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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Aug 23, 2017 8:05:27 GMT -6
delo, yes, I often think vs 3-4 is in reference to an event on earth. I know, I know, john is viewing in the heavens. Yet didn't he still see events on earth thru out the Book of Rev while up there? There must be some key element in the original writings to unlock this detail... I agree with tiffany too, how brilliant ys, ew et al are in presenting some ways of interpreting this dragon stuff. To me this keeps us in His Word
On the front page article Child in Rev 12, gary had this on the criteria for the Rev 12 signs: 7. The child is in imminent danger from satan's world system.
Satan's world system is a great summary of this part of vs 3: "and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads." kjv
I am repeating myself from pages back in this thread. All of you are demonstrating that you are not date setting, but viewing this as a warning or something of significance. Its unfortunate that some think all this talk IS date-setting.
Here is another reminder: the Peace gathering on Sept 21st...what heads of state will be there?, and what time zone? seems awfully close to Sept 22..my computer is cramping, must reboot..
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Post by delo63 on Aug 23, 2017 9:43:55 GMT -6
Another thing I thought was since John was in Israel and all prophecies usually have something to do with Israel. Could the dragon be an attack on Israel, the dragon could be a nuke with plains and bombers or something. Just spit balling.
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Post by cshaffer on Aug 23, 2017 10:03:09 GMT -6
Not sure if anyone already said this but....
On Stellarium, for 9/23 there is a star right in front of the woman. Its name is Arcturus which is called the red giant star. It is one of the brightest stars seen from earth and in the
constellation Bootes (the Herdsman). Comes from Ancient Greek "Arktouros" and means Bear Guard or The Watcher of the Bear. In Chinese it is known as "Ta-Kio" which means
the Great Horn. It appears to shine 113 times more bright than the sun. It has a lower temperature than the sun, but alot of its energy is radiated as heat. It releases 215 times more
radiation than the sun. It is considered a red giant. It stopped fusing hydrogen and now fuses Carbon. It is magnetically active and found in the bible in KJV Job 38:32.
What does all this mean??? I have no idea but I found it fascinating!
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Post by yardstick on Aug 23, 2017 10:06:17 GMT -6
Not sure if anyone already said this but.... On Stellarium, for 9/23 there is a star right in front of the woman. Its name is Arcturus which is called the red giant star. It is one of the brightest stars seen from earth and in the constellation Bootes (the Herdsman). Comes from Ancient Greek "Arktouros" and means Bear Guard or The Watcher of the Bear. In Chinese it is known as "Ta-Kio" which means the Great Horn. It appears to shine 113 times more bright than the sun. It has a lower temperature than the sun, but alot of its energy is radiated as heat. It releases 215 times more radiation than the sun. It is considered a red giant. It stopped fusing hydrogen and now fuses Carbon. It is magnetically active and found in the bible in KJV Job 38:32. What does all this mean??? I have no idea but I found it fascinating! Interesting... Here is some more info about Arcturus: www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Stars_alphabet.htmKeep in mind, additional information may be derived by looking at the other stars that make up Bootes: www.constellationsofwords.com/Constellations/Bootes.html |
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Post by brad on Aug 23, 2017 13:04:46 GMT -6
So is it like this parable, how the kingdom of Heaven is like the owner of the vineyard and his vineyard... how 9-22-17 at exactly 11:01:01 PM (two elevens)... ugh, my brain hurts trying to get across right to see if I am understanding properly!!! But; that time, is exactly the eleventh hour? But because two elevens the very end of the eleventh hour? And maybe up until that exact moment we can still turn to Jesus, go to His Vineyard (Heaven) with Him and work, receive what is "right" (which, I don't really care and all that matters to me is belonging to Him; that in and of itself is such a HUGE REWARD that words can't say how wonderful it is as I, and none of us, deserve it). Kind of, that is THE END of The Age of Grace and the very second after starts the next dispensation, The Tribulation (70th Week, Time of Jacob's Trouble)? Am I thinking correctly along the lines of what you all are talking about? Or am I completely off base? Edit: And I forgot the dragon. So also... at that moment or the very second after that moment is when the dragon will be cast down, sweeping his tail to take the 1/3 of the stars that are visible/under the horizon? Kind of... we go up and the second after the devil is cast down, or vice versa, or at the same time? Yes tiffanybw, you got it! Thought the parable of the vineyard might be a hint on timing of the Rapture... 11th hour and 1 minute... still time to get on board... 1 second later... it's too late. Also since this is the precise time of the equinox when the Sun is precisely aligned... I thing there might be an additional hint here: Mathew 24:26 26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. |
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Post by tiffanybw on Aug 23, 2017 13:21:59 GMT -6
So is it like this parable, how the kingdom of Heaven is like the owner of the vineyard and his vineyard... how 9-22-17 at exactly 11:01:01 PM (two elevens)... ugh, my brain hurts trying to get across right to see if I am understanding properly!!! But; that time, is exactly the eleventh hour? But because two elevens the very end of the eleventh hour? And maybe up until that exact moment we can still turn to Jesus, go to His Vineyard (Heaven) with Him and work, receive what is "right" (which, I don't really care and all that matters to me is belonging to Him; that in and of itself is such a HUGE REWARD that words can't say how wonderful it is as I, and none of us, deserve it). Kind of, that is THE END of The Age of Grace and the very second after starts the next dispensation, The Tribulation (70th Week, Time of Jacob's Trouble)? Am I thinking correctly along the lines of what you all are talking about? Or am I completely off base? Edit: And I forgot the dragon. So also... at that moment or the very second after that moment is when the dragon will be cast down, sweeping his tail to take the 1/3 of the stars that are visible/under the horizon? Kind of... we go up and the second after the devil is cast down, or vice versa, or at the same time? Yes tiffanybw, you got it! Thought the parable of the vineyard might be a hint on timing of the Rapture... 11th hour and 1 minute... still time to get on board... 1 second later... it's too late. Also since this is the precise time of the equinox when the Sun is precisely aligned... I thing there might be an additional hint here: Mathew 24:26 26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. In the twinkling of an eye! He is so amazing! 1 Corinthians 15:49-55 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
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Post by brad on Aug 23, 2017 13:30:45 GMT -6
Amen Sister tiffanybw!
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Post by MissusMack08 on Aug 23, 2017 17:06:42 GMT -6
The good thing is that there are some good theories out there, and we each favor one or the other for good reasons! The Dragon sign is not a deal breaker in the sense that the Woman in Labor is.....we are looking at the same place at the same time roughly....it is a confirming sign. I think it is John's way of telling us that we are indeed looking in the right place at the right time....he is directing us to look at a specific section of the heavens at a specific time, and so with a good Dragon, whichever one it is, we can be assured that yes, we are not off our rockers. I used to believe that the rev 12:3-4 sign was a confirming sign for Rev 12:1-2, but then I realized something: The Rev 12:1-2 sign is a one-in-a-million (ok, one-in-7000) situation. It never happens more than once in 7000 years. With such rarity, why would we need a confirming sign? Wouldn't the rarity be enough to distinguish this sign as a 'great sign'? So right now I am pondering: What if this sign is the warning that the Dragon is about to get thrown down to earth; or what if it is an identifying sign or what if it is some warning as to who the Dragon is; or what if it is a sign related to the Dragon and not something else? What if it is not to confirm the other sign? These are essentially my thoughts spread throughout this post, with my questions of "Why the Dragon?" And with whoever it was (was it Brad? Gary?) who did the math to say the woman sign is a once in 7.76 billion year sign statistically speaking, for the dragon to be a confirming sign of the woman sign doesn't make sense to me either. There's no purpose in it if that's it. So it must be to indicate something else. And with my analyzing the pregnancy term, and how Virgo appears to give birth to Jupiter 2 weeks before the Rev 12 sign itself (not that I'm setting a date) but should the rapture occur in the next two weeks, it would sure make a lot of sense! (Tomorrow is the traditional 40 week "due date" based on a Nov 17 conception...) The dragon sign would indicate the coming of the antichrist and the coming down of Satan and his army. It'd be about the coming down rather than the waiting to devour, IMHO. |
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Post by MissusMack08 on Aug 23, 2017 17:08:08 GMT -6
Those are still Draco, Bootes, and Corona Borealis. He's not saying the eclipse is now negating everything he's already taught about Draco. Rather, each part is a separate aspect of The Dragon. It's one big picture but visualized in separate smaller pictures. So the Dragon is Draco, Serpens and Hydra. The eclipse is the physical and yet still symbolic manifestation of the dragon. Like a triptych Yes!!! |
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Post by whatif on Aug 23, 2017 18:49:13 GMT -6
Welcome to the forum, cshaffer! Fascinating information about Arcturus! Thank you so much for pointing it out!
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 24, 2017 0:11:04 GMT -6
Welllllll that's something I hadn't thought of for sure, but then again, 50 isn't divisible by 3. But-- 1/3 of the land area could be destroyed, if that's what you mean.. . .
Have to chew on that one a while. . . .
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Post by yardstick on Aug 24, 2017 9:21:14 GMT -6
Hmmnnnn.... something is off here yardstick timeanddate.com shows a 12 hour, 6 minute and 32 seconds of daylight on September 23 link: www.timeanddate.com/sun/israel/jerusalem?month=9&year=2017Which is great all by itself because it's 726 minutes of daylight.... Strongs 726: Harpazo... Rapture! 9/22/2017 has 728 minutes of daylight. The exact time of the Fall equinox happens on this day (9/22/2017) at exactly 11:01:01 PM here is the link: www.drikpanchang.com/seasons/season-autumnal-equinox-timings.html?l=8456Could the timing of the equinox be leading us here.....:? Matthew 20New King James Version (NKJV) The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 Now when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, 4 and said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.’ So they went. 5 Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise. 6 And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing idle, and said to them, ‘Why have you been standing here idle all day?’ 7 They said to him, ‘Because no one hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right you will receive.’You guys are... you, yardstick, enoch walked (have seen some of his comments in the shout box)... just... REALLY smart! No way I could have thought of all of this! Still not sure I completely understand it but I feel something stirring in my spirit, like wow, and y'all are on to something! Numbers, math, and me... unfortunately I'm just not smart at all when it comes to these things, not inclined to think in those ways. Right brained I guess (isn't it right that is more emotional, more impulsive, more of all the mental side of things; and then left brain science, math, numbers, logic)? Anyways... from what I can understand... just WOAH! So is it like this parable, how the kingdom of Heaven is like the owner of the vineyard and his vineyard... how 9-22-17 at exactly 11:01:01 PM (two elevens)... ugh, my brain hurts trying to get across right to see if I am understanding properly!!! But; that time, is exactly the eleventh hour? But because two elevens the very end of the eleventh hour? And maybe up until that exact moment we can still turn to Jesus, go to His Vineyard (Heaven) with Him and work, receive what is "right" (which, I don't really care and all that matters to me is belonging to Him; that in and of itself is such a HUGE REWARD that words can't say how wonderful it is as I, and none of us, deserve it). Kind of, that is THE END of The Age of Grace and the very second after starts the next dispensation, The Tribulation (70th Week, Time of Jacob's Trouble)? Am I thinking correctly along the lines of what you all are talking about? Or am I completely off base? Edit: And I forgot the dragon. So also... at that moment or the very second after that moment is when the dragon will be cast down, sweeping his tail to take the 1/3 of the stars that are visible/under the horizon? Kind of... we go up and the second after the devil is cast down, or vice versa, or at the same time? Thank you but they are just hypotheses based upon the information available. Subject to revision or retraction if new data overwhelmingly contradicts. Also, there may be more than one fulfillment or interpretation that is also valid. |
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Post by delo63 on Aug 24, 2017 12:17:00 GMT -6
or maybe its a sign that happens in the sky near Virgo, but then also represented by a nuke or some sort of attack at the exact precise moment before or during the rapture.
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Post by brad on Aug 24, 2017 12:35:08 GMT -6
Not sure if anyone already said this but.... On Stellarium, for 9/23 there is a star right in front of the woman. Its name is Arcturus which is called the red giant star. It is one of the brightest stars seen from earth and in the constellation Bootes (the Herdsman). Comes from Ancient Greek "Arktouros" and means Bear Guard or The Watcher of the Bear. In Chinese it is known as "Ta-Kio" which means the Great Horn. It appears to shine 113 times more bright than the sun. It has a lower temperature than the sun, but alot of its energy is radiated as heat. It releases 215 times more radiation than the sun. It is considered a red giant. It stopped fusing hydrogen and now fuses Carbon. It is magnetically active and found in the bible in KJV Job 38:32. What does all this mean??? I have no idea but I found it fascinating! Hello cshaffer! I don't know much about this, but it MUST mean something if it's in Job! Any Mazzaroth experts here? Here's a screenshot though.....  |
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Post by brad on Aug 24, 2017 12:39:12 GMT -6
Another thing I thought was since John was in Israel and all prophecies usually have something to do with Israel. Could the dragon be an attack on Israel, the dragon could be a nuke with plains and bombers or something. Just spit balling. Like maybee the Ezekiel 38/39 scenario? Thought about this one too.... Great Spitball! Keep spitting all you want!!!!!!!! |
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