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Post by mike on Aug 21, 2017 11:03:42 GMT -6
The good thing is that there are some good theories out there, and we each favor one or the other for good reasons! The Dragon sign is not a deal breaker in the sense that the Woman in Labor is.....we are looking at the same place at the same time roughly....it is a confirming sign. I think it is John's way of telling us that we are indeed looking in the right place at the right time....he is directing us to look at a specific section of the heavens at a specific time, and so with a good Dragon, whichever one it is, we can be assured that yes, we are not off our rockers. I used to believe that the rev 12:3-4 sign was a confirming sign for Rev 12:1-2, but then I realized something: The Rev 12:1-2 sign is a one-in-a-million (ok, one-in-7000) situation. It never happens more than once in 7000 years. With such rarity, why would we need a confirming sign? Wouldn't the rarity be enough to distinguish this sign as a 'great sign'? So right now I am pondering: What if this sign is the warning that the Dragon is about to get thrown down to earth; or what if it is an identifying sign or what if it is some warning as to who the Dragon is; or what if it is a sign related to the Dragon and not something else? What if it is not to confirm the other sign? Well that certainly throws a monkey wrench into things. A warning sign to us that the dragon is cast down to earth! Whoa! |
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Post by brad on Aug 21, 2017 11:14:33 GMT -6
Yes im trying to temper my excitement. Why? I wish I knew why Im not acting like Noah or John... We know the Lord is at the door, yet my actions are more reserved than they should be. Gonna grab my tinfoil hat nowWe all fall short my brother... we will all be transformed! Made me crack up with that tinfoil hat comment... had a great visual! |
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Post by yardstick on Aug 21, 2017 11:31:00 GMT -6
Italian Joisey Mike.... Both the supernatural and traditional views are completely still on my table... getting exciting isn't it! We shall know soon enough! either way Joisey Mike... Something big this way comes! FWIW, it is not uncommon for a celestial sign to represent a supernatural one. |
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Post by gary777 on Aug 21, 2017 20:37:40 GMT -6
I used to believe that the rev 12:3-4 sign was a confirming sign for Rev 12:1-2, but then I realized something: The Rev 12:1-2 sign is a one-in-a-million (ok, one-in-7000) situation. It never happens more than once in 7000 years. With such rarity, why would we need a confirming sign? Wouldn't the rarity be enough to distinguish this sign as a 'great sign'? So right now I am pondering: What if this sign is the warning that the Dragon is about to get thrown down to earth; or what if it is an identifying sign or what if it is some warning as to who the Dragon is; or what if it is a sign related to the Dragon and not something else? What if it is not to confirm the other sign? Well that certainly throws a monkey wrench into things. A warning sign to us that the dragon is cast down to earth! Whoa! |
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Post by gary777 on Aug 21, 2017 20:42:50 GMT -6
The bottom line is the bottom line in my opinion, the dragon is coming here and I hope we are going there, if we don't make sure you have the full armor of God. Here is the quoted bottom line "
Well that certainly throws a monkey wrench into things. A warning sign to us that the dragon is cast down to earth! Whoa!" That is the sure thing the Revelation 12 sign is telling me, the details are still up for debate. Last thing on this ALL of you peeps are just plain awesome. Like Forrest Gump "That's all I got to say about that"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 21:22:08 GMT -6
The good thing is that there are some good theories out there, and we each favor one or the other for good reasons! The Dragon sign is not a deal breaker in the sense that the Woman in Labor is.....we are looking at the same place at the same time roughly....it is a confirming sign. I think it is John's way of telling us that we are indeed looking in the right place at the right time....he is directing us to look at a specific section of the heavens at a specific time, and so with a good Dragon, whichever one it is, we can be assured that yes, we are not off our rockers. I used to believe that the rev 12:3-4 sign was a confirming sign for Rev 12:1-2, but then I realized something: The Rev 12:1-2 sign is a one-in-a-million (ok, one-in-7000) situation. It never happens more than once in 7000 years. With such rarity, why would we need a confirming sign? Wouldn't the rarity be enough to distinguish this sign as a 'great sign'? So right now I am pondering: What if this sign is the warning that the Dragon is about to get thrown down to earth; or what if it is an identifying sign or what if it is some warning as to who the Dragon is; or what if it is a sign related to the Dragon and not something else? What if it is not to confirm the other sign? Good point....nevertheless, the sign of the Woman in Labor has taken a lot of flak, which will create doubt in the minds of many, so it is affirming to have another sign, which correlates to the Woman and birth, not just labor...it confirms we are on track. The Woman in Labor is unique and anchors the pair, the Dragon is important for timing around the Birth....that we have good ideas about the Dragon and Birth is a good affirmation! |
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Post by yardstick on Aug 22, 2017 0:56:40 GMT -6
EnochWalked suggested in the shoutbox that the reference to the tail of the dragon throwing 1/3 of the stars to the ground might be related to the number of stars that are covered by the horizon as the sky appears to rotate around the north pole, each 24 hours. That is, in 8 hours, 1/3 of the stars will fall below the horizon over night; thus, being 'thrown to the earth'.
He referenced a website, whose name eludes me at the moment.
Analyzing the days of each month from near Patmos' perspective (after the 8/21 eclipse), where John had his vision, gives a date in late August for such a balance of hours.
This is imho, an fantastic insight; but at the time I read it, it occurred to me to wonder about Jerusalem's perspective, since that is geographically where we and many others have been basing all of our calculations.
Analyzing the days from the perspective of Jerusalem gives an 8/16 ratio on September 23.
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Post by whatif on Aug 22, 2017 1:03:04 GMT -6
Yardstick, I can tell this is going to be fascinating! Have to hit the hay right now, but I'll look forward to learning more as you post!
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Post by yardstick on Aug 22, 2017 1:09:25 GMT -6
Yardstick, I can tell this is going to be fascinating! Have to hit the hay right now, but I'll look forward to learning more as you post! Well, it should probably be EW, since it was his idea. I just noticed something and on a hunch changed the geographic location. He would probably be better at explaining the principles. |
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Post by yardstick on Aug 22, 2017 8:09:04 GMT -6
EnochWalked suggested in the shoutbox that the reference to the tail of the dragon throwing 1/3 of the stars to the ground might be related to the number of stars that are covered by the horizon as the sky appears to rotate around the north pole, each 24 hours. That is, in 8 hours, 1/3 of the stars will fall below the horizon over night; thus, being 'thrown to the earth'. He referenced a website, whose name eludes me at the moment. Analyzing the days of each month from near Patmos' perspective (after the 8/21 eclipse), where John had his vision, gives a date in late August for such a balance of hours. This is imho, an fantastic insight; but at the time I read it, it occurred to me to wonder about Jerusalem's perspective, since that is geographically where we and many others have been basing all of our calculations. Analyzing the days from the perspective of Jerusalem gives an 8/16 ratio on September 23. Sadly, I made a mistake when looking at the website. :-( I forgot to move the date to September! :-$ When I checked September's date it shows more than 8 hours! Nevertheless, whether in Jerusalem or Patmos, 8/22 has exactly an 16 hour day: 4:41am-8:41pm |
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Post by brad on Aug 22, 2017 9:52:32 GMT -6
EnochWalked suggested in the shoutbox that the reference to the tail of the dragon throwing 1/3 of the stars to the ground might be related to the number of stars that are covered by the horizon as the sky appears to rotate around the north pole, each 24 hours. That is, in 8 hours, 1/3 of the stars will fall below the horizon over night; thus, being 'thrown to the earth'. He referenced a website, whose name eludes me at the moment. Analyzing the days of each month from near Patmos' perspective (after the 8/21 eclipse), where John had his vision, gives a date in late August for such a balance of hours. This is imho, an fantastic insight; but at the time I read it, it occurred to me to wonder about Jerusalem's perspective, since that is geographically where we and many others have been basing all of our calculations. Analyzing the days from the perspective of Jerusalem gives an 8/16 ratio on September 23. Hmmnnnn.... something is off here yardstick timeanddate.com shows a 12 hour, 6 minute and 32 seconds of daylight on September 23 link: www.timeanddate.com/sun/israel/jerusalem?month=9&year=2017Which is great all by itself because it's 726 minutes of daylight.... Strongs 726: Harpazo... Rapture! 9/22/2017 has 728 minutes of daylight. The exact time of the Fall equinox happens on this day (9/22/2017) at exactly 11:01:01 PM here is the link: www.drikpanchang.com/seasons/season-autumnal-equinox-timings.html?l=8456Could the timing of the equinox be leading us here.....:? Matthew 20New King James Version (NKJV) The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 Now when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, 4 and said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.’ So they went. 5 Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise. 6 And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing idle, and said to them, ‘Why have you been standing here idle all day?’ 7 They said to him, ‘Because no one hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right you will receive.’ |
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 22, 2017 11:23:15 GMT -6
I love that parable. One aspect of it is--right now it still isn't too late to get out there and work for the Lord.
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Post by tiffanybw on Aug 22, 2017 13:38:07 GMT -6
Nevertheless, whether in Jerusalem or Patmos, 8/22 has exactly an 16 hour day: 4:41am-8:41pm Hmmnnnn.... something is off here yardstick timeanddate.com shows a 12 hour, 6 minute and 32 seconds of daylight on September 23 link: www.timeanddate.com/sun/israel/jerusalem?month=9&year=2017Which is great all by itself because it's 726 minutes of daylight.... Strongs 726: Harpazo... Rapture! 9/22/2017 has 728 minutes of daylight. The exact time of the Fall equinox happens on this day (9/22/2017) at exactly 11:01:01 PM here is the link: www.drikpanchang.com/seasons/season-autumnal-equinox-timings.html?l=8456Could the timing of the equinox be leading us here.....:? Matthew 20New King James Version (NKJV) The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 Now when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, 4 and said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.’ So they went. 5 Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise. 6 And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing idle, and said to them, ‘Why have you been standing here idle all day?’ 7 They said to him, ‘Because no one hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right you will receive.’You guys are... you, yardstick, enoch walked (have seen some of his comments in the shout box)... just... REALLY smart! No way I could have thought of all of this! Still not sure I completely understand it but I feel something stirring in my spirit, like wow, and y'all are on to something! Numbers, math, and me... unfortunately I'm just not smart at all when it comes to these things, not inclined to think in those ways. Right brained I guess (isn't it right that is more emotional, more impulsive, more of all the mental side of things; and then left brain science, math, numbers, logic)? Anyways... from what I can understand... just WOAH! So is it like this parable, how the kingdom of Heaven is like the owner of the vineyard and his vineyard... how 9-22-17 at exactly 11:01:01 PM (two elevens)... ugh, my brain hurts trying to get across right to see if I am understanding properly!!! But; that time, is exactly the eleventh hour? But because two elevens the very end of the eleventh hour? And maybe up until that exact moment we can still turn to Jesus, go to His Vineyard (Heaven) with Him and work, receive what is "right" (which, I don't really care and all that matters to me is belonging to Him; that in and of itself is such a HUGE REWARD that words can't say how wonderful it is as I, and none of us, deserve it). Kind of, that is THE END of The Age of Grace and the very second after starts the next dispensation, The Tribulation (70th Week, Time of Jacob's Trouble)? Am I thinking correctly along the lines of what you all are talking about? Or am I completely off base? Edit: And I forgot the dragon. So also... at that moment or the very second after that moment is when the dragon will be cast down, sweeping his tail to take the 1/3 of the stars that are visible/under the horizon? Kind of... we go up and the second after the devil is cast down, or vice versa, or at the same time? |
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Post by yardstick on Aug 22, 2017 21:25:04 GMT -6
Hmmnnnn.... something is off here yardstick timeanddate.com shows a 12 hour, 6 minute and 32 seconds of daylight on September 23 link: www.timeanddate.com/sun/israel/jerusalem?month=9&year=2017Which is great all by itself because it's 726 minutes of daylight.... Strongs 726: Harpazo... Rapture! 9/22/2017 has 728 minutes of daylight. The exact time of the Fall equinox happens on this day (9/22/2017) at exactly 11:01:01 PM here is the link: www.drikpanchang.com/seasons/season-autumnal-equinox-timings.html?l=8456Could the timing of the equinox be leading us here.....:? Matthew 20New King James Version (NKJV) The Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. 2 Now when he had agreed with the laborers for a denarius a day, he sent them into his vineyard. 3 And he went out about the third hour and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, 4 and said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right I will give you.’ So they went. 5 Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise. 6 And about the eleventh hour he went out and found others standing idle, and said to them, ‘Why have you been standing here idle all day?’ 7 They said to him, ‘Because no one hired us.’ He said to them, ‘You also go into the vineyard, and whatever is right you will receive.’You guys are... you, yardstick, enoch walked (have seen some of his comments in the shout box)... just... REALLY smart! No way I could have thought of all of this! Still not sure I completely understand it but I feel something stirring in my spirit, like wow, and y'all are on to something! Numbers, math, and me... unfortunately I'm just not smart at all when it comes to these things, not inclined to think in those ways. Right brained I guess (isn't it right that is more emotional, more impulsive, more of all the mental side of things; and then left brain science, math, numbers, logic)? Anyways... from what I can understand... just WOAH! So is it like this parable, how the kingdom of Heaven is like the owner of the vineyard and his vineyard... how 9-22-17 at exactly 11:01:01 PM (two elevens)... ugh, my brain hurts trying to get across right to see if I am understanding properly!!! But; that time, is exactly the eleventh hour? But because two elevens the very end of the eleventh hour? And maybe up until that exact moment we can still turn to Jesus, go to His Vineyard (Heaven) with Him and work, receive what is "right" (which, I don't really care and all that matters to me is belonging to Him; that in and of itself is such a HUGE REWARD that words can't say how wonderful it is as I, and none of us, deserve it). Kind of, that is THE END of The Age of Grace and the very second after starts the next dispensation, The Tribulation (70th Week, Time of Jacob's Trouble)? Am I thinking correctly along the lines of what you all are talking about? Or am I completely off base? Edit: And I forgot the dragon. So also... at that moment or the very second after that moment is when the dragon will be cast down, sweeping his tail to take the 1/3 of the stars that are visible/under the horizon? Kind of... we go up and the second after the devil is cast down, or vice versa, or at the same time? I am going to respectfully suggest that 8/21 is the 11:01pm parallel, rather than 9/22, since 11/12 months ~ 11/12 hours...? |
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Post by delo63 on Aug 23, 2017 6:31:27 GMT -6
So I had a weird thought this morning while driving to work. Now im probably wrong, but what if the dragon was a nuke and the 1/3 of the stars was 1/3 of the United states being destroyed?
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