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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Sept 15, 2017 18:53:59 GMT -6
Perhaps that we, the Gentile Child of the Woman Israel can not figure out the dragon sign is a confirmation we won't be here because: we don't need that sign...
(fire going out in Montana, as snow is falling at 6000 feet...rain and more rain coming... A blessing for the livelihood of ranchers, firefighters, hunters, & farmers...and this watcher who will have to travel during the peakest of peak times of FOT)
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Post by socalexile on Sept 16, 2017 8:38:07 GMT -6
Perhaps that we, the Gentile Child of the Woman Israel can not figure out the dragon sign is a confirmation we won't be here because: we don't need that sign... (fire going out in Montana, as snow is falling at 6000 feet...rain and more rain coming... A blessing for the livelihood of ranchers, firefighters, hunters, & farmers...and this watcher who will have to travel during the peakest of peak times of FOT) Doesn't fit the scripture IMO: 1 Now there appeared a great sign in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 And being with child cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns on his heads. 4 And his tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. 5 And she bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and to His throne. |
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Post by kjs on Sept 16, 2017 16:07:36 GMT -6
Perhaps that we, the Gentile Child of the Woman Israel can not figure out the dragon sign is a confirmation we won't be here because: we don't need that sign... (fire going out in Montana, as snow is falling at 6000 feet...rain and more rain coming... A blessing for the livelihood of ranchers, firefighters, hunters, & farmers...and this watcher who will have to travel during the peakest of peak times of FOT) Doesn't fit the scripture IMO: 1 Now there appeared a great sign in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 And being with child cried out in labor and in pain to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns on his heads. 4 And his tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. 5 And she bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and to His throne. Please keep in mind, though there are several translations that put the word. "Then" in verse three --- the word is not in Greek. (as already discussed before) Other than the order of the verses itself, there is nothing that says first one sign and then the next..... so so they could both happen on the 23rd. Or the second sign might not show up for while. I still think we need to focus on the Birth .... But I still have no insight on when that is.... |
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Post by socalexile on Sept 16, 2017 22:02:25 GMT -6
Please keep in mind, though there are several translations that put the word. "Then" in verse three --- the word is not in Greek. (as already discussed before) Other than the order of the verses itself, there is nothing that says first one sign and then the next..... so so they could both happen on the 23rd. Or the second sign might not show up for while. I still think we need to focus on the Birth .... But I still have no insight on when that is.... It is a translation of the Greek word kai, which can mean "then" or "and", among other things. The order of Woman->Dragon->harpazo is supported by the details within the verses also. The dragon has to be before the woman in order to devour the Child when it's born, and the woman has to be apparent before the dragon, giving birth. On side note, I'm curious about is whether Ophiuchus, who restrains Serpens, is part of the stars that fall, when the "restrainer is taken away". |
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Post by socalexile on Sept 17, 2017 5:05:21 GMT -6
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Post by stormyknight on Sept 17, 2017 7:16:42 GMT -6
socalexile, interesting article! Isn't it funny the guy's name is Fallen? I like how they downplay it by using terms and phrases like "speck" and "a thumbnail at arms length" and "have to use averted vision to see it". How many years has this thing been in operation and how many other ones are there that we don't know about? I'm thinking there is a huge one down in Antarctica, but that's just my speculation. Lots of room, no one goes there...
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Post by socalexile on Sept 17, 2017 7:24:48 GMT -6
socalexile, interesting article! Isn't it funny the guy's name is Fallen? I like how they downplay it by using terms and phrases like "speck" and "a thumbnail at arms length" and "have to use averted vision to see it". How many years has this thing been in operation and how many other ones are there that we don't know about? I'm thinking there is a huge one down in Antarctica, but that's just my speculation. Lots of room, no one goes there... Don't jump to conclusions or conspiracies. Wait and see what happens. |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Sept 17, 2017 20:39:14 GMT -6
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Post by socalexile on Sept 17, 2017 22:20:15 GMT -6
There's a LOT more satellites than that. Are these geosynchronous only? LEO? MEO? Nothing in his footnotes tells us where he got this info on the satellite positions. Also the SpaceX Dragon mission is over. It already left the ISS and has landed: techcrunch.com/2017/09/17/spacexs-dragon-capsule-successfully-returns-from-12th-iss-resupply-mission/?ncid=mobilenavtrendWhat about the diadems? Why no mention of those? And why do heads=horns? The link acts as if "7 satellites = 7 heads, oh yeah there's these 3 other satellites, so then 10 horns." That is very inconsistent. And to top it off, the Dragon on the capsule is blue. |
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Post by brad on Sept 17, 2017 23:17:08 GMT -6
This posted from Unsealed's 1 and only "beloved" Had to reprint here.... Thanks beloved! From Beloved, To the Watching Saints, Hey folks! Long time no see. I’m pretty sure God has given me this as a revelation, because I would not have thought of this by myself  . Anyhoo, as I was waking up this morning, my brain was in a state of being half-awake and half-asleep. I had being thinking over about the Dragon yesterday, and I had seen something about John being literal, so he couldn’t have seen the astronomical alignment, because he would have told us if it was a constellation. So, it seems that God tied all of that together, and gave it to me in a flash of thought. Here it goes: I don’t think John saw the astronomical alignment. Repeat: I don’t think John saw the astronomical alignment. I think John saw exactly what he told us: a literal woman, clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and with a crown of twelve stars. I believe he also saw a literal red dragon with seven heads, etc.. Now, don’t kill me, the September 23 alignment fits in here, just keep reading  So, if that was literally what John saw, then what does Sept. 23 have to do with anything? Here it is: The Sign of the Woman is not the sign John saw; it’s God’s way of telling us that the events of Revelation 12 are about to happen. God most likely gave John a literal vision, but then became rather clever. He USED THE DESCRIPTION THE SPIRIT GAVE JOHN TO GIVE US A MARKER OF WHEN THE EVENTS OF REVELATION 12 WOULD HAPPEN. I can imagine the Trinity now: The Father: So, We know that We are going to give John a vision describing the Rapture, in the middle of his Revelation. But how are We going to alert my Son’s bride to when the events of this vision will occur. Spirit: I know! I’ll have John describe the woman like this: she will be clothed with the sun, have a crown of twelve stars, and have the moon under her feet. Then, you Two can arrange creation so a celestial equivalent of this woman appears when the Rapture will happen! Then, the Bride will know when the events described in the vision will happen in time! Jesus: Good idea! I can’t wait for My Bride.... Of course, nothing like that probably ever happened, but hey ! So, to summarize, the September 23 alignment is simply a picture of what John saw, a shadow. It’s designed to alert the Bride to the starting of the events described in Revelation 12. This would explain multiple things: the dragon wouldn’t HAVE to exist, because it would just be something John saw in his vision, helping describe what will happen. Since the Revelation 12 sign is just a marker, it makes sense: the dragon sign isn’t going to be found, because it DOESN’T EXIST. It’s something John saw in his vision, as a sign in literal capital H Heaven. Our earthy sign is a reflection, a type, and a shadow of what John saw in his vision. It’s a marker showing that the events described in Revelation 12 are about to occur. This would also explain why the woman is said the move around, fleeing into the wilderness. A constellation cannot do this. However, a literal vision-woman can. In summary, the astronomical alignment is a picture and a shadow of what John actually saw, designed by God to tell us when the events of Revelation 12 would occur. Combined with Isaiah 66:8 (birth before labor), and the Sign of the Pyramid before the FOT, this implies that Jesus would come after the SotP, but BEFORE the SotW (because of Isaiah 66:8). The FOT just HAPPENS to be on the exact two days between the two signs. All I can say is ‘Come, Lord Jesus!’ (Seriously though, I need to get out of High School. No Prophecy Watchers or serious Christians in my entire school, as far as I can tell!  ) Read full posts here: Read more: unsealed.boards.net/thread/866/why-dragon-sky-revelation#ixzz4t0L8h0td |
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Post by socalexile on Sept 17, 2017 23:21:28 GMT -6
We're getting some cross-thread talk, lol. I'll repost here also.
One problem though, We are told that the Dragon is a sign in the heavens:
Revelation 12 (KJV2016):
It may be the case that it will appear in the next week. It may also be the case that it appears much later, and Scottie Clarke's view of the Church being raptured when Jupiter leaves Virgo's birth canal is incorrect.
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Post by brad on Sept 17, 2017 23:31:36 GMT -6
We're getting some cross-thread talk, lol. I'll repost here also. One problem though, We are told that the Dragon is a sign in the heavens:Revelation 12 (KJV2016): It may be the case that it will appear in the next week. It may also be the case that it appears much later, and Scottie Clarke's view of the Church being raptured when Jupiter leaves Virgo's birth canal is incorrect. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 9:58:12 GMT -6
Sooooo.... In light of what Beloved wrote and in concert with what I wrote here: unsealed.boards.net/post/10550, I'd like to add some points of clarification and one point of hmmmmm -Wow. We don't expect jupiter to cry when it is born. We don't expect Virgo to actually flee into the wilderness. We don't expect any of the literal fulfillments to actually happen in the stars. These are simply pointing us to the passage where John saw images, that were not planets and stars, and which, in themselves only represent a true series of events. (you may need to read my linked post above to understand what I mean.) Bottom line, the real events were symbolized by what John saw, and the astronomical alignment on 9/23 will symbolize what John saw. Like this - (A)Real event --------------------------------------> (B)Images John saw ------------------------------------------------> (C)Star alignment we will see Or if it helps to think of that in reverse - go for it. But here is the weird thing - we have been "ignoring" the blocked out item in Virgo because we know it is not really a dragon, or because we don't believe in planet X, or because someone says it is a double exposure of Saturn. But So What! All this time we have been looking for a dragon in the A or B category and saying it needs to be either a real object that could be a dragon, or at least something that looks like what John saw. Why? The whole sign doesn't look like what John saw. The dragon has been sitting there the whole time! God arranged for a double exposure of Satan (I mean Saturn) to happen to take place at the very spot that would complete the star alignment that we see. This is actually incredible. There are no other double exposures of any other planet. Saturn did not double expose on any other part of the ecliptic. No, all happened at just this one spot with just that one planet exactly where it needed to occur. The fact that this image is from 1983 makes it all the more amazing that in all those years this is the only time this happened and it happened right where the sign would be completed. This is the "dragon" as far as the picture that God is allowing us to see ---- which points to the images that John saw ----- which points to a real series of events that will happen. I mean, come on people - this looks much more like a dragon, then jupiter looks like a manchild! I know we have talked about this image many times, but this is the first time it has dawned on me that this actually is the completion of not just Rev 12: 1-2, but instead Rev 12:1-4! As real as this was, this just got realer! It is true that the saturn double exposure would not actually appear in the sky, but it is appearing to all of us who are watching and searching. And remember, we can't see the rest of the sign in the sky either - it is blocked by the sun. |
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Post by socalexile on Sept 19, 2017 10:26:33 GMT -6
Sooooo.... In light of what Beloved wrote and in concert with what I wrote here: unsealed.boards.net/post/10550, I'd like to add some points of clarification and one point of hmmmmm -Wow. We don't expect jupiter to cry when it is born. We don't expect Virgo to actually flee into the wilderness. We don't expect any of the literal fulfillments to actually happen in the stars. These are simply pointing us to the passage where John saw images, that were not planets and stars, and which, in themselves only represent a true series of events. (you may need to read my linked post above to understand what I mean.) Bottom line, the real events were symbolized by what John saw, and the astronomical alignment on 9/23 will symbolize what John saw. Like this - (A)Real event --------------------------------------> (B)Images John saw ------------------------------------------------> (C)Star alignment we will see Or if it helps to think of that in reverse - go for it. But here is the weird thing - we have been "ignoring" the blocked out item in Virgo because we know it is not really a dragon, or because we don't believe in planet X, or because someone says it is a double exposure of Saturn. But So What! All this time we have been looking for a dragon in the A or B category and saying it needs to be either a real object that could be a dragon, or at least something that looks like what John saw. Why? The whole sign doesn't look like what John saw. The dragon has been sitting there the whole time! God arranged for a double exposure of Satan (I mean Saturn) to happen to take place at the very spot that would complete the star alignment that we see. This is actually incredible. There are no other double exposures of any other planet. Saturn did not double expose on any other part of the ecliptic. No, all happened at just this one spot with just that one planet exactly where it needed to occur. The fact that this image is from 1983 makes it all the more amazing that in all those years this is the only time this happened and it happened right where the sign would be completed. This is the "dragon" as far as the picture that God is allowing us to see ---- which points to the images that John saw ----- which points to a real series of events that will happen. I mean, come on people - this looks much more like a dragon, then jupiter looks like a manchild! I know we have talked about this image many times, but this is the first time it has dawned on me that this actually is the completion of not just Rev 12: 1-2, but instead Rev 12:1-4! As real as this was, this just got realer! It is true that the saturn double exposure would not actually appear in the sky, but it is appearing to all of us who are watching and searching. And remember, we can't see the rest of the sign in the sky either - it is blocked by the sun. This is a big stretch. If it's Saturn, and it has to be at the place you say it is, why didn't God align it to be there now (or in a few days)? Seems He didn't want it there - perhaps it's not either Saturn, or it's not the place for it, or both. It doesn't have to be at the feet of the Woman - it just has to be "before" as John stated. It could still be Draco, Hydra, Serpens, or Scorpio. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2017 10:35:45 GMT -6
The Saturn part of this is almost irrelevant. It is just frosting on top. there are videos demonstrating that it is likely a double exposure of saturn, but that is not the relevant point, socalexile . The point is something is there, is only there, and looks, just a little, like the face of a red dragon. Don't get stuck on the saturn part. To answer your question - Saturn would not look like a dragon if it were there now. Instead, an image that sort of looks like a dragon was placed there. Sure, it just has to be "before" the woman - but what if God wanted it really close - like it really was trying to devour the child? I wouldn't fault him for make the picture even better than it "needs" to be. The whole sign is a stretch. We believe it and see it because God has woken us up. This part of the sign is does not seem any more of stretch than the rest of it. |
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. Anyhoo, as I was waking up this morning, my brain was in a state of being half-awake and half-asleep. I had being thinking over about the Dragon yesterday, and I had seen something about John being literal, so he couldn’t have seen the astronomical alignment, because he would have told us if it was a constellation. So, it seems that God tied all of that together, and gave it to me in a flash of thought. Here it goes:
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