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Post by Gary on Apr 12, 2017 15:28:30 GMT -6
Date setting is a dangerous game with a horrendous track record. Having said that, I've never seen so many pieces fit together in such undeniable ways. I want to share with you a timeline that one of our readers shared with me. It is very similar to Steve Sewell's from HeavenlySign2017.com. I don't personally have the confidence Steve does in these dates being exact (for example a two-day rapture window of exactly 9/21-9/22), but I do want to share this because there is now more than one person seeing the same thing: drive.google.com/file/d/0B54iIGNHFQCzNDlpNm1QR3dIWFU/view?usp=drive_web
Personally, I fall somewhere between 'imminency' and 'you can know the date'. Did Jesus mean that the day or hour could never be known, or just not known to His immediate disciples? Daniel says that the prophecies would be sealed "until the time of the end". That would seem to imply that at the time of the end the prophecies would be known. We also have Paul saying in 1 Thess. 5:4 that for those watching the day will not come like a thief. Jesus says essentially the same thing in Revelation 3:3. Is the Revelation 12 Sign perhaps the seal, that once known essentially unseals everything else? |
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Post by watchmanjim on Apr 12, 2017 15:36:31 GMT -6
Quite possibly so. A year or so ago, I prayed with my kids that God would teach us what the Daniel 12 sealing and revealing meant--what was sealed, and what it all meant. The pieces are fitting together.
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Post by whatif on Apr 13, 2017 0:43:50 GMT -6
Is the Revelation 12 Sign perhaps the seal, that once known essentially unseals everything else? What an awesome question, Gary! Speculating on possible dates for our Lord's return and the prophetic events that are to occur in the 7 years afterwards keeps me working on theory timelines (I have a couple of them that I look at just about every day now as I keep watching the puzzle pieces falling into place).
I haven't had a chance yet to read the entire book provided by the reader, but I should mention just one thing to check out. The date of Yom Kippur, according to the sources I've checked out (such as Hebcal), appears to actually be 11 October 2024, which will displace the author's calculations by quite a bit. I don't recall what the date was in the book's timeline--seems like I recall a September date--but I did note it was mentioned on Page 44.
Taking the 11 October 2024 date to make the calculation, subtracting 1260 days would give a midpoint of the 7 years at 30 April 2021. Subtracting another 1260 days would give a starting point of the 7 years at 17 November 2017, which is the beginning of Sigd at sundown. Counting 1290 days from the midpoint would bring us to 10 November 2024, and counting 1335 days from the midpoint would bring us to 25 December 2024, which is Christmas and the first day of Chanukah! If I recall, however, I think the writer of the book actually counts the 1290 days backwards from the midpoint. If that is the case, the 1290 days would bring us to 18 October 2017. I do think the Daniel 12:11 passage suggests the counting should start at the midpoint and move into the future, rather than vice versa. The author's translation (Page 41) suggests there would be 1290 days from the ending of the daily sacrifices until the abomination of desolation, while the translations I've seen suggest that from the end of the daily sacrifices and the abomination of desolation there will be 1290 days.
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Post by Gary on Apr 13, 2017 11:57:55 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm personally neutral on this new interpretation of Daniel 12:11. It's definitely a novel theory, but when I look at the Hebrew it does seem plausible. If they're right that the verse's construction should essentially mean "from the continual sacrifice being removed until the AOD", then not only does the passage indicate the 1290 days happens in the first-half, but it also ends up being a pre-trib proof text because 'Tamid' would be the Church.
'Sacrifice' is added by the translators. Tamid simply means 'continual' or 'continuance'. 'Sur' for 'taken away' has a meaning surprisingly similar to 'harpazo'. If Daniel did imply sacrifice in the verse then the sacrifice would be referring more to the continual burning of the lampstand rather than animal sacrifices. A meaning very reminiscent of the churches in Revelation: lampstands. The parable of the ten virgins also comes to mind.
You're right about that October date. I think the difference is that TorahCalendar.com uses the September date in 2024 based on what they believe is a more accurate biblical calendar. I'm not sure which one is right.
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Post by whatif on Apr 13, 2017 12:24:31 GMT -6
Thank you, Gary! Fascinating information--and now something more for me to keep in mind as I try to construct my timelines here at home! The details you've provided are very helpful, so I'm now eager to finish up reading through the book.
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Post by whatif on Apr 13, 2017 13:40:08 GMT -6
Wow! I just checked out the TorahCalendar.com website, and I must say it is amazing! I am learning much from the information provided in their beautifully designed and easy-to-use pages.
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Post by whatif on Apr 14, 2017 12:06:38 GMT -6
Hi, Gary! I've finished reading the book and I found it quite fascinating! And just a note: If I had simply turned the page and continued reading for a little bit when I first started it, I could have saved you from taking the time to provide the explanation about the Daniel passage!  Sorry about that! Next time, you have my permission to tell me, "Just turn the page, sillyhead!" |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 8:00:30 GMT -6
Well, I think this timeline could be close to the truth and the "pay-per-view prophets" are coming out against it, which should tell you something.
Watch this video where Jerry Toney debunks the debunkers...
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Post by Gary on Apr 18, 2017 8:23:19 GMT -6
That's a good video, thanks for sharing. Another thing I'm hearing from a number of sources is that we also need to factor in 1977 into our calculations. It was the first year of the modern Israeli-Palestinian peace push. You could call it the beginning of a 40-year testing period for Israel where they endured intifadas and micro-wars and much international persecution and condemnation. It really started with a peace meeting between Sadat of Egypt and Prime Minister Begin of Israel in November or December 1977. Interesting the Prime Minister's name - Begin - as in, "begin the final countdown now". He was elected that same year (1977).
1897 - 1st Zionist Congress + 120 years (time until the Flood of Noah) = 2017
1917 - Balfour Declaration (hope of a Jewish homeland) + 100 years (time until the son of promise came in the OT) = 2017
1947 - World mandate to establish Jewish homeland + 70 years (time of exile / length of a generation) = 2017
1948 - Israeli independence + 70 prophetic years of 360 days each = 2017
1967 - Jerusalem recaptured + 50 (length of a jubilee) = 2017
1977 - Modern peace process begins + 40 years (time Israel was in the wilderness / period of testing) = 2017
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Post by watchmanjim on Apr 18, 2017 9:43:03 GMT -6
WHoa! By the way, that's when I was born, Dec. 1977. A few weeks from now, I will be 40 prophetic years old. June 15. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 12:58:28 GMT -6
Happy 40th prophetic birthday!  I think your b-day is as good a day as any for the rapture, so lets celebrate in heaven! |
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Post by whatif on Apr 18, 2017 15:27:52 GMT -6
I volunteer to help make the cake! Can you imagine the awesome food we'll be eating in heaven? Perfect, wholesome ingredients that won't damage a perfect body!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 6:37:57 GMT -6
Go Jerry Toney!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 11:54:30 GMT -6
I really like this guy. When you get the opportunity you need to watch his other videos because his insight is deep. Whatif, I'm longing for that heavenly feast too!! The angelic chefs will need to be creative because of no meat!! |
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Post by whatif on Apr 19, 2017 12:20:59 GMT -6
Whatif, I'm longing for that heavenly feast too!! The angelic chefs will need to be creative because of no meat!! Yes, that will be wonderful when no more of God's creatures are killed for meat! I admit I love chicken, turkey, beef, and pork in my meals, but I am looking forward to the day when we'll have a perfect diet that doesn't require a creature to die in order to feed us.
Vegie burgers, anyone? I'm thinking even those will taste awesome in heaven!
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Sorry about that! Next time, you have my permission to tell me, "Just turn the page, sillyhead!" 
I think your b-day is as good a day as any for the rapture, so lets celebrate in heaven!