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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 10:39:45 GMT -6
Another comment about the dragon and sign being a stretch - if it were super obvious - wouldn't everyone see it? The fact is that the sign has been being talked about for years and the bulk of christianity cannot see it. This is because it is not as obvious to those who were not given eyes to see as we think it is. To those who were given eyes to see, we say, "come on, it's right there, look!" But others simply don't see it.
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Post by socalexile on Sept 19, 2017 10:44:11 GMT -6
Nevermind.
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Post by socalexile on Sept 19, 2017 10:47:47 GMT -6
The Saturn part of this is almost irrelevant. It is just frosting on top. there are videos demonstrating that it is likely a double exposure of saturn, but that is not the relevant point, socalexile . The point is something is there, is only there and looks, just a little, like the face of a red dragon. Don't get stuck on the saturn part. To answer your question - Saturn would not look like a dragon if it were there now. Instead, an image that sort of looks like a dragon was placed there. Sure, it just has to be "before" the woman - but what if God wanted it really close - like it really was trying to devour the child? I wouldn't fault him for make the picture even better than it "needs" to be. The whole sign is a stretch. We believe it and see it because God has woken us up. This part of the sign is does not seem any more of stretch than the rest of it. It's not the face of a red dragon. It's not even red, people colored it in that way. What's worse is that the Greek word "pyrrhos" can mean gold or brilliant-colored. Infrared objects don't have any color. It is literally impossible for that pic to be the authentic thing that John saw in verse 3. Plus, signs aren't for the church, they're for the unbelieving Jews. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 10:50:59 GMT -6
Good thoughts socalexile . I'll admit, it first takes seeing that we are not seeing what John saw as we have explained a couple times. We are seeing a token of it. I don't know. It changed my ideas considerably - we are now at Rev 12:1-4, instead of Rev 12:1-2. |
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Post by socalexile on Sept 19, 2017 10:59:06 GMT -6
Good thoughts socalexile . Your source scares me a little.  I think the image there now is much more representative of a dragon before the woman waiting to devour the child. I'll admit, it first takes seeing that we are not seeing what John saw as we have explained a couple times. We are seeing a token of it. I don't know. It changed my ideas considerably - we are now at Rev 12:1-4, instead of Rev 12:1-2. I'm going to be honest out of respect: I think you're trying to squeeze blood from a stone here. John described something specific IN THE HEAVENS - that picture is NOT in the heavens. It didn't exist in the heavens - it's a bad photo. BTW that red dragon pic? Isn't even from GoogleSky. They didn't cut that pic out. The pic is from an IRAS infrared photo from years ago. It's not even a picture of Saturn, where the blacked-out portion of GoogleSky is. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 11:03:58 GMT -6
It's not the face of a red dragon. It's not even red, people colored it in that way. What's worse is that the Greek word "pyrrhos" can mean gold or brilliant-colored. Infrared objects don't have any color. It is literally impossible for that pic to be the authentic thing that John saw in verse 3. Plus, signs aren't for the church, they're for the unbelieving Jews. Of course it is not what John saw. That is what we have been trying to explain. John saw a women giving birth to a child - not a constellation with a planet going through it. One needs to allow a paradigm shift in how they have been thinking about the sign - John did not see the sign that we are seeing. He say images of real things like woman and child and dragon. We are seeing a representation of those things. And in our representation - the dragon is infra-red - the color doesn't really matter that much - as you pointed out the word might not even mean red. This image of whatever it is and whatever color is of course not a dragon or its face. But it is there and it kinda looks like a dragon face, and this did not occur anywhere else on the maps we are looking at and it is just as much part of the picture of the sign as the rest of the sign is when looked at on a computer. And John did differentiate the two signs as two separate items. So we can expect a little differentiation between them. But I get it - you don't see it as even a pointer to the picture of the dragon - (which is really satan). That's cool. It is what I see unless a better candidate comes along. I would swapped it all out - including the stars, sun, and moon, if the real image that John saw of a woman giving birth showed up in the sky! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 11:08:45 GMT -6
hmmm. something weird just happened socalexile - so I'm going to drop the topic. You seem to be adding things up in your head that I am not saying and I don't want to cause conflict. I never mentioned the rapture in this discussion of the dragon. so.... EDIT: This comment was in response to a post that has been edited or deleted. |
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Post by socalexile on Sept 19, 2017 11:27:23 GMT -6
hmmm. something weird just happened socalexile - so I'm going to drop the topic. You seem to be adding things up in your head that I am not saying and I don't want to cause conflict. I never mentioned the rapture in this discussion of the dragon. so.... I wasn't trying to doubt your faith or insult it. I'm sorry I took it that way. I see ALOT of people trying to force-feed this Planet X and red dragon stuff into the next three days. I understand they want to go home. We all do. Sorry for misunderstanding you. It's what I have seen constantly for the last week and it affected my bias. I wasn't trying to imply that your faith isn't in Christ to begin with either - but that we should again look to Christ and wait. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 11:54:46 GMT -6
socalexile . As you know we have taken this to private messaging - just wanted the rest of the body to understand that we have done so. I do believe that the enemy is afoot looking to divide in anyway he can. We must remain steadfast and united. Ideas are here to be disagreed with. But we all need to make sure that: we are actually discussing ideas and not people's faith we aren't putting words in people's mouths simply because others have said something similar we aren't assuming motivation of heart behind written words - very difficult to do appropriately If you look at my posts you will see that I specifically did not think the object was planet X. I did not mention going home or rapture. I do agree we should look to Christ and wait - but at the same time, why are any of us discussing anything then? We are trying to have fun and hear the lord as a body of believers.
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Post by socalexile on Sept 19, 2017 11:57:19 GMT -6
Like I said in my PM,the red dragon picture and the black spot in Google Sky are used by prople to push the Nibiru scam. I see many posts a day on Facebook by people believing this and using those two things as their only justification.
And like i said, I wasn't calling your faith into question, just trying to encourage prople to be patient.
All I wanted to do is help people in Christ, but I failed again.
I'm done with all of this. The whole thing. See you guys later. Maybe on the 24th, maybe sooner.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 12:17:40 GMT -6
socalexile, I get it. All is good. I'm sure we failed as a team! You don't need to take all the blame!
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Post by mike on Sept 19, 2017 12:37:07 GMT -6
I've been following along this and many threads. Like I have anything better to do (who wants to work), its very possible we go home in two/three/four days. socalexile - we all fall short but we have moments. You have helped me more than you know! This text has been on my heart for a few days, maybe appropriate given the last few notes - Just sayin' Love you guys! Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. |
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Post by yardstick on Sept 20, 2017 11:31:37 GMT -6
The Saturn part of this is almost irrelevant. It is just frosting on top. there are videos demonstrating that it is likely a double exposure of saturn, but that is not the relevant point, socalexile . The point is something is there, is only there, and looks, just a little, like the face of a red dragon. Don't get stuck on the saturn part. To answer your question - Saturn would not look like a dragon if it were there now. Instead, an image that sort of looks like a dragon was placed there. Sure, it just has to be "before" the woman - but what if God wanted it really close - like it really was trying to devour the child? I wouldn't fault him for make the picture even better than it "needs" to be. The whole sign is a stretch. We believe it and see it because God has woken us up. This part of the sign is does not seem any more of stretch than the rest of it. Can you explain your 'double exposure' reference please? |
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Post by tiffanybw on Sept 20, 2017 12:23:00 GMT -6
Sooooo.... In light of what Beloved wrote and in concert with what I wrote here: unsealed.boards.net/post/10550, I'd like to add some points of clarification and one point of hmmmmm -Wow. We don't expect jupiter to cry when it is born. We don't expect Virgo to actually flee into the wilderness. We don't expect any of the literal fulfillments to actually happen in the stars. These are simply pointing us to the passage where John saw images, that were not planets and stars, and which, in themselves only represent a true series of events. (you may need to read my linked post above to understand what I mean.) Bottom line, the real events were symbolized by what John saw, and the astronomical alignment on 9/23 will symbolize what John saw. Like this - (A)Real event --------------------------------------> (B)Images John saw ------------------------------------------------> (C)Star alignment we will see Or if it helps to think of that in reverse - go for it. But here is the weird thing - we have been "ignoring" the blocked out item in Virgo because we know it is not really a dragon, or because we don't believe in planet X, or because someone says it is a double exposure of Saturn. But So What! All this time we have been looking for a dragon in the A or B category and saying it needs to be either a real object that could be a dragon, or at least something that looks like what John saw. Why? The whole sign doesn't look like what John saw. The dragon has been sitting there the whole time! God arranged for a double exposure of Satan (I mean Saturn) to happen to take place at the very spot that would complete the star alignment that we see. This is actually incredible. There are no other double exposures of any other planet. Saturn did not double expose on any other part of the ecliptic. No, all happened at just this one spot with just that one planet exactly where it needed to occur. The fact that this image is from 1983 makes it all the more amazing that in all those years this is the only time this happened and it happened right where the sign would be completed. This is the "dragon" as far as the picture that God is allowing us to see ---- which points to the images that John saw ----- which points to a real series of events that will happen. I mean, come on people - this looks much more like a dragon, then jupiter looks like a manchild! I know we have talked about this image many times, but this is the first time it has dawned on me that this actually is the completion of not just Rev 12: 1-2, but instead Rev 12:1-4! As real as this was, this just got realer! It is true that the saturn double exposure would not actually appear in the sky, but it is appearing to all of us who are watching and searching. And remember, we can't see the rest of the sign in the sky either - it is blocked by the sun. Amazing thoughts! My mind lately, has been getting such a work out. Every day, all day! Like this intricate puzzle that God is revealing to us one piece at a time. As I was reading your post, and this is dumb and off topic... but does anyone remember the tv show called "Lost"? I never watched it while it was airing on television. But saw it a few years back on Netflix, started watching, and was instantly addicted to this show. Because everything was a puzzle and it was like one had to really think while watching and trying to put all the pieces together and it was just... I know a worldly tv show... but very well done whoever wrote it (except I think it kind of started fizzling out towards the end there, because let's face it... man tries but man does not have the mind of God and so just not at all capable of what God Is Capable! Was a great show though. This, real life, and even better! I stand, or really I kneel... in complete AWE of HIM! Pretty sure we will never figure all of it out here on earth. I can't wait to get to Heaven though and Jesus will show us all the completed "puzzle"; all the intricacies and details. I seriously CAN'T WAIT!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 12:23:09 GMT -6
The Saturn part of this is almost irrelevant. It is just frosting on top. there are videos demonstrating that it is likely a double exposure of saturn, but that is not the relevant point, socalexile . The point is something is there, is only there, and looks, just a little, like the face of a red dragon. Don't get stuck on the saturn part. To answer your question - Saturn would not look like a dragon if it were there now. Instead, an image that sort of looks like a dragon was placed there. Sure, it just has to be "before" the woman - but what if God wanted it really close - like it really was trying to devour the child? I wouldn't fault him for make the picture even better than it "needs" to be. The whole sign is a stretch. We believe it and see it because God has woken us up. This part of the sign is does not seem any more of stretch than the rest of it. Can you explain your 'double exposure' reference please? , this video will explain it better than I could: Once again - whether it is Saturn or not is not the relevant point - that just adds a bit of irony to the image. |
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