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Post by yardstick on Sept 19, 2017 18:54:04 GMT -6
Truthseeker, I would agree with you about the "little book" I tend to think that the OT prophets where shown the same prophecy that John was shown, only John gives us more detail. Me too! |
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Post by rt on Oct 2, 2017 12:02:52 GMT -6
Just wondering if anyone has any questions regarding this thread? I am happy to do my best to answer.
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Post by mike on Oct 2, 2017 14:03:18 GMT -6
Just wondering if anyone has any questions regarding this thread? I am happy to do my best to answer. when are we getting out of here  |
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Post by rt on Oct 3, 2017 7:21:53 GMT -6
Just wondering if anyone has any questions regarding this thread? I am happy to do my best to answer. when are we getting out of here I know you were being facetious Mike, but I do want to say a couple things about this, because I know that some folks out there are discouraged. The answer to your question is: When God decides it is time, until then we must "occupy until He comes". That phrase in quotes is from Matthew 19:13, the NAS phrases it slightly differently In my opinion the currency that we receive is a heavenly one, which is God's word. Until He comes we are to invest His word, in our own personal growth (earning interest) and in the lives of others (gaining a return). Lately I have heard some folks describe their discouragement that the rapture hasn't happened yet, and yes we do long for our eternal dwelling, we are to eagerly await our Savior and the redemption of our bodies (Romans 8: 18-25). But at the same time we need to live our lives in view of God's will, which is that people be saved and that we grow in our faith. Paul describes this dichotomy here: And also here in his letter to the Colossians, he encourages them to walk in a manner that is worthy: Paul is praying that they be filled with the knowledge of God's will, in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, that is the interest earned on the knowledge that comes from hearing the word of God, so that they might bear fruit in their good works, that is the profit that comes from the investment of God's word in our life. We shouldn't grow discouraged,and I am not saying that you are yourself, but I know that some are. That is what the enemy would like for us, to sideline us from carrying out God's will for our lives. Stand firm in your faith, and trust that God knows what He is doing and recognize that we don't when it comes to the timing of the rapture. Concentrate on investing the word of God, in your own life and watch it bear fruit as you do not only personally but also in the lives of others around you. Occupy until He comes |
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Post by rt on Nov 3, 2017 9:13:19 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Nov 3, 2017 18:33:02 GMT -6
Yes rt, I commented in there too advising to see this thread. I am.going to Sticky this one as I couldn't find it! Well not just because I couldn't find it, also because it is extremely well thought out, detailed and makes a lot sense. Not that it's the only way to view it but a solid way. |
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Post by rt on Dec 4, 2017 13:38:47 GMT -6
Thought I would add a timeline that I made , note that it is not to scale, the arrows that indicate the time period over which the trumpets and bowls occur is expanded to fit text. In reality I believe that the time frames for the Trumpets and the Bowls are much shorter in duration than indicated on the chart, and closer to the end of the first and second halves of the week respectively. Timeline PDF.pdf (400.05 KB) |
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Post by rt on Dec 4, 2017 13:58:54 GMT -6
here is another Timeline with much more detail, it's harder to read but hopefully you can figure it out, it also ties events to the feasts. I am not saying that this is how it will definitely pan out, just how it might or could. timeline2 PDF.pdf (99.61 KB) |
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Post by neural on Mar 20, 2018 13:31:06 GMT -6
I don't have any questions really, as I agree with your original post. I do believe in a pre-trib rapture. That said, A mid-trib rapture would release a lot of tension regarding today (the 20th), Passover, etc. Not saying it's going to happen, it would just be more convenient for those who are watching.  (I know I know, it's not like God is going to adjust His schedule because the current one is a minor inconvenience to small segment of society. LOL) |
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Post by kittylovesgod on Jun 26, 2018 11:24:59 GMT -6
I await Jesus return! I happened to find your site while I was trying to understand Rev. 12. I have come to believe what you teach, Truthseeker but I dont understand Rev 18:20. Lamps will be burnt out?! I know all Born-Again carry God's Lamps awaiting His return, right? Reading this makes me believe WE must not be here at that time during the Trib? PLEASE answer my questions. Thank you and may God Bless, Protect and Continue to Guide with His Holy Spirit, in Jesus Name I Pray, Amen.🕊🛐
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Post by rt on Jun 28, 2018 7:43:59 GMT -6
I await Jesus return! I happened to find your site while I was trying to understand Rev. 12. I have come to believe what you teach, Truthseeker but I dont understand Rev 18:20. Lamps will be burnt out?! I know all Born-Again carry God's Lamps awaiting His return, right? Reading this makes me believe WE must not be here at that time during the Trib? PLEASE answer my questions. Thank you and may God Bless, Protect and Continue to Guide with His Holy Spirit, in Jesus Name I Pray, Amen.🕊🛐 Hello Kittylovesgod, I am not sure if you were looking to Truthseeker for an answer or to me, Resurrection Torchlight, I am the author of this thread. But I will take a crack at answering your question. I think this is the passage you are wondering about: First of all when you want to understand a verse you have to look at its context. The passage containing this verse is about the destruction of Babylon. This city will be completely destroyed, it will no longer be found (vs 21). It's inhabitants will be eliminated, its commerce will cease. At face value in this context, the idea that a lamp will no longer shine simply means that there will be no one there to turn on a light. The city will be dark without habitation. It is not a reference to the church. The same is true of the bridegroom and bride, it is not a reference to Jesus and His bride, but merely means that there will be no one left to celebrate any weddings. No one getting married. We can also look to similar passages in the Old Testament. The verse in Jeremiah sounds very similar to the one in Revelation. Here in the OT God is declaring what will become of Judah. God instructs the prophet Jeremiah to declare their destruction, because the sons of Judah did evil in His sight. They worshiped foreign gods. They played the harlot. In Jeremiah's time, this prophecy about Judah was fulfilled when Israel was overcome by Babylon and the Temple was destroyed and the people taken captive. The city was left basically uninhabited and in ruin for 70 years. A generation of people died in captivity before they returned to rebuild. Babylon in the end times, much like Judah, will deceive the nations with sorcery. They will do evil in God's sight. God will pronounce judgement against her. (Rev 18: 20-23) That judgement is destruction. All the people who remain there will be destroyed. As I have said previously a city is not just brick and mortar, it is not just the buildings and streets. In God's eyes a city is its people. Which is why we see later: A physical city will not burn forever, buildings and streets don't corrupt anyone, it is the people in the city that are judged, whose smoke rises up forever. Hope this lends to your understanding and answers your question. |
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Post by rt on Jun 28, 2018 21:58:03 GMT -6
Just a little follow up here. It is my opinion that Mystery Babylon is destroyed close to the end of the 70th week. I do believe that at this time the only followers of Jesus that will be left on earth will be the 144,000 chosen from the tribes of Israel who will protected and perhaps any Jews who follow them in belief. The rapture as I have detailed earlier in this thread will have removed the bride of Christ AKA the church before the 70th week ensues. There will however be those who will come to believe in Christ during the first half of the 70th week, these will become the so called tribulation saints who will die as martyrs before the bowls of wrath are poured out. They will be resurrected at the end of the 70th week.
We as believers of Christ are the light of the lampstand.
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Post by venge on Jul 1, 2018 12:21:45 GMT -6
Just wondering if anyone has any questions regarding this thread? I am happy to do my best to answer. when are we getting out of here When are we getting out of here? Christ said in Matthew 24, its right after this: So, when all nations hate us...its close...very close. But, we aren't hated by all nations yet. |
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Post by holy on Dec 22, 2018 7:53:54 GMT -6
Great thread Rt. I just got on board this site yesterda6 so I have not read the entire thread, but I will make two brief comments first and then read some more:
1. I am definitely open to thinking the four horsemen have already ridden and began riding when Christ ascended. I’m not dogmatic about that either, but definitely open.
2. I’m not sure the trumpets are all before the abomination of desolation. For some reason, I have “thought” they feel better in the second half of the week. I guess I always fall back to the first half of the week being a time of peace as Israel rebuilds temple and resumes animal sacrifices. Definitely not dogmatic about that one.
3. My gut (again, not very reliable) does not feel Jerusalem in Mystery Babylon. I read your verses and there is def8nitely some basis for saying that......but my gut just doesn’t think it. Mecca, Rome, or NYC.....? Just don’t have a handle on this one at all. And I’ve read several books, articles, YouTube videos....and still not sure.
Anyhow, I will comment more as I read some more.
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Post by barbiosheepgirl on Dec 22, 2018 10:05:32 GMT -6
welcome holy Don't stay up too late catching up on the contents of the threads! LOL! |
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