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Post by doctormom on Sept 9, 2018 11:19:30 GMT -6
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Post by gkp on Sept 9, 2018 12:28:54 GMT -6
I just now saw your post and thank you for it! About half an hour ago I started a thread of my own about the red heifer. Sorry if this causes confusion.
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Post by venge on Sept 9, 2018 12:56:23 GMT -6
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Post by fitz on Sept 11, 2018 4:39:03 GMT -6
I don't know if that is a prophetic sign. It is not in the Bible a sign we are to look for. But interesting nonetheless. Those with a pre-trib understanding find this to be very prophetically significant. We believe the Jews will re-build the temple and begin the sacrifices again. They have been working toward it diligently for 30 years. This is for the "purification ceremony"...an essential part of the entire sacrifice system.
While it isn't a sign Jesus specifically pointed to, the sacrifice can't be "cut off" at the mid-point of the 7 years unless it's taking place. By extrapolation, this is a sign that these events might be nearing fulfillment.
Numbers 19 outlines the instructions for the red heifer. Since it's institution, I think only 9 red heifers have been used (the ashes of the first one are said to have lasted 1,000 years). Finding a perfect red heifer with no more than 2 non-red hairs it quite difficult, nearly impossible. So yes, this would be fairly significant for prophecy to move forward, IMHO.
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Post by stormyknight on Sept 11, 2018 7:03:14 GMT -6
I don't know if that is a prophetic sign. It is not in the Bible a sign we are to look for. But interesting nonetheless. Those with a pre-trib understanding find this to be very prophetically significant. We believe the Jews will re-build the temple and begin the sacrifices again. They have been working toward it diligently for 30 years. This is for the "purification ceremony"...an essential part of the entire sacrifice system.
While it isn't a sign Jesus specifically pointed to, the sacrifice can't be "cut off" at the mid-point of the 7 years unless it's taking place. By extrapolation, this is a sign that these events might be nearing fulfillment.
Numbers 19 outlines the instructions for the red heifer. Since it's institution, I think only 9 red heifers have been used (the ashes of the first one are said to have lasted 1,000 years). Finding a perfect red heifer with no more than 2 non-red hairs it quite difficult, nearly impossible. So yes, this would be fairly significant for prophecy to move forward, IMHO.
Not only that, but they would have to have been working on this for quite some time, breeding the cattle specifically for this event. After 2000 years, I'd imagine the red color got diluted a few times and would have to be bred back. |
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Post by fitz on Sept 11, 2018 7:51:45 GMT -6
Those with a pre-trib understanding find this to be very prophetically significant. We believe the Jews will re-build the temple and begin the sacrifices again. They have been working toward it diligently for 30 years. This is for the "purification ceremony"...an essential part of the entire sacrifice system.
While it isn't a sign Jesus specifically pointed to, the sacrifice can't be "cut off" at the mid-point of the 7 years unless it's taking place. By extrapolation, this is a sign that these events might be nearing fulfillment.
Numbers 19 outlines the instructions for the red heifer. Since it's institution, I think only 9 red heifers have been used (the ashes of the first one are said to have lasted 1,000 years). Finding a perfect red heifer with no more than 2 non-red hairs it quite difficult, nearly impossible. So yes, this would be fairly significant for prophecy to move forward, IMHO.
Not only that, but they would have to have been working on this for quite some time, breeding the cattle specifically for this event. After 2000 years, I'd imagine the red color got diluted a few times and would have to be bred back. Correct. I've been tracking the progress on the effort to breed a perfect red heifer for at least 15 years. |
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Post by klb on Sept 11, 2018 8:03:53 GMT -6
Listen to what JD Farag has to say about the red heifer representing Christ - so interesting! Starts about the 14 min marker.
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Post by nana on Sept 11, 2018 11:57:11 GMT -6
Listen to what JD Farag has to say about the red heifer representing Christ - so interesting! Starts about the 14 min marker. Yes, that was fascinating. If you haven't watched it you really should.
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Post by venge on Sept 12, 2018 12:07:42 GMT -6
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Post by fitz on Sept 12, 2018 16:41:44 GMT -6
Those with a pre-trib understanding find this to be very prophetically significant. We believe the Jews will re-build the temple and begin the sacrifices again. They have been working toward it diligently for 30 years. This is for the "purification ceremony"...an essential part of the entire sacrifice system.
While it isn't a sign Jesus specifically pointed to, the sacrifice can't be "cut off" at the mid-point of the 7 years unless it's taking place. By extrapolation, this is a sign that these events might be nearing fulfillment.
Numbers 19 outlines the instructions for the red heifer. Since it's institution, I think only 9 red heifers have been used (the ashes of the first one are said to have lasted 1,000 years). Finding a perfect red heifer with no more than 2 non-red hairs it quite difficult, nearly impossible. So yes, this would be fairly significant for prophecy to move forward, IMHO.
As I said: You replied: My case in point. No prophet pointed to it. Some may think it is going to happen, or they want it to happen. I had then stated "it is interesting nonetheless." Let me be a little more clear. The red heifer is required for the temple sacrifices to begin again. That is prophesied, and will happen. So in that sense, this particular red heifer could be another piece of the prophetic puzzle falling in to place. |
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Post by venge on Sept 13, 2018 6:05:17 GMT -6
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Post by Natalie on Sept 13, 2018 7:02:36 GMT -6
"He takes his seat in the temple of God" 2 Thes 2:4
A literal temple that the Jews purify with the ashes of a red heifer.
But of course if that verse is spiritualized then it could mean a number of things and no red heifer is needed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 7:15:27 GMT -6
Let me be a little more clear. The red heifer is required for the temple sacrifices to begin again. That is prophesied, and will happen. So in that sense, this particular red heifer could be another piece of the prophetic puzzle falling in to place. ... Taking one approach and neglecting all others will not do those passages justice. ...
Hm.... I don't see, where fitz neglects all other approaches....? |
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Post by venge on Sept 13, 2018 7:57:43 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Sept 13, 2018 11:31:26 GMT -6
Can't say I disagree with you venge. If we look at the red heifer as a component of what would be needed in a literal/physical 3rd temple, then Fitz is correct and the identifying of a pure breed is a sign of possible fulfillment for a soon to be temple. BUT none of this is explicitly spelled out as we are truly watching and interpreting scripture in certain lights it can be "argued" (as Nat says) the temple as not physical and spiritual therefore a red heifer means absolutely nothing. As I study, read and learn with you and others here I am open to seeing things in other lights. I don't hold to the literal/physical 3rd temple so tightly any longer. Why? If a third temple is built and we see things headed the way we could expect them to, what have I lost? I have heard this theory and believe it to be very plausible but not 100% definite. So I consider other positions to study, like the temple being me and you. What do I lose? Nothing again. If a third temple is built and I am looking at me, you and our brothers here as the temple did we miss anything? Nope. If the temple is US and we are looking at that aspect what did we gain? ALOT |
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