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Post by venge on Mar 15, 2021 7:30:15 GMT -6
More on the signs pointing to the rebuilding of the temple: Friends, in this episode I share some exciting new geographic developments in Israel and surrounding nations. These events further signal that we are living in the last days! Jesus is coming back soon! Maranatha! - Pastor Ray www.maranatha.tv/stepintothestory/videos/stepintothestoryep1Hey Friends and Family! Im back with another special two part episode of Step Into The Story where we dive into current events relating to the Temple! I'm amazed by what's happening and I know you will be too! www.maranatha.tv/videos/stepintothestoryep2In the video about the temple, I don't know why anyone would be happy to see a temple built with 3 Faiths attached to it. Instead, he should remove his grin and sigh/weep/ask his audience to pray. He should be talking about what destruction it will cause, how it can cause people to become unequally yoked. Forging ties between 3 Faiths is a major stumbling block. This isnt anything to get excited about. I dont want to see people stumble nor do I want to see Christians praise any building of a foreign temple to God. If you want to get excited about Christ, go soul winning and tell someone about him. But don't get excited for a temple that isnt ours that causes destruction. That's not where our heart should be.
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Post by mike on Mar 15, 2021 8:18:56 GMT -6
vengeSome see things like this as "peace and safety" and therefore once this does actually happen, then sudden destruction. While I can see your reason for not wanting unrighteous relations and unity with false gods, it is also expected as prophesied and therefore shows us another event pointing to the soon return of Christ, which is exciting.
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Post by venge on Mar 15, 2021 10:12:09 GMT -6
vengeSome see things like this as "peace and safety" and therefore once this does actually happen, then sudden destruction. While I can see your reason for not wanting unrighteous relations and unity with false gods, it is also expected as prophesied and therefore shows us another event pointing to the soon return of Christ, which is exciting. True, the return of Christ is exciting. But he and others are excited about a temple, Red Bull’s etc. That is saddening.
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Post by mike on Mar 15, 2021 10:35:04 GMT -6
venge we as Christians should not be excited about the temple itself per se. Our excitement should be in that it is possible the temple in Jerusalem, (not UAE as noted at the outset of the video where he does call it a prototype) will be built which will likely be the site of the fulfillment of Matt 24:15. Right at the 8 minute mark he does state "this is all pointing to the soon return of Jesus Christ!" Not sure if you missed that or didnt listen to that point of the video, but to me its clear the intent of the video is to discuss the temple possibility but the excitement is in the return of the King. Hopefully others listening to this catch the main emphasis
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Post by venge on Mar 15, 2021 10:54:03 GMT -6
venge we as Christians should not be excited about the temple itself per se. Our excitement should be in that it is possible the temple in Jerusalem, (not UAE as noted at the outset of the video where he does call it a prototype) will be built which will likely be the site of the fulfillment of Matt 24:15. Right at the 8 minute mark he does state "this is all pointing to the soon return of Jesus Christ!" Not sure if you missed that or didnt listen to that point of the video, but to me its clear the intent of the video is to discuss the temple possibility but the excitement is in the return of the King. Hopefully others listening to this catch the main emphasis I did watch the video and I dont recall that part but I trust you on it. No need for me to review it. Thank you for the update Mike.
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 15, 2021 12:12:18 GMT -6
venge , mike , bernie , boraddict , Natalie , Beloved , sog , yardstick , fitz , Mike, I think you nailed it in your overview. The 3rd temple is not even for us as Christians. Many Christians, across denominational lines, all over the world believe we will be gone anyway. But just for kicks, let's pretend that we are here for the first half of the 70th week. It's still not for us - We won't see Christians going to the temple to worship. It's the same for this other multi-faith temple, that he talks about in the video. To Christians, this is not only insulting, it's idolatry, and even to many Jews is blasphemy. We know that we are the temple. Here's another way of saying it that I think will make more sense, to anyone who seems to be confused as to why Christians get excited about the temple. - I hate Halloween, and we don't celebrate it. It's roots are demonic and well-documented to have clear occultic ties, even today. But it's like JD Farag says, each year, we see Christmas and Resurrection being more and more commercialized, and we see the stuff going out earlier and earlier. Now, it's being put out before Halloween even is done. So when we see Christmas stuff being put out, beside the Halloween junk, and it's the end of October, we know that Christmas is that much closer. So it's the same with the excitement of the red heifer and the 3rd temple. Just as the tribulation is for the Jews, - so the temple is for them, and it's important to keep in mind that though their eyes are blinded, it's only for a time, - because we are in the time of the Gentiles - the Church age, but the veil will be lifted and all of Israel will be restored and come to Christ. This in itself - is proof that Israel and the Church are totally separate and distinct. If the Church replaced Israel, or is Israel, then it makes no sense that the Church, who is already the body of Christ, then comes to Christ, in the tribulation. Regardless of whether one supports the 3rd temple construction, or is excited about what it points to, [as he says in the video] or is vehemently opposed to it, it was God's temple, and Christ referred to it as such, His Father's house. There will be a 4th temple, which will be built by Christ himself in the millennial reign, and we will have sacrifices, and all nations of the earth, Jew and Gentile will keep Feast of Booths - Sukkot, in the Millennium. The temple is not an abomination, or else God wouldn't rebuild it and use in in the 1000 year millennial kingdom. The abomination is the one declaring himself to be God - The Anti-Christ. There's some great information in an article on Israel's 3rd and 4th Temples. www.templemount.org/TM34.html- " The regathering of the Jewish people to their homeland in our time (as predicted for example in Ezekiel 37) is being accompanied by a rapidly accelerating religious consciousness in Israel, the awakening of ancient longings and aspirations and the rediscovery of many immutable promises God has made to the chosen seed of Abraham. The fact that a Third Temple is to be built can be shown from the Tanach , [Old Testament] three passages in the New Testament also refer to such a building not now in existence as of this writing in 1996 AD. Many Christians have thus speculated in recent years about when the Third Temple would be built. This is considered by many to be an important milestone pointing to the end of the age. - Jesus spoke of the Third Temple building in Jerusalem when discussing with his disciples the chain of events that would bring the close of the present age and his return. He spoke of an event yet future predicted by Daniel the prophet when the temple in Jerusalem would suffer ultimate defilement by a false Messiah who claimed to be God:
"So when you see the desolating sacrilege spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; let him who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house; and let him who is in the field not turn back to take his mantle. And alas for those who are with child and for those who give suck in those days! Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be." (Matthew 24:15-21)
Since only a properly consecrated temple can be defiled, this passage implies a functioning, dedicated Third Temple and priesthood in existence in the end time at the time Jesus said he would return. The apostle Paul, writing a few years later, describes this same event:
"Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren, not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God," (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4).
Finally, the existence of the Third Temple in Jerusalem at the close of the age is confirmed by the aged apostle John when he recorded the Book of the Revelation:
"Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told 'Rise and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample over the holy city for forty-two months."' (Revelation 11:1-2)
- Since orthodox Christians hold to a literal, physical return of Jesus, the construction of the Fourth Temple, they believe, would thus be the responsibility of their Lord, whom they believe to be Yeshua HaMaschiah. This temple may well be that seen by Ezekiel (ca. 570 BC) in a vision. A temple that matches his description has never yet been built. Moreover, the Fourth Temple will evidently not be built at Jerusalem but possibly at Shiloh, some 31 km to the North:
"And to the prince shall belong the land on both sides of the holy district and the property of the city, on the west and on the east, corresponding in length to one of the tribal portions, and extending from the western to the eastern boundary of the land. It is to be his property in Israel. And my princes shall no more oppress my people; but they shall let the house of Israel have the land according to their tribes." (Ezekiel 45:1-8.)
According to many Bible scholars, the fourth or "millennial temple" (Ezekiel 40-45), will be memorial, a teaching center to instruct men about the holiness of God and proper worship. As sinful men and women continue to be born into the world in the Millennium the temple is supposed to remind everyone of the substitionary death of Jesus on the cross, as the "Lamb of God," some two thousand years earlier."
It's really odd that without exception- 100% of the Christians who insist that the feasts are not for us, and that the 3rd temple is terrible - all plan on being here in the 1000 year millennial reign - the period when Christ rebuilds the 4th temple and we all celebrate Feast of Booths, every year for 1000 years. Maranatha -- exciting times, brothers and sisters
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Post by venge on Mar 15, 2021 12:26:38 GMT -6
disciple4life , Respectfully, not everyone agrees/or believes in that opinion. I think God can work with both groups at the same time.
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Post by mike on Mar 15, 2021 12:27:47 GMT -6
venge , mike , bernie , boraddict , Natalie , Beloved , sog , yardstick , fitz , Mike, I think you nailed it in your overview. The 3rd temple is not even for us as Christians. Many Christians, across denominational lines, all over the world believe we will be gone anyway. But just for kicks, let's pretend that we are here for the first half of the 70th week. It's still not for us - We won't see Christians going to the temple to worship. It's the same for this other multi-faith temple, that he talks about in the video. To Christians, this is not only insulting, it's idolatry, and even to many Jews is blasphemy. We know that we are the temple. Here's another way of saying it that I think will make more sense, to anyone who seems to be confused as to why Christians get excited about the temple. I hate Halloween, and we don't celebrate it. It's roots are demonic and well-documented to have clear occultic ties, even today. Just as the tribulation is for the Jews, - so the temple is for them, and it's important to keep in mind that though their eyes are blinded, it's only for a time, - because we are in the time of the Gentiles - the Church age, but the veil will be lifted and all of Israel will be restored and come to Christ. This in itself - is proof that Israel and the Church are totally separate and distinct. If the Church replaced Israel, or is Israel, then it makes no sense that the Church, who is already the body of Christ, then comes to Christ. D4L - I understand what you mean here...And I am assuming when you say "Christians" you mean the faithful, those committed to Him and His Word regardless of the pressures of society. However do you think that there will be some, perhaps even many who say they are "Christian" but will say "this is great thing" or "finally, peace will come" or will even worship along side the other religions? I think we are already seeing signs of this but wonder if anyone does. And brother - for the record, I'm not pretending!
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Post by disciple4life on Mar 15, 2021 12:51:44 GMT -6
venge, mike, Agree, venge, I understand that no everyone holds that view. I was editing the post, and in that version, I tried to explain the part about the temple/ and red heifer that I think you might agree makes more sense. Not that you change your mind, but I think it sheds a lot more light on why people get excited when they hear updates and news about the 3rd temple or red heifer. *The red heifer is far far more imporant, and really what we should be watching. And yes, Mike, I do agree, that no doubt, sadly, there will be some people who think a Muslim/Jewish/Christian multi-faith temple is a good idea. I said let's pretend that we will be here, - what I should have said was, "Even if we all agree for this conversation that we will be here for the first half ..." Blessings, brothers.
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Post by Natalie on Mar 16, 2021 7:46:04 GMT -6
disciple4life , boraddict , venge , anyone else ... I made a new thread to discuss the symbolism of the red heifer as it relates to Christ.
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Post by sog on Mar 17, 2021 7:19:27 GMT -6
When the Temple is rebuilt, it will be because God has allowed it. Good or bad, it will be to fulfill prophecy. Headline: JERUSALEM: SHILOACH POOL OVERFLOWING ONCE AGAIN FULFILLING BIBLICAL PROPHECY www.israel365news.com/188405/jerusalem-shiloach-pool-overflowing-once-again-fulfilling-biblical-prophecy-watch/From link - Prayers of rain have been answered and after experiencing more than six years of drought, ancient sources of water are flowing in Israel. Most notably, the Shiloach Pool in Jerusalem is overflowing. Six years of drought ended last winter with a blessed rainy season. Israel is an arid country with about 70 percent of the average rain falling between November and March and the last two years filled the Kinneret to within 12 centimeters of being full. Rain in Israel is a reflection of the relationship between the Jews and God. Nowhere is this more evident than at the Shiloach Pool that once served the Temples in Jerusalem. On Sukkoth 18 months ago, a grand procession of Kohanim (priests), Levites, and Jews joyously descended from the Old City in Jerusalem to the Shiloach Pool in a reenactment of the Nisuch Hamayim (water libation ceremony) performed in the Temples. Upon arriving at the pool, they were dismayed to discover that there was barely enough water to fill the golden vessel. This stands in stark contrast to the overflowing spring Israel365 reporter Joshua Wander encountered when he visited the pool on Tuesday. Wander is no stranger to the Shiloach Pool which is quite near his home on the Mount of Olives. But he was overcome with joy when he saw the spring was overflowing to an extent he hadn’t witnessed in many years.
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Post by bernie on Apr 1, 2021 9:11:44 GMT -6
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Post by sog on Jun 28, 2021 13:26:44 GMT -6
Sad that they have not read and/or do not believe the New Testament. It will be interrupted again and God's wrath will soon follow. Headline: 17TH OF TAMMUZ : PRIESTS TRAIN FOR ‘TAMID’ SACRIFICE OFFERING FOR 3RD TEMPLE SERVICE www.israel365news.com/194283/17th-of-tammuz-priests-train-for-tamid-sacrifice-offering-for-3rd-temple-service-watch/From link - While Jews around the world fasted on Sunday, the 17th day of the Hebrew month Tammuz, a group of less than 50 gathered in Mitzpe Jericho to witness a dry-run of the Korban Tamid, the twice-daily sacrifice performed in the temple. The 17th of Tammuz commemorates the breach of the walls of Jerusalem before the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE. It is also the day that Jewish tradition teaches that Moses destroyed the two tablets of the Ten Commandments after descending from Mount Sinai and discovering the Children of Israel engaged in the Sin of the Golden Calf. ... “About 49 people showed up on a fast day and stood in the heat in order to take part,” Wander said. Wander noted that throughout the total of 830 years that the two temples stood, the ritual of the Tamid sacrifice was only interrupted twice when the temples were destroyed. “There is a tradition from Rabbi Elijah ben Solomon Zalman (an 18th century Torah scholar known as the Vilna Gaon) that after the Temple service will be restarted the third time, it will never be interrupted again.”... “As more people support the events, it generates political and spiritual opposition,” Rabbi Weiss said. “Technically, we could go up to the Temple Mount right now and begin the service. All of the necessary elements stand ready. We are preparing several options for each element to make this possible. But it is not our intention to make a provocative political statement. The Temple is the source of peace, not conflict. Our only intention is to bring about the prophesied House of Prayer for all nations.”
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Post by disciple4life on Jul 2, 2021 8:14:31 GMT -6
Hello fellow watchers. Guys this is bigger than huge!! It's a game changer. Just to put this in perspective, this has not happened in 2000 years- since 30 AD when Christ was crucified.
High ranking Jewish scholars and Rabbis rarely agree on anything, but they agree that the 3rd temple and the red heifer are ideal, but not absolute requirements in order to do the sacrifices.
This week, they did a full rehearsal of the daily lamb sacrifice- and it is this sacrifice that the AC stops. ***He can't stop them until they have been started.
If this isn't a sign we are on the cusp of the rapture- nothing is a sign.
Maranatha!!
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Post by sog on Jul 16, 2021 12:06:30 GMT -6
Headline sort of misleading. Right now they are asking for a permanent bridge to the Temple Mount, but are saying for when The Temple is rebuilt. Headline: ISRAELI LAWMAKERS DISCUSS PREPARATION FOR ACCESS TO 3RD TEMPLE www.israel365news.com/194910/israeli-lawmakers-discuss-preparation-for-access-to-3rd-temple/from link - On Tuesday, Member of Knesset Itamar Ben Gvir, head of the Religious Zionist Party, held a session in the Knesset concerning the dire condition of the Mughrabi Bridge used by Jews to ascend to the Temple Mount. The meeting went on to discuss how Jewish visitation to the site could be encouraged. The meeting came one week before Tisha B’Av (the ninth day of the month of Av), the day commemorating the destruction of the Jewish Temples. ... “This is a safety issue but it is more than a safety issue,” Rothman said. “This is a national issue. We returned to our land. We returned with the famous expression [in 1967] of ‘the Temple Mount is in our hands.’ But this has to come to reality. Arriving at the Temple Mount must be central and not on the sidelines. This has to be an important aspect of our national infrastructure. [How can] the entrance to the Temple Mount [be] a temporary structure? We returned to our land. We need to think about how people will go to the Temple Mount once the Temple is rebuilt. It may not be an immediate need since it will take a day or two to build it.” “But in the short term, the entrance to the Temple Mount, the holiest site to the Jewish people, cannot be like this, temporary,” Rothman concluded.
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