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Post by boraddict on Nov 19, 2017 11:26:41 GMT -6
First, I would like to thank those in charge of this board for unlocking this thread. Quite honestly, I did not see that as happening because what I said goes against the grain of traditional Christian beliefs. Secondly, I would like to thank SilentKnight for taking my rough words and making them smooth. Surely God said: "Silent, take the rough words of Boraddict and make them as smooth as a polished stone."  Thank You. Silent said: "Even if we don't want to go so far as to calling someone else Moses - I think the core of what you are claiming is that someone(other than Jesus) will physically lead people on a future exodus as a type of Moses. Is that a correct assessment of your position? " Yes. That is my position. There is someone holding the order of the Melchizedek priesthood that will be like a second Moses to those going on the rapture. I realize that this is hard to hear; nevertheless, in my opinion, this core principle of Christian doctrine that is "the rapture" goes much further than simply taking people off the earth. First of all, why are the people taken off the earth? In my opinion, it is not to run from the beast, but because the earth must be burned. It is during that burning that the people must be preserved. It is like Noah and the flood in which he and his family were preserved to live again upon the earth. Secondly, the beast who took over the earth must be put down. Thus, it is my opinion that the 144,000 (the army of God) does that work. Also, it is done in a fashion similar to that of Gideon destroying the Midianites (Judges 7:22). This is supported by Isaiah Chapter 10 in which the destruction of Assyria is a type of the destruction of the latter day beast (Russia, in my opinion). Thus, Isaiah 10:26 is referencing Gidion's slaughter of the Midianites, and likewise, "Someone" will destroy the latter day beast in a similar fashion. This destruction is outlined in Rev. 19:11-21. Notice that in Rev. 19:15 a "sharp sward" came from Lord Jesus. Not only that; but he, Lord Jesus, rules the nations with "a rod of iron" that in my opinion the 144,000. In my preemptive defense, the "rod of iron" links to Rev. 12:5 showing clearly that it is something other than the man child. Thus you can see my next point. Rev. 12:5 is also a dual prophecy: first about Lord Jesus, and secondly about the sward coming from Lord Jesus as stated in Rev. 19:15. Thus, it is my opinion that there is a second man that is a Melchizedek priesthood holder that leads the rapture then leads the 144,000 against the beast. |
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Nov 20, 2017 1:47:05 GMT -6
First, I would like to thank those in charge of this board for unlocking this thread. Quite honestly, I did not see that as happening because what I said goes against the grain of traditional Christian beliefs. Secondly, I would like to thank SilentKnight for taking my rough words and making them smooth. Surely God said: "Silent, take the rough words of Boraddict and make them as smooth as a polished stone." Thank You. Silent said: "Even if we don't want to go so far as to calling someone else Moses - I think the core of what you are claiming is that someone(other than Jesus) will physically lead people on a future exodus as a type of Moses. Is that a correct assessment of your position? " Yes. That is my position. There is someone holding the order of the Melchizedek priesthood that will be like a second Moses to those going on the rapture. I realize that this is hard to hear; nevertheless, in my opinion, this core principle of Christian doctrine that is "the rapture" goes much further than simply taking people off the earth. First of all, why are the people taken off the earth? In my opinion, it is not to run from the beast, but because the earth must be burned. It is during that burning that the people must be preserved. It is like Noah and the flood in which he and his family were preserved to live again upon the earth. Secondly, the beast who took over the earth must be put down. Thus, it is my opinion that the 144,000 (the army of God) does that work. Also, it is done in a fashion similar to that of Gideon destroying the Midianites (Judges 7:22). This is supported by Isaiah Chapter 10 in which the destruction of Assyria is a type of the destruction of the latter day beast (Russia, in my opinion). Thus, Isaiah 10:26 is referencing Gidion's slaughter of the Midianites, and likewise, "Someone" will destroy the latter day beast in a similar fashion. This destruction is outlined in Rev. 19:11-21. Notice that in Rev. 19:15 a "sharp sward" came from Lord Jesus. Not only that; but he, Lord Jesus, rules the nations with "a rod of iron" that in my opinion the 144,000. In my preemptive defense, the "rod of iron" links to Rev. 12:5 showing clearly that it is something other than the man child. Thus you can see my next point. Rev. 12:5 is also a dual prophecy: first about Lord Jesus, and secondly about the sward coming from Lord Jesus as stated in Rev. 19:15. Thus, it is my opinion that there is a second man that is a Melchizedek priesthood holder that leads the rapture then leads the 144,000 against the beast. You've said it's "hard to hear," that isn't the problem. You've also said that you realize what you are saying goes against the grain of Christian beliefs - the problem is it directly contradicts what is unambiguous in scripture. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 makes clear that it is Jesus himself who raptures his church, not some pseudo-moses. Additionally, there absolutely no indication that the 144,000 are the army of God, this would actual be quite difficult for them as they are on the earth during the tribulation and Revelation chapter 19 is clear on two points, Jesus' army comes with him from heaven and it is Jesus who, and Jesus alone who destroys the beast. These things are unambiguous in scripture, you have to twist scripture and make connections that do not exist to see things they way you are describing. |
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Post by boraddict on Nov 20, 2017 9:19:08 GMT -6
Thank you thetimeoftheend, I am including the verses that you referenced.
King James, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, "For the Lord himself shall descent from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
The Lord himself (Lord Jesus) shall descend from heaven with a shout (what is this shout), with the voice of the archangel (Michael, Dan. 12:1), and with the trump of God (who is this?): and the dead in Christ (those who have salvation) rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up (the rapture) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
I am not debating the foundational truth that Lord Jesus raptures his church; that point is quite clear. I am saying there is an order of events, and these verses that you have referenced supports my case. As you can see, he uses the archangel, and in my opinion "The Trump of God." So who is this trump of God?
Like I said, it is a hard thing to hear because it is not taught in any Christian church to the best of my knowledge. If it had been taught then we could say that such and such denomination teaches this. However, to the best of my knowledge, no one teaches this. Does that make it wrong? No.
It took me quite some time to come to this realization, that Lord Jesus has someone that leads the rapture. That is to say, I believe in a three staged rapture. First is the rapture to the exodus (the shout mentioned above), secondly is the gathering of the saints to one location upon the earth, and third is that Lord Jesus comes and takes all his people off the earth. Conjoined with the rapture is the resurrection of the dead that begins in my opinion, with the two prophets killed in Jerusalem (Rev. 11:11).
With regard to the 144,000, they get sealed (Rev. 7:4), and then they do what? They stand with Christ (Rev. 14:1). We know that they are men because they were not defiled of women (Rev. 14:4). That is to say, they did not venture outside the marriage covenant with prostitutes and the like. They follow Lord Jesus (Rev 14:4). They were redeemed from among men (Rev. 14:4). Now that is interesting. They were among men, and they were redeemed. Is not that the rapture? I mean, how did the Lord redeem them? To redeem is to take back; to repurchase, or otherwise to have something and let it go, and then get it back again. This is the Davidic Covenant at it most basic presentation.
How did the Lord do it? He had someone assigned for that purpose, and that is who I am talking about. The someone that is hidden in scripture as stated in Isaiah 49:1-3, " Listen O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from afar; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name, and he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft (a weapon), in his quiver hath he hid me; and said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified."
Additionally, you said "Revelation chapter 19 is clear on two points, Jesus' army comes with him from heaven and it is Jesus who, and Jesus alone who destroys the beast." To this I am saying, in my opinion, that the army that comes with Lord Jesus is the 144,000 that were enraptured in the first of three raptures.
Also, Rev. 19:19 shows that he uses an army and they fill themselves with the flesh of their enemies (Rev. 19:21). That is to say, the metaphor "fowls" in Chapter 19 is the army of God.
I do understand that you believe I am twisting scripture from its unambigious and clear statements about the rapture. However, to what end would I do this? To lead people astray. To where? Please know that my entire life revolves around Lord Jesus. I am his devoted servant. I would prefer to be cast in hell than lead anyone astray. Let God judge me now if that is not the case. No, on the contrary, I am trying to show the coming events; that we have an opportunity to not only go on the rapture, but to be an instrument in the Saviors hand in ushering in his millennial reign.
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Post by Natalie on Nov 20, 2017 13:13:28 GMT -6
The Trump of God is not a who, it is a what...like in Exodus 19:16-20. A loud trumpet sound is used to call people to gather. Sometimes it is a man-made trumpet and sometimes it is God's trumpet.
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Post by Natalie on Nov 20, 2017 15:36:43 GMT -6
I think that you are again applying your own interpretation to Scripture. Isaiah 49 is about the Messiah. If anyone is "hidden in Scripture" it would be the identity of the Messiah.
Isaiah 49 is about the Messiah. Isaiah 49:6 He [the LORD] says: "It is too light a thing that you should be My servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the preserved of Israel; I will make you as a light for the nations, that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth." See also Isaiah 9:2 "The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shone." and John 1:5-9, I'll just quote verse 9 "The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world."
Another from Isaiah 49:8 "...I will keep you and give you as a covenant to the people..." Isaiah is not talking about some other "Moses" who is coming; he was speaking of the Messiah.
The things you are posting here that you post as fact just are not so; that's why they are not being taught in any church. It's fine to question man's teachings, which is being done in a couple other threads here, but I feel that you are going beyond just questioning man's teachings and you are interpreting Scripture wrongly. You seem to take passages and make them fit with what you want them to say. You say that you don't want to lead anyone astray, but maybe you are leading yourself astray. I know that you have said before that you do not like commentaries, but you would benefit greatly from them. Or maybe at least a Bible with cross references.
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Post by boraddict on Nov 20, 2017 16:02:49 GMT -6
Hi Natalie, Thank you for the reference to Exodus 19:16-20. While I was considering "The Trump of God" in my previous posting, I thought of Rev. 1:10 in which John heard Lord Jesus as a trumpet. John also states in Rev. 4:1 that a trumpet talked to him again. Of course this second time in Rev. 4:1 was also Lord Jesus. So I wondered why "The Trump of God" was used in 1 Thes. 4:16. No doubt it is a literal reference like you have said. However, I now look for any words that might have metaphorical implications to this second leader that I have been mentioning.
For instance; look at the metaphors used in Isiah 11:4, "But with "righteousness" shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth and he shall smite the earth with "the rod of his mouth," and with "the breath of his lips" shall he slay the wicked."
It would be nice if there were an absolutely clear cut verse saying that there is a second leader that functions like Moses of old. However, I have given the best that I can find unless something else comes up. Nevertheless, consider that there might be such a person, would you want to know about him? It does not take away from the truths that already exist that Lord Jesus calls forth the resurrection of the dead in Christ, and at the same time the rapture of the living in Christ. Knowledge of this 2nd leader/servant is a good thing for us.
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Post by Natalie on Nov 20, 2017 16:06:14 GMT -6
Have you considered that there is no clear cut verse because there is no second leader?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 16:23:10 GMT -6
boraddict - would you mind clarifying a point for me: In the passage it calls the "person" Israel. Isaiah 49:1-3, " Listen O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from afar; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name, and he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft (a weapon), in his quiver hath he hid me; and said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified."Does that give you pause? How do you explain this. As far as I know there are only three entities that can be called Israel. 1 - The physical nation of Israel before the kingdom split, 2 - The physical northern kingdom of Hebrews. 3 - The continually building spiritual nation - the children of Abraham - as they are grafted into the spiritual Israel. Is there something else that can be called Israel? Do you allow for the idea that this might actually be talking about the spiritual Israel who has become a great nation and whom God has hidden in the world, soon to be revealed as the Sons of God, upon whom the entire creation awaits? (Romans 8) They are hidden like the lamps in the pots when Gideon defeated Mideon. When the trumpets sound, the pots will be broken (this flesh of ours) and our light will shine forth. And the nations of this earth will fall. Notice, too, the barley in this story (Judges 7) which also represents the Sons of God. What are you thoughts in this area?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 16:29:57 GMT -6
Hi Natalie, Thank you for the reference to Exodus 19:16-20. While I was considering "The Trump of God" in my previous posting, I thought of Rev. 1:10 in which John heard Lord Jesus as a trumpet. John also states in Rev. 4:1 that a trumpet talked to him again. Of course this second time in Rev. 4:1 was also Lord Jesus. So I wondered why "The Trump of God" was used in 1 Thes. 4:16. No doubt it is a literal reference like you have said. However, I now look for any words that might have metaphorical implications to this second leader that I have been mentioning. For instance; look at the metaphors used in Isiah 11:4, "But with "righteousness" shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth and he shall smite the earth with "the rod of his mouth," and with "the breath of his lips" shall he slay the wicked." It would be nice if there were an absolutely clear cut verse saying that there is a second leader that functions like Moses of old. However, I have given the best that I can find unless something else comes up. Nevertheless, consider that there might be such a person, would you want to know about him? It does not take away from the truths that already exist that Lord Jesus calls forth the resurrection of the dead in Christ, and at the same time the rapture of the living in Christ. Knowledge of this 2nd leader/servant is a good thing for us. A concern I would have here boraddict is that we are actually told not to look toward another leader. We are told not to follow if we are told "He is here, or He is there" For His coming will be like the light flashing from the East to the West. So if we set up, in the minds of believers, that they should look to a human "moses" type. How would they know Him? And wouldn't they have to ignore the warnings of Jesus? I will say this, If some dude shows up and says I am supposed to follow him into the wilderness so that I can meet Jesus - I'm not going. Obviously, like everything, we must subject this to the Lord, and this is why I feel that now, of all times, it is critical that we learn to hear His voice. But I'd want to see more testimony that confirms what you are saying. Certainly, you can appreciate that. |
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Post by Natalie on Nov 20, 2017 17:41:45 GMT -6
good point Silentknight!
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Post by boraddict on Nov 21, 2017 0:18:03 GMT -6
Hi Natalie, Thank you for the reference to Exodus 19:16-20. While I was considering "The Trump of God" in my previous posting, I thought of Rev. 1:10 in which John heard Lord Jesus as a trumpet. John also states in Rev. 4:1 that a trumpet talked to him again. Of course this second time in Rev. 4:1 was also Lord Jesus. So I wondered why "The Trump of God" was used in 1 Thes. 4:16. No doubt it is a literal reference like you have said. However, I now look for any words that might have metaphorical implications to this second leader that I have been mentioning. For instance; look at the metaphors used in Isiah 11:4, "But with "righteousness" shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth and he shall smite the earth with "the rod of his mouth," and with "the breath of his lips" shall he slay the wicked." It would be nice if there were an absolutely clear cut verse saying that there is a second leader that functions like Moses of old. However, I have given the best that I can find unless something else comes up. Nevertheless, consider that there might be such a person, would you want to know about him? It does not take away from the truths that already exist that Lord Jesus calls forth the resurrection of the dead in Christ, and at the same time the rapture of the living in Christ. Knowledge of this 2nd leader/servant is a good thing for us. A concern I would have here boraddict is that we are actually told not to look toward another leader. We are told not to follow if we are told "He is here, or He is there" For His coming will be like the light flashing from the East to the West. So if we set up, in the minds of believers, that they should look to a human "moses" type. How would they know Him? And wouldn't they have to ignore the warnings of Jesus? I will say this, If some dude shows up and says I am supposed to follow him into the wilderness so that I can meet Jesus - I'm not going. Obviously, like everything, we must subject this to the Lord, and this is why I feel that now, of all times, it is critical that we learn to hear His voice. But I'd want to see more testimony that confirms what you are saying. Certainly, you can appreciate that. Silent you make me laugh!! To think that someone could fool Christians in the manner that you have described. That someone could come in the name of the Lord to lead Christs people. NO, NO, NO. How could I have given this impression? Have I said that? I am sorry to not have clarified myself better, and I apologize for this mistake. Lord Jesus causes the rapture and then he provides a leader. That is, he does not provide the leader until after the rapture has taken place. This leader leads the exodus, in my opinion that is. Isaiah 66:7-9 helps to clarify this where Lord Jesus states: "Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came she was delivered of a man child. Who hath heard of such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed she brought forth her children. Shall I bring to the birth and not cause to bring forth? saith the Lord: shall I cause to bring forth and shut the womb? Saith thy God." Thus, Lord Jesus alone causes the rapture. However, the leader of the exodus was brought forth prior to the time of the rapture (in my opinion). So I plead for some forgiveness in this regard. I did not mean to say or imply that a leader would come and lead the people to the rapture. Only Lord Jesus is in charge of the rapture. Afterwards, he has a leader in place to lead from that point forward; an exodus (in my opinion). Thus, the first rapture is a rapture to an exodus. The rapture conducted by Lord Jesus, and an exodus led by his servant. |
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Post by boraddict on Nov 21, 2017 1:52:58 GMT -6
boraddict - would you mind clarifying a point for me: In the passage it calls the "person" Israel. Isaiah 49:1-3, " Listen O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from afar; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name, and he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft (a weapon), in his quiver hath he hid me; and said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified."Does that give you pause? How do you explain this. As far as I know there are only three entities that can be called Israel. 1 - The physical nation of Israel before the kingdom split, The physical northern kingdom of Hebrews. 2 - The continually building spiritual nation - the children of Abraham - as they are grafted into the spiritual Israel. Is there something else that can be called Israel? Do you allow for the idea that this might actually be talking about the spiritual Israel who has become a great nation and whom God has hidden in the world, soon to be revealed as the Sons of God, upon whom the entire creation awaits? (Romans 8) They are hidden like the lamps in the pots when Gideon defeated Mideon. When the trumpets sound, the pots will be broken (this flesh of ours) and our light will shine forth. And the nations of this earth will fall. Notice, too, the barley in this story (Judges 7) which also represents the Sons of God. What are you thoughts in this area? Silent, I am amazed at your brilliance and you surpass me in gospel knowledge. I can not find fault in anything that you have said. First of all, I did go back and see that I said "Lord Jesus has someone that leads the rapture ." I am guilty as charged, and this is clearly an error on my part. There are however the servants of Lord Jesus that are referenced as the two wings of the Great Eagle (Lord Jesus) in Rev. 12:14. Exactly how they participate in the rapture is unknown to me. It is my understanding that the rapture is all at once. People from all over the world are taken at once. I do not know how this happens except to say that Lord Jesus causes it to happen. Thus, what I should have said is: "Lord Jesus conducts the rapture and then he has a servant that is ready to lead the enraptured people on an exodus" (in my opinion). With regard to the name "Israel." I wish that I had some lofty excuse as to why I did not expound upon this name. To me it is quite clear. Nevertheless, I must draw some line in the sand so to say. If no one can see what I see then what is the point. Shall I continue showing evidence. No. There is a point at which I will stop. If no one wishes to learn a greater truth in this area then what is that to me? I have done my part. If the Father wishes anyone to know then they will know. Only he controls to whom he will give this knowledge. It is not for everyone. Okay, I will come out and say it at the risk of having this thread locked again, there is a latter day Davidic King (in my opinion), and he is called Israel in the above referenced verse (Isa. 49:3). Davidic Kings are a shadow of Lord Jesus. That is, in my opinion, Lord Jesus made a payment for his people and likewise the Davidic Covenant stipulates that Davidic Kings can make temporal payments for their people. Such is the case of Hezekiah (Isa. 38:1-6) and 185,000 enemy were slain by the angel of God (Isa. 37:35). Likewise, this servant of God will defeat the beasts army of 200 million (Rev. 9:16), in my opinion. Silent, I am sorry. I just had to come out and say it. Enough beating around the bush. The apostle John is the Davidic King, in my opinion. To be protected under his payment is to be protected from the beast when the beast rules the earth. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2017 7:40:26 GMT -6
Boraddict,
Thanks for the response and for sharing your insights and opinions. I'll be holding all things up to the Lord. Please keep in mind that for many people, such as me, asking tough and clarifying questions is how we learn. You should interpret my questions as a learning process. I don't immediately reject or accept anything. I was mocked recently because I did not immediately reject one members position that our sun has been replaced or supplemented by a man made fake sun.
If you are correct, I'd like you to have a chance to demonstrate it. If not, I'd like you to see where you need to refine your position. Simply rejecting your ideas would not give you or me any opportunity to grow.
I need to go back and re-read your recent posts as I only had time to skim them this morning.
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Post by thetimeoftheend on Nov 21, 2017 9:18:35 GMT -6
boraddict - would you mind clarifying a point for me: In the passage it calls the "person" Israel. Isaiah 49:1-3, " Listen O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from afar; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name, and he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword; in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me, and made me a polished shaft (a weapon), in his quiver hath he hid me; and said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified."Does that give you pause? How do you explain this. As far as I know there are only three entities that can be called Israel. 1 - The physical nation of Israel before the kingdom split, The physical northern kingdom of Hebrews. 2 - The continually building spiritual nation - the children of Abraham - as they are grafted into the spiritual Israel. Is there something else that can be called Israel? Do you allow for the idea that this might actually be talking about the spiritual Israel who has become a great nation and whom God has hidden in the world, soon to be revealed as the Sons of God, upon whom the entire creation awaits? (Romans 8) They are hidden like the lamps in the pots when Gideon defeated Mideon. When the trumpets sound, the pots will be broken (this flesh of ours) and our light will shine forth. And the nations of this earth will fall. Notice, too, the barley in this story (Judges 7) which also represents the Sons of God. What are you thoughts in this area? Silent, I am amazed at your brilliance and you surpass me in gospel knowledge. I can not find fault in anything that you have said. First of all, I did go back and see that I said "Lord Jesus has someone that leads the rapture ." I am guilty as charged, and this is clearly an error on my part. There are however the servants of Lord Jesus that are referenced as the two wings of the Great Eagle (Lord Jesus) in Rev. 12:14. Exactly how they participate in the rapture is unknown to me. It is my understanding that the rapture is all at once. People from all over the world are taken at once. I do not know how this happens except to say that Lord Jesus causes it to happen. Thus, what I should have said is: "Lord Jesus conducts the rapture and then he has a servant that is ready to lead the enraptured people on an exodus" (in my opinion). With regard to the name "Israel." I wish that I had some lofty excuse as to why I did not expound upon this name. To me it is quite clear. Nevertheless, I must draw some line in the sand so to say. If no one can see what I see then what is the point. Shall I continue showing evidence. No. There is a point at which I will stop. If no one wishes to learn a greater truth in this area then what is that to me? I have done my part. If the Father wishes anyone to know then they will know. Only he controls to whom he will give this knowledge. It is not for everyone. Okay, I will come out and say it at the risk of having this thread locked again, there is a latter day Davidic King (in my opinion), and he is called Israel in the above referenced verse (Isa. 49:3). Davidic Kings are a shadow of Lord Jesus. That is, in my opinion, Lord Jesus made a payment for his people and likewise the Davidic Covenant stipulates that Davidic Kings can make temporal payments for their people. Such is the case of Hezekiah (Isa. 38:1-6) and 185,000 enemy were slain by the angel of God (Isa. 37:35). Likewise, this servant of God will defeat the beasts army of 200 million (Rev. 9:16), in my opinion. Silent, I am sorry. I just had to come out and say it. Enough beating around the bush. The apostle John is the Davidic King, in my opinion. To be protected under his payment is to be protected from the beast when the beast rules the earth. Sorry, but one only needs to hold this up to scripture. Matthew 21:9 makes clear reference to Jesus as the Son of David. John is merely an apostle of Christ - yet you are elevating him to role occupied by Christ, with absolutely no basis whatsoever in scripture, other than your own personal revelation - that can be attested by no witnesses and appears to be based on some sort of free association type of understanding of scripture. At this point, I have to continue to reject the things you are saying, not because they are difficult to hear, but because you continue to fail to make any sort of scriptural case for them that makes any sense taking the whole of God's word. Once again, Natalie, because we are now debating core doctrine, I would ask that the mods once again review this thread unless Boraddict can provide clear scriptural evidence or convincing testimony with witnesses to back up this new claim. |
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Post by Natalie on Nov 21, 2017 9:32:55 GMT -6
thank you thetimeoftheend for keeping an eye on things. boraddict - you have not answered the question I posed when unlocking the thread, you have not shown significant evidence for a person leading an exodus, and now you are placing John in King David's line. You are making Scripture say things that it does not. |
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