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Post by whatif on Aug 6, 2017 1:14:11 GMT -6
I have also wondered if some of the animal species we find in the fossil record were also corrupted, and so intentionally eradicated by God. T-Rex comes to mind--a very ugly and dangerous creature and its front legs seem useless. I do believe that behemoth (sauropod dinosaurs) and certain other dinos were created by God, but wonder if some of the meat-eaters were hideous perversions. I have been thinking the exact same thing, watchmanjim! My husband and I were discussing that possibility just a couple weeks ago or so! He's going to be astounded to know you've been considering that too!
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Post by tiffanybw on Aug 6, 2017 12:25:40 GMT -6
There are a few theories of how the giants came to be once again on earth after the Flood of Noah's day, one of course concerning the wives of Noah's sons. I sort of suspect, though, that there was simply a second time when a new bunch of fallen angels tried to do the same thing as before the Flood. I'm speculating, of course, but I wonder if that is why Lucifer was not mentioned in the Book of Enoch. At least, I think I've heard he wasn't mentioned among the fallen ones in the book of Enoch. Maybe more than one fall of angels has taken place in time. It seems to me that if the Lord wanted to preserve humanity by saving Noah and his sons from the Flood, He would have preserved some pure women for them to repopulate the Earth together. I'd hate to be wondering if I had some Nephilim genes in my family lineage... I have a pet theory that there were 'factions' among the fallen angels, rivalry for the worship of the 'lesser beings'. We see examples of this in the Greek mythological gods. Their attitudes, behaviors, et c. I also have a pet theory that pre-flood, the technology level rivaled that of what we have now! So gene-splicing would definitely have been a possibility. Ever wonder why there was a prohibition against bestiality in the Scriptures? Remember those half-man-half beast 'titans'? We know a few of the halmarks of Nephilim DNA, because they are described in the Old Testament: 8+ feet tall in height, more than 5 fingers/toes per hand/foot. Not to say that now-a-days those who bear these DNA markers are or would intentionally fall to the 'bad' side, I would certainly hope they could be redeemed too! There is no need to corrupt the human DNA for purposes of preventing a 'Christ' anymore! I've thought the same things. Also about the technology back then rivaling what we have now. Pre-flood I think most likely the technology they had was even better than that we have today. Presently, I believe we are now getting to that point that crosses the line of God's Tolerance. Scientists are actually trying to create life, manipulate life, combine the DNA of all different types of things, trying to clone from DNA that has been found of people/animals long since passed away. I've even heard stories (not to say that they are true) that the elites of the world look for, and have the DNA of Nimrod and are trying to clone him to "bring him back" into existence. Basically, it is humanity trying to be God, and God will certainly soon be putting a stop to it. I know all of this type of thing has no bearing on our salvation, but it's so interesting to think and wonder about. And I do believe it will have something to do with what will be the mark of the beast. Unfortunately most will be deceived. Think of how the long lines form when a new iPhone or gaming system is being released. I think it will be like that with people lining up for miles wanting to get this "upgrade" to themselves to make them immune to sickness, prevent aging, prolong life or even possible immortality, be able calculate things like computers do for us now except they will need no computer. Possibly also "connect in to a network" all that have the mark of the beast so that they all will have "access" to each other's... well... everything. Probably will have "settings" within themselves to where they can pick and choose what they put out there about themselves for other people to know, like Facebook except it is a part of the person. They will be told it is their option to choose what to share, in truth though the one world system will have complete access, will even be able to "program" the people to do whatever they want them to do right into their brain and so people with the mark will not have a choice. They won't even be individual's capable of making their own decisions. They will be nothing more than drones, slaves. Here is a website that I think is the beginnings of it: id2020.orgAnother thing I've also thought in that is kind of related to the half man/half beast types of creatures... What about the dinosaurs? There have been fossils found and I believe the definitely existed, just not exactly why/how man and science say they did. I've wondered if they also were some type of animal/beast never specifically "created" by God, but existed due to all of the forbidden things the fallen ones did. I think that animals were corrupted to, and God sent 2 of each of the pure animals that were left on the earth, sent them to Noah to be preserved. If there are people alive today having the markers like you said above, having some sort of the fallen one DNA still in them; I think that it's been so far "watered down" (don't know how to say), that it is not applicable. They are "human" and corrupt just like the rest of us. They were there before Jesus died on the cross and Jesus sacrifice applied to them just as much as any other human being. Because like Whatif said, otherwise I'd be scared to death worrying if there was some type of nephilim DNA in me, something I just don't know and don't have any control over. When Jesus died His Sacrifice pertained to all of us. God has given us free will to choose our eternal fate and who we will follow. And as for me, I choose Jesus! Because of Him anything in me that is "corrupt" is made perfect and incorrupt by His DNA. I am His Child and in His Image! Forgiven not of anything of or about me, only that which is of and about Him. All Him, and without Him we would all be doomed, fated to spend eternity with Satan and completely separated from God; which is a very scary thought.
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Post by tiffanybw on Aug 6, 2017 12:28:28 GMT -6
I have also wondered if some of the animal species we find in the fossil record were also corrupted, and so intentionally eradicated by God. T-Rex comes to mind--a very ugly and dangerous creature and its front legs seem useless. I do believe that behemoth (sauropod dinosaurs) and certain other dinos were created by God, but wonder if some of the meat-eaters were hideous perversions. Exactly what I was thinking and just posted about! It is definitely possible that some of the dinosaurs were created by God. I hadn't thought of that.
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 6, 2017 12:29:32 GMT -6
I read an incredibly interesting fiction book once that was like that. I'm trying to remember what it was called now. I think it was called "A star strangely singing"
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 6, 2017 12:31:03 GMT -6
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Post by tiffanybw on Aug 6, 2017 12:41:07 GMT -6
I'll have to go get that for my Kindle (hopefully, if available). Leaving for the beach August 19 and that will make for good beach reading! Thank you! Edit: I just got it. Even better it was free for Kindle ($12.99 for the paperback).
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Post by watchmanjim on Aug 6, 2017 12:45:33 GMT -6
I won't spoil anything in it, but it is a good Christian speculative fiction book with a great message. I loved it. Beloved would really like it, too, I think!
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Post by tiffanybw on Aug 6, 2017 13:03:29 GMT -6
I won't spoil anything in it, but it is a good Christian speculative fiction book with a great message. I loved it. Beloved would really like it, too, I think! Looks as it is part 1 of a trilogy. I'm pretty sure I'll like it so after I finish, on to the next one! I love to read and going to be at the beach for 2 weeks. Looking forward to it so much and just so happens we will be there during the eclipse, in SC. There is a website you can type your address or zip code in and it will tell you and give you a simulation of what you will see for the eclipse. We live in MD so wouldn't have seen it in as much totality. Since we will be in SC though, we are right outside the path and the website says will see it at 90%.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 13:30:28 GMT -6
I won't spoil anything in it, but it is a good Christian speculative fiction book with a great message. I loved it. Beloved would really like it, too, I think! And Beloved shall read it! I can't believe I missed out on this thread! The name really turned me off, and when I finally read it it's one of the best threads I've seen in a long time! I've thought that the Mark was a genetic thing too. Can I chime in with this? We've talked about how the Mark would genetically change someone, but not really about the spiritual effects. Here's what I think could happen: 1. The Image of God is taken away, and replaced with the Image of satan (Can't even bring myself to capitalize that awful thing's name). Morality, love, kindness, and all goodness; all of it taken away, replaced with horror and abominations. I don't think that humans are always evil like Calvinists: we can do good for the sake of good, because we are in the image of God, though it is darkened and corrupted. When the image of God is replaced with the image of the beast, everything good, honorable, and God-like thing about us is instantly changed to be like Satan. They would become the children of Satan, and everything good becomes evil and evil becomes good. They will become beings void of anything good. Stop, and meditate on that. Humans who never do good; only evil. A world where abuse, immorality, and evil are rampant. No wonder God puts in place such severe judgements! 2. Or, even more frightening, a desecration (anti-sanctification) process would occur. Humans becoming more and more evil until good disappears. Imagine the contrast between the sealed and the marked! 3. They become an anti-Church: the Diastrekklésia (a combination of the word diastrephó, to distort, pervert or corrupt, and ekklésia, the church). A group of people united against God; what a terrifying prospect!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 13:31:00 GMT -6
The Greek would be διαστρέκκλησία, I suppose.
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Post by whatif on Aug 6, 2017 14:49:25 GMT -6
Excellent post, Beloved! Yes, that is a frightening thought!
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Post by tiffanybw on Aug 6, 2017 16:34:11 GMT -6
I won't spoil anything in it, but it is a good Christian speculative fiction book with a great message. I loved it. Beloved would really like it, too, I think! And Beloved shall read it! I can't believe I missed out on this thread! The name really turned me off, and when I finally read it it's one of the best threads I've seen in a long time! I've thought that the Mark was a genetic thing too. Can I chime in with this? We've talked about how the Mark would genetically change someone, but not really about the spiritual effects. Here's what I think could happen: 1. The Image of God is taken away, and replaced with the Image of satan (Can't even bring myself to capitalize that awful thing's name). Morality, love, kindness, and all goodness; all of it taken away, replaced with horror and abominations. I don't think that humans are always evil like Calvinists: we can do good for the sake of good, because we are in the image of God, though it is darkened and corrupted. When the image of God is replaced with the image of the beast, everything good, honorable, and God-like thing about us is instantly changed to be like Satan. They would become the children of Satan, and everything good becomes evil and evil becomes good. They will become beings void of anything good. Stop, and meditate on that. Humans who never do good; only evil. A world where abuse, immorality, and evil are rampant. No wonder God puts in place such severe judgements! 2. Or, even more frightening, a desecration (anti-sanctification) process would occur. Humans becoming more and more evil until good disappears. Imagine the contrast between the sealed and the marked! 3. They become an anti-Church: the Diastrekklésia (a combination of the word diastrephó, to distort, pervert or corrupt, and ekklésia, the church). A group of people united against God; what a terrifying prospect! Wow! I think all 3 are very possible, more than likely even. Because once they receive the mark (DNA of Satan will be in it; definitely a component of it, and instead of "image of God" they will be "image of Satan" aka "image of the beast". They will be separated... permanently and eternally... from anything that is OF GOD. This includes everything you said: love, kindness, compassion; just think of all that is inherently "good" about people). Kind of like atheists say how it is not God, and that every person is born with an innate knowledge of "right" and "wrong". Even a 9 month old baby knows when Mom has told him no, that he is not to do whatever it is she has said no to, but the sinful nature in that baby; just that the baby will know he is not to do "that" and so right away it becomes very important for the baby TO DO "that" and he/she will try and do behind Mom's back or will see Mom watching but will try to do "that" knowing they are not supposed to... seeing how far they can get before Mom stops him/her. We are definitely fallen and corrupted. But we also were originally made perfectly in God's Image. This is why we are not like animals and naturally "know", for example: that murder is wrong, that stealing is wrong, that we shouldn't run about screaming at others or hurting people, that the act of procreation (sex) is not just some robotic thing that has been programmed into us to do with each and every person of the opposite sex we come across but that it means more and is a very special and intimate thing. List goes on and on and all of these things are inherent in both saved and unsaved people. We know what we should or should not be doing and if it is good or if it is wrong. We do not need to be "taught" these things. Of course, it's already started, the mixing up of and calling good, evil; and evil, good. Those who take the mark, certain changes will most likely happen immediately. Others though will take longer. As the DNA replicates, multiplies, takes over more and more of the "human" and they will become more and more... Satan. And of course, the one world religion, it won't be Catholicism, Islam, Hindu, Buddhism, etc... It will be satanism, worship of satan whom they are now completely "in the image of" and they ARE "the image of". What comes to my mind immediately is what I have read in Revelation (I didn't just know this off the top of my head, I wish), but here it is: Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?Revelation 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.Ugh! I have to go down for dinner, lol! I'll be back!
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Post by tiffanybw on Aug 16, 2017 10:26:26 GMT -6
I don't know how to link so that the video can actually appear here to be watched, but I saw this the other day and think that it is relevant to the discussion in this thread; about DNA, how it is possible our DNA changes when we are spiritually born again in Christ and someday we will be physically changed also. Also about how the mark of the beast will have something to do with Satan's DNA, will literally change a person from human and made in the image of God... to not human, image of the beast, image of satan.
Here it is (worth watching):
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Post by tiffanybw on Aug 16, 2017 11:44:59 GMT -6
Sorry to post again all in a row. But in rereading this thread just now, I want to correct myself on something I said. More than once I said it, and I feel led by The Holy Spirit that it is an important thing.
That thing is:
God Seals. He doesn't "mark". He Seals.
Definition of seal:
a : something that confirms, ratifies, or makes secure : guarantee, assurance b (1) : a device with a cut or raised emblem, symbol, or word used especially to certify a signature or authenticate a document (2) : a medallion or ring face bearing such a device incised so that it can be impressed on wax or moist clay; also : a piece of wax or a wafer bearing such an impression c : an impression, device, or mark given the effect of a common-law seal by statute law or by American local custom recognized by judicial decision d : a usually ornamental adhesive stamp that may be used to close a letter or package; especially : one given in a fund-raising campaign 2 a : something that secures (such as a wax seal on a document) b : a closure that must be broken to be opened and that thus reveals tampering c (1) : a tight and perfect closure (as against the passage of gas or water) (2) : a device to prevent the passage or return of gas or air into a pipe or container 3 : a seal that is a symbol or mark of office
a : to confirm or make secure by or as if by a seal seal the deal b : to solemnize (something, such as a marriage) for eternity by a Mormon rite 2 a : to set or affix an authenticating seal to; also : authenticate, ratify b : to mark with a stamp or seal usually as an evidence of standard exactness, legal size, weight, or capacity, or merchantable quality 3 a : to fasten with or as if with a seal to prevent tampering b : to close or make secure against access, leakage, or passage by a fastening or coating c : to fix in position or close breaks in with a filling (as of plaster) 4 : to determine irrevocably or indisputably that answer sealed our fate
Satan marks. As in "for destruction".
Definition of mark: : a boundary land 2 a (1) : a conspicuous object serving as a guide for travelers (2) : something (such as a line, notch, or fixed object) designed to record position b : one of the bits of leather or colored bunting placed on a sounding line at intervals c : target d : the starting line or position in a track event e (1) : goal, object (2) : an object of attack, ridicule, or abuse; specifically : a victim or prospective victim of a swindle (3) : the point under discussion (4) : condition of being correct or accurate her observations are on the mark f : a standard of performance, quality, or condition : norm not feeling up to the mark lately 3 a (1) : sign, indication a mark of his esteem (2) : an impression (such as a scratch, scar, or stain) made on something (3) : a distinguishing trait or quality : characteristic the marks of an educated person b : a symbol used for identification or indication of ownership c : a cross made in place of a signature d (1) : trademark (2) capitalized —used with a numeral to designate a particular model of a product Mark II e : a written or printed symbol (such as a comma or colon) f : postmark g : a symbol used to represent a teacher's estimate of a student's work or conduct; especially : grade h : a figure registering a point or level reached or achieved the halfway mark in the game; especially : record 4 a : attention, notice nothing worthy of mark b : importance, distinction a person of mark c : a lasting or strong impression d : an assessment of merits : rating high marks for honesty
a (1) : to fix or trace out the bounds or limits of (2) : to plot the course of : chart b : to set apart by or as if by a line or boundary —usually used with off 2 a (1) : to designate as if by a mark (2) : to make or leave a mark on (3) : to furnish with natural marks wings marked with white (4) : to label so as to indicate price or quality (5) : to make notations in or on b (1) : to make note of in writing : jot marking the date in his journal (2) : to indicate by a mark or symbol mark an accent (3) : register, record (4) : to determine the value of by means of marks or symbols : grade mark term papers c (1) : characterize, distinguish the flamboyance that marks her style (2) : signalize this year marks our 50th anniversary 3 : to take notice of : observe mark my words 4 : to pick up (one's golf ball) from a putting green and substitute a marker intransitive verb : to take careful notice
There is a HUGE difference between "seal" and "mark".
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Post by kjs on Aug 16, 2017 12:08:22 GMT -6
I'll have to go get that for my Kindle (hopefully, if available). Leaving for the beach August 19 and that will make for good beach reading! Thank you! Edit: I just got it. Even better it was free for Kindle ($12.99 for the paperback). Just started book two of this series yesterday -- book one was ok (but a bit slow to me) bought all three books together -- so will be competing the series at some point.....
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