|
|
Post by 745bcmanasseh1776ad on Jun 4, 2017 13:39:52 GMT -6
745bcmanasseh1776ad,
Just have one simple question for you....
If you were to die today and stand before God... and he was to say to you...
Why should I let you into my heaven....?
What would you say? He would not ask me. He would look to His Son. How about you? Are you implying that we should boast? There are presently more than one million people who have experienced near death after life episodes. Many of them report seeing Jesus, who, in some illusory way, directs them back to earth, sometimes after giving them new direction for life, sometimes after commending them for their service, and directing them back to continue it. Consistently, those who experience this, tell of the overwhelming love that is present there, even if they only experience it standing at the doorway. Those whom I make righteous, those same will live by FAITH. Habakkuk 2:4 Because of the FAITH of Christ Jesus, we have salvation. Romans 3:22 Charie and Ed |
|
|
|
Post by 745bcmanasseh1776ad on Jun 4, 2017 14:12:46 GMT -6
This 9/23/17 thread is a sticky only for sharing Scriptures that may point to or directly connect with the astronomical sign described in Revelation 12:1-2, 5. It is also for sharing current events that connect with or point to the sign. In Christ, Gary Dear Sir:  As stated in one of my above posts, it is not necessary to know the location of the Sons of Joseph, or of the other 8 tribes. It is necessary to accept their presence at the time of the transition of power from daemonic rule, to total Israelite dominance of this earth. This, as stated earlier, is an overwhelming theme of the Israelite literature. Obviously, the case with Joseph, the stellar bodies, Sun, Moon, Stars, are directly given to him, an established statute. Therefore, the related promises and prophesies I have stated. The Sign is ALL JOSEPH's I had hoped more would actually inquire about the critical statements I make related to the sign. As is so often the case, more concern is applied to doctrines, (especially those of salvation), rather than to faith that is built from understanding the prophetic stream. If you have read me clearly, then you know I make short work of doctrinal issues. Thank you for obeying your High Calling. More to come Charie and Ed |
|
|
|
Post by whatif on Jun 4, 2017 14:49:45 GMT -6
Salvation is the very heart of why we study Bible prophecy, 745bcmanasseh1776ad. Our desire is to shine Jesus' light out into the world so people can come to salvation. As we study His prophetic word, we understand His return is very near, and it inspires us to reach out all the more to the lost so they might be saved.
|
|
|
|
Post by watchmanjim on Jun 4, 2017 20:35:19 GMT -6
Salvation from sin is more important than any of the rest of this. But there is a whole section of the board devoted to discussing it.
|
|
|
|
Post by brad on Jun 5, 2017 3:26:28 GMT -6
He would not ask me. He would look to His Son. How about you? Are you implying that we should boast? That we should boast? Absolutely no! Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, Eph 2:9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. But maybe the answer should be " by nothing I have done, but by what you have done"... on the cross almost 2000 years ago! Our own works are "filthy rags" according to the Word, and any good works we have came from him! He gets the credit and the glory... not us. If we even have faith, it came from him... there is nothing to boast of... |
|
|
|
Post by watchmanjim on Jun 15, 2017 20:02:05 GMT -6
Adam condenses it to 5 minutes:
|
|
|
|
Post by rt on Jun 27, 2017 17:22:18 GMT -6
Well this thread has taken some interesting twists and turns, and I am going to add another. So this great sign according to John in Revelation 12 appears in the heavens. My question is this, if these signs are related to constellations, then what about the sign of the seven headed dragon waiting to devour the child? Shouldn't that also be represented in a constellation? I found this interesting, though I cannot attest to its accuracy, those of you who know more about the stars can chime in www.fivedoves.com/ac/kevinh1212.htmI do not agree about Obama, but who can say for certain?  |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 17:30:17 GMT -6
rt
Sam, on this forum did this and I think is the best it's out there. It is figured the same way that the woman is. It is located in right where it supposed to be. And all the parts that make it up match with the scriptures say.
He has also done one on '2300 mornings and evenings' which is fantastic that he just finished.
|
|
|
|
Post by rt on Jun 27, 2017 21:34:40 GMT -6
Thanks truthseeker. But I wonder then if these signs that John sees are constellations then what about the rest of it? For instance the woman flees to the wilderness for 3 1/2 years, how does that relate to a constellation? Does Virgo go into hiding for a time, times and half a time? Does Jupiter, who is said to represent Christ get caught up to the throne in heaven? John sees these events take place as part of the sign that appears in heaven.
It seems that there is a lot of hypothesizing going on in the video link, what I mean is that the author is working hard to make the constellations fit the image John sees regarding the dragon. I'm not trying to cast doubt, I am just trying to understand things correctly. The sign of the woman seems so obvious, yet the dragon is a stretch in my opinion. Shouldn't it be as obvious? Or perhaps the sign of the dragon will appear more suddenly? Or later???
Are we reading too much into the images John sees? The main point is what he sees happening with these signs, not what exactly what makes up the signs. I guess my point is we need to understand what the signs represent. I do agree that the woman giving birth to the male child represents the catching up of Jesus (the Head) and the church (His body). Even if the match in the constellation Virgo this September is related to the sign John sees, we have no way of knowing how the timing of things may pan out. The rapture could still be weeks, months or even years away. We have no way of knowing how far in advance these heavenly signs appear before the prophecies themselves are fulfilled. I am concerned that people are putting way too much emphasis on the idea that the rapture will happen this fall. I know that folks here have been careful to say that they are only speculating and that there is no guarantee. Who can say for certain.
My fear is that people reading these posts are not so cautious, that they really believe it will happen. Trust me, I want it as much as anyone, I just want to reiterate that these ideas are not a surety, that this sign in the night sky in September may not signify the rapture at all. Could it??? Perhaps it may, but our faith should not rest on it, our faith rests in Christ, whenever He comes, be it today, next week, this fall, or a hundred years from now long after I have died.
I say this for those who may be reading. It is exciting to think about for sure, but I would be very sad to learn that someone's faith was derailed or that we have only served to add fuel for the naysayers to mock believers all the more.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 21:54:20 GMT -6
Hi rt, great questions! I believe the actual sign ends after verse 5, because how could the constellation Virgo flee? The actual signs are described in verses 1-5, after that is a story, in my view. The sign of the dragon (potential) is interesting not because it is so unique, but more because of the timing coincident with the "birth" of Zedek from Virgo, and which is only present for a few days. The 2 signs together seem to confirm a special time that God is conveying through John. Furthermore, the significance of the signs should correlate with day counts mentioned in Daniel, and they do..... we have to see if a covenant is reached to divide the Land, that will be the clincher! Great question!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 22:02:54 GMT -6
I meant to mention rt that I am not focused on the rapture, and mention only in passing in my teaching, but instead am focused on the real world event of the covenant that marks the onset of Daniel's 70th week!
Shalom!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 5:40:15 GMT -6
Rt,
From my viewpoint, stories that we see in the book of Revelation are about judgment going on. One has to really ask theirself "is God still going to judge me? I thought when I accept Christ, I have peace with God?". If you understand what actually took place when you accepted Christ as your Savior, then you will see Revelation not to you/us. We will follow the lamb anywhere! He's in control of everything! Regardless of timing and regardless of circumstance.
I believe John was chosen to write this book because he understood Jesus as divine and he loved him very much. John obviously had a very good heart. God must've used him to reveal the book, to the Jews, as it would lend credence and John was Jewish and would understand all of this.
But I have to remember that there are Jewish 'believers'. And they understand this imagery probably even better than we do. We are not listening fully to or reading their books, because as most of them do not tend to have a rapture thought process - because many of them lump theirselves still into the Jewish program(refusing to divorce theirselves of that thought process because they've so much heritage steeped into them) considering theirselves blessed if they make it all the way to the end of the tribulation - and not 'Christian' which is no longer Jew nor Greek. Oh how I wish I could find a Jewish born person who understood how to walk as neither Jew nor Greek.... Oh, wait! That would be Paul!!!!
The revelation 12 sign to me only shows that the Jewish program is truly picking back up. All the imagery, all the number references, all the feasts....landing on coincidental days, and then added to all the things going in the world, especially Jerusalem being divided. They just tell me that the time iof the tribulation looks to be extremely right around the corner and to be on the lookout for the signing of an agreement. People need to be reading their Bible more than ever so that they will know the truth of the Scriptures versus the propaganda that we will be hearing. The timing of all of it coming together means that the tribulation is very close , so it is definitely that the time of the church age will be over upon its beginning.
So WHEN the rapture happens, really doesn't make any difference to me. I will continue to walk forward because I know that I know that I am a follower of Jesus. My life is in his hands and whatever he chooses I'm OK with. But people tend to ask much about the rapture these days and so I look at those things to help me develop my pic if I had to choose. And from the evidence presented to me, at this time, and what I feel God has put in my heart tells me I lean toward pre-trib. So between the signs and my understanding I'm thinking things are pretty close.
Each one of us has to come to that moment of whether we will follow him wherever that leads. The signs just really remind us to make sure that we have that decision solid. And only believers current and fixing to be, will get that.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 6:24:47 GMT -6
For instance... Sam and I are both believers, but we don't view the most likely rapture, the same. But as he said, we're probably going to fall into line together the closer it gets....and we'll 'hi-5" each other on the way up. I like Sam's information even though we don't agree on the rapture timing... because it is apart from rapture 'belief' it is what the celestial signs are doing....alone.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 7:02:43 GMT -6
The Dragon being a constellation is hard for me; it says it appeared in the heavens. Since all the visible planets except Saturn are in the woman, I think the Dragon is supernatural.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 7:04:46 GMT -6
I'd like to add or correct something in case it is misconstrued. The church age may be over at some point.. but that salvation will always be available for those who call upon the name of the Lord.
|
|
