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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 10:45:03 GMT -6
Days and Years - 1260 + 1260I have written this to a couple of you in private - but I think I will bring it out for public consumption. I have talked about how Judah was brought into captivity in Babylon. We too are in captivity now - to Mystery Babylon. We talked about how the punishment for Judah ended up being more than 70 years (7 * 10) because they refused the wooden yoke and so God placed an iron yoke on them instead. This amounted to 7 * 360 years = 2520. I hinted in my previous writing that 2520 = 1260 + 1260. But no one commented on that hint. In Daniel and in The Revelation we see the time periods: 1260 days, 42 months (30 days months) = 1260 days Time, Times and Half a time (1 + 2 + .5) = 3.5 = (if years) 1260 days. Often we see God use a different time unit then the actual time unit in the text. A day can be a thousand years. A week can be 7 years. What if, the 1260 days, 42 months, etc. is supposed to be converted to years? I would like to show you a hidden message in the writing on the wall when Babylon was about to fall. I believe it is prophesies as to the timeframe that Mystery Babylon will fall as well. Babylon was coming to an end then just as it is now. Daniel represents the overcomers - sons of God - barley. So at one point, the hand writing on the wall happens: Dan 5:24 Then was the part of the hand sent from him; and this writing was written.
Dan 5:25 And this is the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.
Dan 5:26 This is the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it.
Dan 5:27 TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting.
Dan 5:28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.
Those words are translated as words - but did you know they also have monetary values? The words are Aramaic, but their Hebrew translations are ancient monetary terms. You can think of a "gerah" as a unit of money - like a penny. (I acknowledge that there are various historic values for these monetary units - these values are among the legitimate options). Mene = Mina = 1000 gerahs Mene = Mina = 1000 gerahs Tekel = Shekel = 20 gerahs Peres = Peres = 500 gerahs TOTAL: 2,520 gerahs That night the King of Babylon was slain and Babylon fell to the Medes and Persians. God placed, alongside the literal meaning of the text, God also embedded the timing for the actual fall of Mystery Babylon in the future. Here we see John measuring the temple. Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
So we have a measuring by the hand back in Daniel's day and Babylon is found wanting - then we have another measuring of the temple by John. John is not measuring a building. He is measuring a temple made of people. Will we be found wanting? Is the number complete? I believe tribulation started when Israel and Judah were captured. It has been going on for 1260 + 1260 years and is about to end. This is why the whole idea of rapture and pre-trib, post-trib, etc. Doesn't mean much to me. People keep thinking I don't believe in a rapture - the bottom line is - I don't believe in a "tribulation!" At least not the way everyone else does. The beast of Rev 13 is not anything new - it is the same beasts system that Daniel was talking about and has been ruling for 2520 years. And the beast system has definitely overcome the saints. Many of us have sold out to the world, to money, to materialism, to fake Christianity (the whore) - the kingdoms of this world. There will be "tribulation" as Christ takes possession of the kingdoms of this world and the kingdoms of this world will resist Him. We see some of this described in The Revelation. But it is not "The Tribulation" as defined by hollywood and holy-wood (Christianity built for public consumption). Some of it may resemble what they have seen. They are not completely blind. But the purpose and result will not be what they see. Remember, God does things for a reason. What would be the point of raining down terror on one generation of Jews? And even if they all saw Jesus and turned to Him - how does that save all the Jews that lived over the last 18 centuries? It is just silly. God will save the Jews, the same way He will save all the other unbelievers. There will be a shaking, but not, in anyway, what Christians are waiting for (and expecting to escape). It seems to me there will be a sealing first, then some work, then the rapture, then more work with a much bigger work force (the dead barley). Between these events will be a time period where the kingdoms crumble around us as the Lord makes His claim and takes charge of the kingdoms of earth. Perhaps this time period will even be 7 years. But that is almost irrelevant. I'm hoping this addresses some of the day counts portion of barbiosheepgirl's questions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 11:36:28 GMT -6
One thing though is the darned day counts. Is it coincidence that they match or add up to a 7 year period? Why are they mentioned in Revelation? Doesn't John report that his vision is of things yet to come? Though was the physical temple destroyed before Revelation was written? and, in regards to ALLLL these anniversaries: 70 years since this, 120 since that, are these the things of lawlessness? To be looking at these physical things? But isn't God showing us that things are about to change by having all these anniversaries line up? Revelation is the prophecy of how God will bring in His Kingdom to earth, correct? So I guess any question we have here can remain in this thread. You have mentioned in the past few pages various topics that could have there own thread, I hope that Lord calls you to do this... John reports that his vision is:
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John,
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near.
Rev 1:19 "Therefore write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after these things.
Rev 17:9 "Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits,
Rev 17:10 and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while.
Rev 22:6 And he said to me, "These words are faithful and true"; and the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, sent His angel to show to His bond-servants the things which must soon take place.
Rev 22:10 And he *said to me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.
We can see from these verses that this is an ongoing situation. It was taking place and would continue to take place. We have learned to ignore these verses because they don't fit our end times model. But the verses are there. I am not a preterist - those who teach it has all been fulfilled, but I do claim that it has been being fulfilled for some time. There is a future clash of kingdoms so to speak. It is not a tribulation for the Jews. It is a war between the kingdoms of man and the saints of the most High operating under the Lordship of Jesus as He takes over the kingdoms of the earth. John had already pointed out in his letters that antichrist was already alive even before he wrote The Revelation. Antichrist opposes our King and claims the throne and the birthright. And right now, antichrist is being supported by a great number of Christians. So yes, John is writing of things that are to come - but they have been happening since he wrote them. They are coming to a head soon and it appears they will come to a head in our lifetime. Temple destroyed:According to historians, the temple was already destroyed before The Revelation was written. There are differences of opinion, the common understanding is that the temple was destroyed in 70 AD and that The Revelation was written around 94-96 AD. All the anniversaries:People have been applying anniversaries for a very long time. They have also been counting days and numbering feasts and watching the stars. Each time one anniversary comes and goes, they start touting the next one. When modern Israel became a nation the Church claimed they would all convert to Christianity within 7 years. When that didn't happen they said 14 years. Each day passes with no rapture, no tribulation, no treaty, etc. But, like sheep, we all follow after these "shepherds" the next time they proclaim another date. They do it all under the guise of being a watchman, but they neglect to realize something - the watchman were to warn of a coming enemy. Not of a coming friend. For some reason, we ignore all the wrong "amazing connections" that these "watchmen" give us and as soon as a new video comes out - we rush to view it and then talk about all the amazing insights the "watchman" revealed. Then when that date comes and goes, we do the same thing with the next. How amazing are the insights when they are wrong? So, yes, we have some anniversaries lining up and they are hard to ignore, but some are already starting to fade. All will have faded away with the next Feast of Trumpets, which will start 2019. There are some anniversaries that are meaningful - 1. When did the fig leave put forth leaves? That is something Jesus said to learn from. The fig tree is Judah - she will not bear fruit, but she will put forth leaves. I would say this was either 1948 or 1967. This is 70 (7 * 10) years and 51 years at this point. 2. The iron yoke of 7 * 360 = 2520 years. We have talked of this a lot, but with the 100 year extra time, this would be 2620, which appears to have ended between 2014 and 2017 depending on what portion of Babylon's invasion we count as the start. There was some additional time before the temple fell to Babylon. 3. The sign of Rev. 12 - not really an anniversary, but a marker that is in scripture - as opposed to all the non scriptural markers people are identifying. This appears to be a marker announcing the soon revealing of the Sons of God. Remember, Emmanuel is the Sons of God and the sign displayed the birth of Emmanuel. But there is likely a small delay between the birth and the revealing. We have a way of seeing patterns that match the thing we are looking for. But that does not mean that all events are meaningless. Not every pair of earthquakes means the end is nigh. God will let us know. It will not take us by surprise, but I also doubt it will line up with something one of the "watchmen" are providing. I suppose it may, by coincidence. The purpose of The Revelation:There are three elements to the book of The Revelation. 1. The Revealing of Jesus Christ. 2. The Revealing of the Christ - the annointed Sons of God. 3. The Revealing of the Man of Sin. These are all revealed by Jesus and The Revelation is about these revealings. All of these have been working in the shadow - the mystery. The process of these revealings is embedded with the fall of the beast kingdoms and the rise of the Kingdom of God, ruled by Jesus and administered by the Sons of God. |
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Jan 16, 2018 12:57:49 GMT -6
Ok, I see your points SK. I do, I really do see the evidence that you lay out here regarding Daniel 9. Someone else considers the decree was by Artaxerxes because that decree involved the building of the wall and not just the temple. We do have the physical destruction of the temple, and Jesus predicted that to his followers. Note that I do see the dual meaning to that: The physical temple is detroyed (70AD) and WE, those In Christ, our body (group of Believers) is the Temple now, no need for sacrifices..built with stones not made with hands.
But this same person does not "see" Jesus walking about in the 70th week, but Jesus was completing the 69th week when he rode into Jerusalem. This person does a day count from Artaxerxes decree and comes up to 173,880 days from the decree of Artaxerxes (March 14, 445 BC) to what we see as Palm Sunday, when Jesus entered Jerusalam on a donkey colt, fulfilling Zechariah, and Jesus did this on April 6th, 32 AD..(7+62) x 360 day years = 173,880.
I am not saying this to argue by no means. But what does one do with math like this? Two people, each citing one spectacular event: one demonstrating His walk within the 70th week based on the baptism, and one making a case for the end of the 69th week on HIs colt ride.. The baptism of Jesus where the heavens opened up afterward and the Spirit of God witnessing that Jesus was His Beloved Son, CONFIRMING THIS TO ALL..and the colt event, where it was prophesied Zech 9:11 with a day count from Artaxerxes:
Dan 9:25 "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks... This is 69 weeks, and Jesus was acknowledged King (Prince, hebrew word nagid) at this Palm Sunday event...no? He was PRESENTED AS KING, by the masses..
And you citing:
Luk 4:18 "THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR. HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED,
Luk 4:19 TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD."
Luk 4:20 And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him.
Luk 4:21 And He began to say to them, "Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing."
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I need help understanding why this firm covenant is 1 week? Is it only one week? (7years?) it seems this is calling for an end point. Is this what causes confusion?
and, 2) "cut off and have nothing" (9:26) explain the "have nothing"...
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I wrote this post before reading the 1260 post. Still, can you respond to this post of mine?
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Post by MikeTaft on Jan 16, 2018 13:12:08 GMT -6
I'm doing a study tonight on Revelation 10, and I came across this verse:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
I've come to realize that Mystery Babylon and some of the mysteries of this age coming to a soon close will eventually be finished. New Jerusalem and Zion is spoken of by many of the Old Testament prophets and they declared His truth about the end of this age. I believe why so many believe in the mainstream teachings of biblical prophecy is all part of the delusion that deceives many. As SK has showed us in scripture, God has sent lying spirits to deceive people to fulfill His plan. While Jesus never lied, He instead spoke parables, to confuse those around Him because His time (**God's Timing**) had not been fulfilled yet for the work Christ had not been accomplished. It wasn't until the very end hours before His crucifixion did He speak plainly that He was the Son of God.
The stuff I have been learning from SK has transformed my mind and thinking, and I feel more at peace with God's plan and less concerned about my own plan, let alone the world's plan. Many will continued to reject truth and listen to lying and confusing spirits, because God has His timing, and soon as we see in Revelation 10:7...the mystery of God will be finished, and everything will be revealed (The Kingdom of God).
These are my thoughts as I ponder upon this thread and God's plan.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Jan 16, 2018 13:23:09 GMT -6
Did yo mean 2018?
I still stand on my previous exaltation that I actually am not worried about the rapture...your case laid out in the Restoration puts a peace over me, and helps me to "see" the spiritual warfare that is discussed thru the entire Bible.
Again, I admit that I have a hard time reading Bible commentary and following any singular person's prophesy explanation. As the mods know that I have been led all over the place with doctrines of end times to where I have one verse stating that this is the 2nd coming of Christ, no wait, this is the Rapture, no wait this is post trib, no wait this is pre-trib...I need a new Bible because there is no more room left to write in the margins in Matt 24, or 1 & 2 Thes, not to mention many part of Rev...all these marks coming from the influence of many, whom I "trust" and many NOT in an agreement in one big Harmony, other than the Gospel message itself. As my mom likes to quote her Polish mom with accent, What can do? (what can one do?).
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Jan 16, 2018 13:26:19 GMT -6
MikeTaft , have you ever pondered or "seen" this: ... in the days of the voice of the seventh angel..." sure seems like a duration of time here...and HOW LONG? I only the other day saw that this is the only angel that has a duration tied to him.
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Post by MikeTaft on Jan 16, 2018 13:53:23 GMT -6
MikeTaft , have you ever pondered or "seen" this: ... in the days of the voice of the seventh angel..." sure seems like a duration of time here...and HOW LONG? I only the other day saw that this is the only angel that has a duration tied to him. That I missed barbiosheepgirl . Very nice find and very interesting too. Now I need to investigate further.  My study on Revelation 9 last week revealed that what we were looking at and the creatures revealed were more spiritual in nature than actual physical things as we try to understand them in a literal sense. Revelation 9 also only mentions the 6th angel, meaning the angel seen in chapter 10 is the 7th. The visuals I am getting is that the seventh angel seems to be pointing to the Restoration through the barley. John was given the little book (scroll) to eat (Spiritual words) a bittersweet message (The Gospel of the Kingdom of God) in which John is charged to prophesy to many people, nations, and Kings. Notice how this leading into Chapter 11 with John measuring the temple (Us). This brings me back to what is coming in Chapter 9, because it seems like a serious clash between the spiritual kingdoms of Zion and Mystery Babylon. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 13:53:55 GMT -6
Did yo mean 2018? I still stand on my previous exaltation that I actually am not worried about the rapture...your case laid out in the Restoration puts a peace over me, and helps me to "see" the spiritual warfare that is discussed thru the entire Bible. Again, I admit that I have a hard time reading Bible commentary and following any singular person's prophesy explanation. As the mods know that I have been led all over the place with doctrines of end times to where I have one verse stating that this is the 2nd coming of Christ, no wait, this is the Rapture, no wait this is post trib, no wait this is pre-trib...I need a new Bible because there is no more room left to write in the margins in Matt 24, or 1 & 2 Thes, not to mention many part of Rev...all these marks coming from the influence of many, whom I "trust" and many NOT in an agreement in one big Harmony, other than the Gospel message itself. As my mom likes to quote her Polish mom with accent, What can do? (what can one do?). I have a meeting starting soon and will answer your other post soon afterward. But, I do mean 2019. The Feast of Trumpets will start the next calendar year. This is why I say that these anniversaries that many have been clinging to, will begin to be meaningless as we move into next fall. Then we will be at 121, 71, 52 - you get the picture. Our foundation for understanding the timing and plan of God is to watch the things He asked us to watch. Not all the extra stuff that seems to line up. Next year, we will start to hear of other anniversaries that are suddenly meaningful to the watchers. We are to be, instead, focused on hearing God and saying Amen to His plan. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 15:32:59 GMT -6
Ok, I see your points SK. I do, I really do see the evidence that you lay out here regarding Daniel 9. Someone else considers the decree was by Artaxerxes because that decree involved the building of the wall and not just the temple. We do have the physical destruction of the temple, and Jesus predicted that to his followers. Note that I do see the dual meaning to that: The physical temple is detroyed (70AD) and WE, those In Christ, our body (group of Believers) is the Temple now, no need for sacrifices..built with stones not made with hands. But this same person does not "see" Jesus walking about in the 70th week, but Jesus was completing the 69th week when he rode into Jerusalem. This person does a day count from Artaxerxes decree and comes up to 173,880 days from the decree of Artaxerxes (March 14, 445 BC) to what we see as Palm Sunday, when Jesus entered Jerusalam on a donkey colt, fulfilling Zechariah, and Jesus did this on April 6th, 32 AD..(7+62) x 360 day years = 173,880. I am not saying this to argue by no means. But what does one do with math like this? Two people, each citing one spectacular event: one demonstrating His walk within the 70th week based on the baptism, and one making a case for the end of the 69th week on HIs colt ride.. The baptism of Jesus where the heavens opened up afterward and the Spirit of God witnessing that Jesus was His Beloved Son, CONFIRMING THIS TO ALL..and the colt event, where it was prophesied Zech 9:11 with a day count from Artaxerxes: Dan 9:25 "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks... This is 69 weeks, and Jesus was acknowledged King (Prince, hebrew word nagid) at this Palm Sunday event...no? He was PRESENTED AS KING, by the masses.. And you citing: Luk 4:18 "THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR. HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET FREE THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED,
Luk 4:19 TO PROCLAIM THE FAVORABLE YEAR OF THE LORD."
Luk 4:20 And He closed the book, gave it back to the attendant and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on Him.
Luk 4:21 And He began to say to them, "Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing."
____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ also, I need help understanding why this firm covenant is 1 week? Is it only one week? (7years?) it seems this is calling for an end point. Is this what causes confusion? and, 2) "cut off and have nothing" (9:26) explain the "have nothing"... _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ I wrote this post before reading the 1260 post. Still, can you respond to this post of mine? In regard to the 70 weeks in general: my main point in bringing up the 70 weeks is not to "prove" that my understanding is correct. My point is to shake the traditional tree and show that the traditional tree is making assumptions and declarations that may or may not be correct. We should not just take them at their word. Having said that, I have not included all the work that helps to verify a completed 70 weeks. There is a lot going on in these four verses that is ambiguous and we should recognize that the traditional viewpoint is weak at best. And likely wrong. For instance - it also says the city would be rebuilt with a moat. Well - Jerusalem has never had a moat. So, ..... But most just ignore this little tidbit. My very long version of Daniel's 70 weeks goes into that as well. I used to agree with the "other" person who says Palm Sunday is the fulfillment of the 69th week. So I understand that position. I just no longer agree with it. It took my Kingdom understanding for me to recognize what Gabriel was saying to Daniel. The words are just that - words - but the meaning of the passage is more significant. We must agree that the words in this passage are confusing and hard to prove one way or the other. There are multiple potential decrees, difficult pronoun references, strange week counts, etc. But the meaning of the passage is - there is a certain amount of time you are going to be given to accomplish these things. If you don't, desolation is coming your way. And during this timeframe the Messiah will come and will be cut off and have nothing. Another thing happened that caused me not to believe the Palm Sunday version anymore - Jesus revealed to me the exact time of His death. As you comment, the Palm Sunday version would require a 32 AD crucifixion. This does not match with what was revealed to me - which was that Jesus died at 3:01 pm April 3, 33 AD. Now this might not mean much to others - but I know what I heard and it has been twice witnessed by extraordinary timing events. In my mind, the combination of timing is impossible to happen by chance. I don't expect others to take my word for it. But I take my own word for it, since I experienced it - twice! Once again - it is not critical that you agree with my assessment. My goal is to get people to stop drinking the poisoned milk. Perhaps God made it ambiguous because there are multiple fulfillments. The important thing is that we recognize the kingdom message and that we think for ourselves and hear God on the matter. Question 1 - 1 week covenant:This is another difficult phrase to unwrap. YLT says it this way: Dan 9:27 And he hath strengthened a covenant with many—one week, and in the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'
This is the only mention of the 70th week. We have the 7 and the 62, but then this phrase - 1 week, is the only place we see a mention of the 70th week. Most have assume that this means the covenant is a 7 year treaty. But keep in mind the absence of verse separate in the original. What about this: And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end is with a flood, and till the end is war, determined are desolations. And he hath strengthened a covenant with many.
One week - In the midst of the week he causeth sacrifice and present to cease, and by the wing of abominations he is making desolate, even till the consummation, and that which is determined is poured on the desolate one.'Another way to look at it is that Jesus, in His teaching, spoke of what He would do during that entire last week. Then at the end - He did it. He confirmed it for a week. Yes, officially, we only know about the last 3.5 years. Once again - I don't have to be right about this. But the traditional teachings are clearly adding things that are not in the passage. Question 2 - Cut off and have nothing:What does it mean that the Messiah was cut off and had nothing. When John the Baptist saw Jesus approaching for baptism, he exclaimed, "Behold the lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world." Christians don't believe this - they think the lamb of God only takes away some sins. But that is beside the point. When Jesus then was baptised and demonstrated a minor fulfillment of the Day of Atonement - the goat that was killed. From this point, sacrifices were no longer accepted. The Concordant version says this verse a little differently: “Messiah will be cut off, and there is no adjudication [justice] for Him.” When Jesus was tried - the trial was not just. I believe this is what this verse means. Another way to see this would be to use YTL. The YLT says it this way: Dan 9:26 And after the sixty and two weeks, cut off is Messiah, and the city and the holy place are not his, the Leader who hath come doth destroy the people; and its end is with a flood, and till the end is war, determined are desolations.
This version even calls into question the prince who is to come and it makes it possible that the prince is the Messiah. God is who destroyed the people. He just used the armies of Rome to do it. So this introduces even more ambiguity.
So what do we do with it all? I can tell you that I rarely give it a second thought at this point. I have studied it. I have determined that there are non-answerable questions but that I understand the gist of the passage. I also know that a supposed tribulation will also not resolve the issues that Gabriel was saying needed resolving. It seems pretty clear that this was fulfilled in the 1st century. It doesn't really change anything in my mind. If there happens to be a 7 year treaty at some point (which there already has been in 1993-2000 - Oslo Accords), it doesn't change what must take place with the Kingdom. It doesn't mean that there will be 7 years of tribulation. Daniel 9 says nothing about tribulation. It doesn't change the timing of the resurrection. Daniel 9 says nothing about the resurrection or rapture. I'm trying to get us to the point where we see truth and walk in integrity when something doesn't line up. If people see this differently, I can live with this. None of us can know for sure and so it becomes silly to debate it at some point. In my mind, this is one of the great fulfilled prophecies of scripture. But even more important is the one that is coming to pass now - the 2520 years. I am focused on the "Kingdom against Kingdom" situation that we are living through in this generation. Let me know Barbie if this helps or causes even more confusion! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 16:32:33 GMT -6
I will cover Matthew 24 next and will tie it into this thread.
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Post by MikeTaft on Jan 16, 2018 19:59:55 GMT -6
Had a wonderful Spirit-led bible study on Revelation 10 tonight. The Lord blessed me with a wonderful song on the way home that encapsulates everything we discussed tonight and all of which we discussed in Restoration, Hearing God, and The Kingdom of God. Listen to You Are God Alone by Phillips, Craig, and Dean You Are God Alone
Rest in Him my brothers and Sisters, rest in Him... Edit: Oh and for the Lake of Fire - Diamonds by Hawk Nelson |
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Post by cwood85 on Jan 16, 2018 20:11:40 GMT -6
Again, I admit that I have a hard time reading Bible commentary and following any singular person's prophesy explanation. As the mods know that I have been led all over the place with doctrines of end times to where I have one verse stating that this is the 2nd coming of Christ, no wait, this is the Rapture, no wait this is post trib, no wait this is pre-tribbarbiosheepgirl I am with you on this and was getting tired of thinking and wondering which was right? Some theories are more backed by scriptures than others. But one thing that always in rather a quiet way in my mind felt these pre, mid, and post theories had to many holes, to many things added in, other things not being noted and paid attention to. I asked in one of threads once (I do not remember which one ) a few months ago about the main rapture verse in 1st Thessalonians and comparing it with the continuing verses in 2nd Thessalonians in regards to the lawless one being revealed and the A & D appearing before our gathering to Christ. I was met with answer that the first meant the rapture and the second was more referring to Christ 2nd coming. I remember thinking WHAT? How?!? Paul was addressing and reassuring the same audience. How could this be about two different things or is that just being completely ignored? I made a choice right then to take a step back and start doing my own research. No more solely relying so much on the mainstream teachings anymore. Something is up and for many, it has been a great way to line their pockets.
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Post by MikeTaft on Jan 16, 2018 20:43:55 GMT -6
Again, I admit that I have a hard time reading Bible commentary and following any singular person's prophesy explanation. As the mods know that I have been led all over the place with doctrines of end times to where I have one verse stating that this is the 2nd coming of Christ, no wait, this is the Rapture, no wait this is post trib, no wait this is pre-tribbarbiosheepgirl I am with you on this and was getting tired of thinking and wondering which was right? Some theories are more backed by scriptures than others. But one thing that always in rather a quiet way in my mind felt these pre, mid, and post theories had to many holes, to many things added in, other things not being noted and paid attention to. I asked in one of threads once (I do not remember which one ) a few months ago about the main rapture verse in 1st Thessalonians and comparing it with the continuing verses in 2nd Thessalonians in regards to the lawless one being revealed and the A & D appearing before our gathering to Christ. I was met with answer that the first meant the rapture and the second was more referring to Christ 2nd coming. I remember thinking WHAT? How?!? Paul was addressing and reassuring the same audience. How could this be about two different things or is that just being completely ignored? I made a choice right then to take a step back and start doing my own research. No more solely relying so much on the mainstream teachings anymore. Something is up and for many, it has been a great way to line their pockets. Ever notice the big prophecy voices in "Christiandom" have a lot of best-selling books?  lol. I digress... |
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Post by grandpaskitzo on Jan 16, 2018 20:47:17 GMT -6
Again, I admit that I have a hard time reading Bible commentary and following any singular person's prophesy explanation. As the mods know that I have been led all over the place with doctrines of end times to where I have one verse stating that this is the 2nd coming of Christ, no wait, this is the Rapture, no wait this is post trib, no wait this is pre-tribbarbiosheepgirl I am with you on this and was getting tired of thinking and wondering which was right? Some theories are more backed by scriptures than others. But one thing that always in rather a quiet way in my mind felt these pre, mid, and post theories had to many holes, to many things added in, other things not being noted and paid attention to. I asked in one of threads once (I do not remember which one ) a few months ago about the main rapture verse in 1st Thessalonians and comparing it with the continuing verses in 2nd Thessalonians in regards to the lawless one being revealed and the A & D appearing before our gathering to Christ. I was met with answer that the first meant the rapture and the second was more referring to Christ 2nd coming. I remember thinking WHAT? How?!? Paul was addressing and reassuring the same audience. How could this be about two different things or is that just being completely ignored? I made a choice right then to take a step back and start doing my own research. No more solely relying so much on the mainstream teachings anymore. Something is up and for many, it has been a great way to line their pockets. Ever notice the big prophecy voices in "Christiandom" have a lot of best-selling books? lol. I digress... One of my personal rules: Where the majority follows, I diverge. I seek the path that few are on. After all, why did Christ say NARROW is the path to life? |
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Post by cwood85 on Jan 16, 2018 21:14:32 GMT -6
Honestly I am surprised these threads @silentknight has posted (aka one novelette and now two novels lol) do not have more of an audience, or at least a more interactive one. Not saying that about anyone in particular here and I hope that doesn't sound like I think it does. If it does I really do not mean this that way at all. I am just surprised with so much fall out after the rapture not happening when everyone thought it would, all the date setting fails, and so on that maybe people would be a little more open minded and maybe seek different avenues... I know the Lord will show whom He wants to know and see in His time. I do feel there is some effort required on our part though. I guess it is easier to follow the "professionals" who hold their hand out for payment to learn the big secrets.
I will keep my thoughts at that otherwise this big mouth and loud brain the Lord has given me is going to get me in big trouble lol. My emotions are very frazzled today, sorry.
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