse and deceive of course. He knew the SEED would bruise his heel (Die and be Resurrected) and thus bruise the Serpent's head. So he knew there had to be a Virgin Birth and a death and resurrection to take away the sins of all mankind, so he set out to copy/imitate and deceive the masses with his MYSTERY RELIGION or with ALL FALSE RELIGION worldwide. So MYSTERY...........Babylon the Great.............Mother of Harlots.............Abominations of the Earth........all describe and explain one thing, False Religion. The Harlor Woman is False Religion, these are her four descriptors, she was a Mystery, associated with Babylon per her origins as we see above, she was the Mother of all False Religions as we see above, how the other false gods all "copied amd mimicked her" and of course serving false gods is an Abomination unto God, because he is a jealous God. These four descriptions describe FALSE RELIGION the Harlot Religion that co-mingles with the Babylon type governments down through the ages. One is Religious in Nature, the other is Civil Governance in nature, both are of Satan in that men and women serve not the true God but this evil world. I see what you are saying above in a sense. However I am going to take this one step further and much deeper because it goes far beyond particular gods/religions and their beginnings and creation by man. There is more of a root evil and abomination than it simply being false religion and this is the main thing that MB represents and why in particular she has such influence on kings, governments, and of those in power.
Yes a very large part if it is certainly any and all false religion. These are an abomination to God indeed, but the bigger and deeper abomination that drives pretty much all of this has it's roots all the way to Adam and Eve. What is the root mindset of all false and pagan religions, the drive, the why, the influence and domination that usually comes about from it? It is the root of all evil and is described here: "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go into destruction." Pride which is the root of many many evils, is the beast that was, is not, and is about to come out and go into destruction. Pride is not a physical thing, but has always been here (was) and will continue to come until God in His truth and glory reveals He is the only way, the truth and the light and leads it to it's destruction.
What do 99% of false religions base themselves on? Works of humans and their ability to keep up with the rules, the works, the list, the prayers, the mindset, the domination, the control, and the fear. Worship the false god this many times a day or you are not worthy, say these particular prayers and chants, or you will fail and face eternal damnation and so on, don't touch pork or you will be banished from paradise. All based on MANS ability to keep up and be "perfect & saved" in their false religion. Even the making of physical idols/gods are from pride. Look at what WE made to worship! Look at this beautiful statue, WE created with our own hands to pray and give gifts to. It wasn't so much that Nimrod created false religion to be the root of MB and all false religions, it was his mindset, which was all about him and his power, glory, and might. It is clarified here "13These have one mind, and they shall give up their power and authority to the beast." that the mindset of pride and man's abilities of themselves rules over and controls them. This is no different today and we see it all the time.
"The Father god who is the Sun-god.
The Mother god who is the Moon-goddess.
The Son of god who is the Sun-god REBORN.
Babylon had Nimrod, Semiramis, and Tammuz.
Egypt had Ra, Isis and Horus.
Greece had Zeus, Artemis and Adonis
Rome had Jupiter, Dianna and Apollo.
The Nordic's had Odin, Joro and Thor.
The Hindu's had Vishnu, Chandra and Krishna
Satan seeks to confuse and deceive of course."
^^^ The similarities here are yes certainly a deception, but also a mockery to the true Christ that was to come. Remember during many of these points in history, God had not revealed himself to much of the world. The children of Israel who were rescued from Egypt were to show the world the true and living God. God rained down plague after plague upon Egypt and at the same time hardened Pharaoh's heart so he would continue to disobey and be stubborn so God could continue to plague Egypt. Had he not hardened Pharaoh's heart, the Pharaoh would have given in much sooner. God purpose of this was to reveal himself to the world by bringing Egypt to its knees and rescuing the Israelites from their bondage. Egypt was the uber example and hub at that time of Human works to create false gods, practices, and abilities of themselves. And like majority of false religions their pagan gods demanded various works and practices for them to achieve higher and better types of paradise once they died. They were vain and proud of their accomplishments towards the gods they created and worshiped and used this as a means to control others through their pagan worship. Both are HARLOTS unto God, but THE HARLOT is All False Religion, and Babylon is All False Governance. Both can be and are AGAINST God Almighty. The Harlot rides the Beast. They are both profane in every instance, yet one is the Beast and the other is the Harlot. One is killed off by the other (see Rev. 17:16). Have you ever thought why we get a False Prophet ? He's a RELIGIOUS BEAST over Religion, no Islam will be allowed, no Hinduism or Buddhism will be allowed, no Judaism or Christianity, ALL PEOPLE must serve the Beast or else. So throughout the ages, for the most part these Government Beasts always allowed the locals to serve their own gods as long as he obeyed the Government Beasts (Rome/Greece/Babylon). But here in the end times, we also get a Religious Beast which will mandate the worship of the Anti-Christ. ^^^^This may be where we agree to disagree in the above paragraph. It is not particular religions that will not be allowed or taken over and no new dominating religion is going to be created for all to worship. The beast is not a physical man, but a mindset as I described above. There is not going to be a worldwide dominating evil religion. With the Romans, Greeks, and Persians, individual worship was often NOT allowed. All three of these kingdoms demanded worship of their rulers as many of them believed themselves to be godlike. The book of Daniel is good example of this and how it varied with different rulers. At some points people could worship whatever god they chose, or if the king demanded worship of himself, then the people had to worship him or die/face the consequences. Greece and Rome did the same. That was the whole reason many of the apostles and newer Christians were killed, because they would not worship and bow down to the Roman Emperor. Because at the end of chapter 17, we do not see a one world evil religion take over, but the Lamb and His are victorious:
14These (MB & kingdoms) will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those with Him are called and chosen and faithful.”
15And he says to me, “The waters that you saw where the prostitute sits are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues. 16And the ten horns that you saw, and the beast, these will hate the prostitute, and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh, and will burn her with fire. 17For God has put into their hearts to accomplish His purpose, and to do one purpose, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled. 18And the woman whom you saw is the great city, having kingship over the kings of the earth.”
The ten horns/kings on the beast and MB make war with the Lamb on a continual basis. This has been ongoing for the last 2000 years. We also see this is to accomplish the purpose of God, not the anti christ or Satan desires. That is very clear above. Those under the control and burden of false religion, idols, will come to understand the truth instead, that Jesus is the living waters of life and the only way which is why the blood of the Lamb overcomes.
We are seeing this happen right now and are in amazing times to be alive. God is revealing MB and making her naked (exposed) right now. The pedophillia of the RCC priest is just a part of MB. Lets ask ourselves though, that while yes God is revealing the evils happening behind closed doors from those who by mans standards and rules are "most holy" and supposedly directly ordained by Christ himself to be in the high positions of the RCC, what is he really revealing here? Man's ways fail. Man's religions, pride, and arrogance fail and produce evil. We are fallen and He is shining the light on the failure of our reliance and pride in our works to achieve salvation and holiness. Praise God for his light and truth! The response? People in droves are going away from the RCC. People are seeing the darkness and deception there. God is opening their eyes to its falseness and paganism. This is the nakedness of MB, being exposed! There are many many other evils of mankind being brought to light besides the RCC.
We will continue to see more and more of this. Understanding the pride tied in all of this, opens up discernment and understanding of the chronological order of not only Revelation, but many many areas of the bible. The idol worship of Israel, the priest hiding behind closed doors doing their evil deeds thinking they could get away from it, the pharisees and sadducees being hypocrites all comes down to one thing, our trust and faith in ourselves and our abilities, not Gods. I don't think The Harlot is the RCC per se, I do agree there are false Christian Churches that are a part of the Harlot, but the Church of England also tortured people in days gone by, I think these had more to do with some Churches getting too close to the Government(s). But of course there are false Christian Churches, and many individuals in the RCC who are evil, but their congregation are IMHO, Christian people like the rest of us who profess Jesus as Lord and Savior. So I don't lump them in with those others. Rome received the Mortal Wound, she went from a Beast to a conveyor belt of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The Pax-Romanus was the perfect conveyor belt for the Gospel, all roads lead to Rome and the all/most subjects spoke Koine Greek. Think about it and when your computer is charged get back, I enjoy uplifting brothers and sisters and bouncing these Revelation understandings around. God Bless. Hi Ron, Thank you for your replies. I did not have time yesterday to respond to this post of yours. My replies are directly in the quotes above in color.
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Post by cwood85 on Dec 7, 2018 6:23:34 GMT -6
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Post by cwood85 on Dec 6, 2018 21:55:23 GMT -6
OThe Harlot is destroyed because the Beasts doesn't want to share his glory with any other religions. (I disagree here because the Harlot sitting on the beast is showing her dominion, control, and influence on the beast she is riding. I do not see in scriptures where the beast doesn’t to share glory. The word used for sitting in Greek is interesting and the only time used the way it is in this verse and along with sitting it means enthroned, to dwell or reside in.) more that she Before Satan only desired to confuse the masses, now he desires the worship of one man who is like unto him. The 1/3 of all men he slays will be mostly Islamic peoples (please back statements like this with scriptures if you know of them. Also what leads you to this conclusion? Asking with genuine curiosity. I am not aware of any related verses and I regularly study and research Revelation. Not an expert by any means.), the Christians will have been Raptured already. This man (who is this man, the beast?)knows the Islamists will not worship him as god, thus he's going to wipe them out and bring the to heel. This is God's Judgment on False Religion, the Harlot.
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Post by cwood85 on Dec 6, 2018 15:10:04 GMT -6
The areas that I have bolded are statements/thoughts that I think needs a little more clarification. Here are verses ch. 17 in Revelation in regards to your statements above. In regards to the statement of the woman being the harlot but not Babylon: 3And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness; and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns. 4The woman was clothed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a gold cup full of abominations and of the unclean things of her immorality, 5and on her forehead a name was written, a mystery, “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” 6And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus.
Anytime in scriptures when a name is mentioned to be on the forehead, that is an identifying name of whoever's forehead the name is on. Babylon is the harlot. They are the same. Harlots are immoral. It is also clarified who destroys Babylon later in this chapter: 15And he said to me, “The waters which you saw where the harlot sits, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues. 16“And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire. >>> As we can see, the beast and the ten horns (kings) will make her desolate (destroy) and naked by exposing her falseness, lies, and evils. Her deceit of the nations and earth will be brought to light. Now it also says that they are all of one mind in this process and later in chapter 18 it goes into more detail. Onto chapter 18 1After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illumined with his glory. 2And he cried out with a mighty voice, saying, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird. 3“For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the passion of her immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed acts of immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich by the wealth of her sensuality.” <<< The words passion, immorality and sensuality are words used to describe a harlot. Babylon is referenced to as a she. I do agree that Babylon is not only false religion, but most religions, even some that claim to be of Christianity. Such as denominations that teach salvation by works, prosperity churches, salvation through the church or similar, and pretty much any religion that leads people astray. The rise of Satanism, Free Masons, Illuminati, Roman Catholics and all those related with their evils being exposed left and right are all part of Mystery Babylon and her demise.
My computer is dying and I will post more on this shortly once it is charged. Plugged in now and continuing on Ron says "The reason the Harlot is killed off in Rev. 17:16 is because she is no longer needed. Now the Beast demands to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD !!" <<< I need help with this statement here please. The Harlot is destroyed because the truth of her is revealed and this is why she is hated by the ten kings. This is not a one moment in time process, but has been ongoing throughout history. Look at the crusades and severe persecution that has happened over the last 2000 years and is still happening today. The cruel and brutal way most of the apostles were killed (that is pointed out in vs. 20 below). Almost all of this is and has been done in the name of some form of religion. Kings and churches worked together in collecting taxes and ensuring dominion and control over the people of that kingdom under the name of God. It was downright brutal and all done in the name of religion under God and Jesus (Catholic and similar during the crusades and ext.). Where does it say the beast demands to be worshiped as a God? How else do we know this has been an ongoing process and will soon come to an end? 20“Rejoice over her, O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, because God has pronounced judgment for you against her.”21Then a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer. 22“And the sound of harpists and musicians and flute-players and trumpeters will not be heard in you any longer; and no craftsman of any craft will be found in you any longer; and the sound of a mill will not be heard in you any longer; 23and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery. 24“And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints and of all who have been slain on the earth.” <<< These last couple of verses here also point out that the church was/is also under the influence and evils of MB.
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Post by cwood85 on Dec 6, 2018 9:06:12 GMT -6
The age of accountability used to stress me out greatly. I am not sure where exactly the idea of this came about, and feel it leads to unnecessary worry and anxiety. I know there is mention of it in the OT, but that was for age maturity for priestly service, not salvation. The two are often confused and linked together, when there is no such link or relation whatsoever. I used to worry terribly about my son, who is now 6 and he has absolutely no interest in praying, reading from the bible, and thinks it is all rather boring lol. I do not worry about that anymore and here are some verses for comfort, because God has a plan for all and we are to trust and rest in Him. We cannot save someone, are not responsible, nor convince them like a sales pitch and here are scriptures to back this up: "12But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. 14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. 15Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. 16For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?" 17Only, as the Lord has assigned to each one, as God has called each, in this manner let him walk. - 1 Cor. 7:12-17"No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.- John 6:4465And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”- John 6:6510For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.Hope these are helpful
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Post by cwood85 on Nov 30, 2018 14:47:01 GMT -6
Two articles on the same day revolving around the power of priest.
One about Jewish Priest and the importance of having a physical third temple and having physical sacrifices will bring the light of God to the world. Now the Vatican priest claiming to be bigger than God himself and bringing Christ down from heaven because of their holiness.
Both of this on the same day. No coincidences here with two blasphemous religions making such claims of pride and arrogance completely side stepping and exalting themselves above Christ.
1Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
Quotes from these articles today:
"The declaration is intended as an invitation to the nations to participate in the Temple and to receive its blessings."
"All of humanity needs to prepare for the day that the Lord will reign in Zion, when they too will make pilgrimage to Jerusalem to take their part in the Temple service."
"The priest speaks and lo! Christ the Eternal and Omnipotent God, bows His head in humble obedience to the priest’s command."
^^^^ That last quote is from the Vatican article and it about made me ill.
Every one that is proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD: though hand join in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
-Proverbs 16:5
"...Proud," "Haughty," "Scoffer," are his names, Who acts with insolent pride."
-Proverbs 21:23
Wisdom in the book of Proverbs is referred to as a she as a metaphorical description. I think the man of lawlessness is possible of the same use of language and writing.
20Wisdom shouts in the street,
She lifts her voice in the square;
21At the head of the noisy streets she cries out;
At the entrance of the gates in the city she utters her sayings:
22“How long, O naive ones, will you love being simple-minded?
And scoffers delight themselves in scoffing
And fools hate knowledge?
23“Turn to my reproof,
Behold, I will pour out my spirit on you;
I will make my words known to you.
Pride is described as a male or the masculine form of speech.
Just some thoughts to ponder on...
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Post by cwood85 on Nov 30, 2018 11:30:59 GMT -6
I read the article as well and was floored at some of the statements and comments. Your thread here is very good. Important numbers are being shown and used here (70 Nations) to grab the attention of those paying attention.
We will be with our Lord and Saviour of the world very soon <3
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Post by cwood85 on Nov 29, 2018 20:41:41 GMT -6
God knows our heart and that is more important and meaningful. If we take a pagan holiday and turn it around to make Christ the celebration instead, that is meaningful to God. Christmas as Christ birthday is not concrete, but taking an entire season of the year for those who whole heartedly put him at the center is not celebrating the possible Catholic or pagan roots.
When songs like this are created and sung so beautifully (Nat King Cole is one of my absolute favorite singers of this song) even if we have been deceived on the wrong birthdate for Christ we get to enjoy songs like this:
O Holy Night The stars are brightly shining It is the night of our dear Savior's birth Long lay the world in sin and error pining 'Til He appeared and the soul felt its worth A thrill of hope a weary world rejoices For yonder breaks a new and glorious morn Chorus: Fall on your knees, O hear the angel voices O night divine, O night when Christ was born O night divine, O night, O night divine Verse 2: Truly He taught us to love one another His law is love and His gospel is peace Chains shall He break for the slave is our brother And in His name all oppression shall cease Sweet hymns of joy in grateful chorus raise we Let all within us praise His holy name Bridge: O night divine, O night divine When love arrived, O holy night
I hope and believe Christ enjoys songs like this about him ❤️
It’s the heart of the matter that matters.
“4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
6If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, a you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.”
-1 Tim. 4:4-6
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